The war on terror?
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37g joe
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for those who are not aware of what the hadith is. Islam does not have just one text the quran they have two texts the quran and hadith. The quran is sapose to be the revleation of allah. The hadith is a collection of several different text that are words from muhamad himself. Now their are a few text that are not seen as true hadith and not accepted by all muslims but the hadith in whole is accpted by every muslim and every sect of islam. Ishaq is apart of the univarsly accepted hadith. that is why I asked if he follows the hadith
akbuuur
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i just said its a sunni hadith and stated that im shia. does that make sence to you? or should i say it in lament terms and not all hadiths are words of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) himself. Some hadiths are also written by some of the Imams.
the question is do you follow the hadith yes or no?
To put it in simplistic terms, "No".
obviously stating that i know nothing of the book in which this hadith is, is not simple enough of an answer.
the question is do you follow the hadith yes or no?
To put it in simplistic terms, "No".
obviously stating that i know nothing of the book in which this hadith is, is not simple enough of an answer.
hatessushi
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People are so gulible. A person can write a book, post something on the internet, watch a news program or read a newpaper and imediately believe it because "the book said so", "I read it on the internet", so all a sudden it must be true or the facts. There is so much misinformation everywhere you look it is no wonder the world is in the condition it is. It all begins with the media who's job is to report the facts not make judgments. Their job is to use their resources and report only the facts. The only facts I see anymore is the weather report (yet the predictions rarely ever happen) and the sports reports. The main news reports are all about he said she said, and people manipulating it. It is a sad state the world is in and only the media can pull us out of it but I don't see that happening any time soon.
Instead of blaming Bush for everything bad happening from terrorist acts to huricanes each of us should be looking at ourselves and how we feed into this mass media machine and how we buy into it all.
Jeez....I could make one hell of a Science fiction story about the future based on the world today..Oh, but that was already started a long time ago.
By the way if you were to lose your car or house or anything that's insured, and the loss was due to and act of God (volcano, hurricane, flood, tornado, earthquake etc.), a terrorist act, or war then the insurance company won't pay. hmmm maybe all of it was a setup after all.
Instead of blaming Bush for everything bad happening from terrorist acts to huricanes each of us should be looking at ourselves and how we feed into this mass media machine and how we buy into it all.
Jeez....I could make one hell of a Science fiction story about the future based on the world today..Oh, but that was already started a long time ago.
By the way if you were to lose your car or house or anything that's insured, and the loss was due to and act of God (volcano, hurricane, flood, tornado, earthquake etc.), a terrorist act, or war then the insurance company won't pay. hmmm maybe all of it was a setup after all.
petieaztec
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not trying to be a smartie but i thought we weren't allowd to talk about policics? just wondering? let me know. :notsure:
37g joe
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since you deny the use of ishaq by the larger islamic comunity i well just stick to quranic verces.
Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”
Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
Qur’an:8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Qur’an:4:77 “Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?”
Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”
Qur’an:3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”
Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”
Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
Qur’an:8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Qur’an:4:77 “Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?”
Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”
Qur’an:3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”
phixer
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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
the question is do you follow the hadith yes or no?
:hilarious Akbuuur you tap dance better than Gregory Hines. Wouldnt a straight answer be easier? Looking back through this thread you have managed to dodge each each question and distort the facts even more.
the question is do you follow the hadith yes or no?
:hilarious Akbuuur you tap dance better than Gregory Hines. Wouldnt a straight answer be easier? Looking back through this thread you have managed to dodge each each question and distort the facts even more.
ryanhayes9
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my dad said he read in the paper yesterday that bush told someone over who is against srail to stop making weapons of mass destruction. he responded by saying on august 22 you will haver ur answer. 8-22 is some big day in the muslim religion. if they do nuke israil which i think god will NEVER let happen i truley do think that we should unload all our nukes on them and end it all there. war is never good and really doesint solve anything.
phixer
Active Member
Originally Posted by akbuuur
Its easy not opening your eyes to see whats going on.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in712548.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa.htm
As for you 37gJoe yes I know Ishaq was a prophet but the bottom line is its not in the qur'an the book you sited is a sunni book that I have nothing to do with as I am shia. All those pictures you put up are of extremists that the US helped bring about most of them probably come from Saudi Arabia go look up wahabi(i think thats how you spell it). They are comparable to the evangelicals of christianity and I have nothing to do with them.
How about abortion clinic bombings?
I like my 7-up thank you very much.
:hilarious You tap dance better than Gregory Hines. Abortion clinic bombings?
How about thou shall not kill. Is that strong enough condemnation... Nice try.
See direct question = direct answer ... Now you try.
So why havent the leaders of Islam condemed the acts of terrorism against the US?
It's hard to see Islam as a peaceful religion when you cant even get an answer to such a simple question. :notsure:
Its easy not opening your eyes to see whats going on.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in712548.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islfatwa.htm
As for you 37gJoe yes I know Ishaq was a prophet but the bottom line is its not in the qur'an the book you sited is a sunni book that I have nothing to do with as I am shia. All those pictures you put up are of extremists that the US helped bring about most of them probably come from Saudi Arabia go look up wahabi(i think thats how you spell it). They are comparable to the evangelicals of christianity and I have nothing to do with them.
How about abortion clinic bombings?
I like my 7-up thank you very much.
:hilarious You tap dance better than Gregory Hines. Abortion clinic bombings?
How about thou shall not kill. Is that strong enough condemnation... Nice try.
See direct question = direct answer ... Now you try.
So why havent the leaders of Islam condemed the acts of terrorism against the US?
It's hard to see Islam as a peaceful religion when you cant even get an answer to such a simple question. :notsure:
37g joe
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you say the book is a sunni book well im sorry but 85 % of muslims are sunni so in your own admission this book is accepted by the majority of muslims. its 15 % that dont folow it. here is sorces on demographics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Islam
dogstar
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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
I have taken class on islam
Joe, just wondering where, what school, ect.
You may feel that a class and some researching might make you an expert on what someone from any other religon may feel and believe about THEIR religon, OK. Thats what you think, But would you agree that someone that faithfully practices and beleives another religon could get a TRUE understanding of a faithfull Christain's beleifs and understanding of Christ from just a reading of the Bible and a class and some research that may or may not have a bias to begin with......How can you tell onther person how or what their religon truely should mean to them if you dont practice it yourself, and even if you did, still would not the individual beleive what is true from their own feeling from their own heart or soul....???
How do you think that anyone could have a true understanding of anyones religon unless they honestly beleive in it themselfs ?. Is that not what makes a religon ? what the individual beleives is true.....All religons would feel that any other one would be wrong. How could two opposing doctrine both be right...They both beleive their right. yes. Can they both be right, no............can they both be wrong......yes.
I have taken class on islam
Joe, just wondering where, what school, ect.
You may feel that a class and some researching might make you an expert on what someone from any other religon may feel and believe about THEIR religon, OK. Thats what you think, But would you agree that someone that faithfully practices and beleives another religon could get a TRUE understanding of a faithfull Christain's beleifs and understanding of Christ from just a reading of the Bible and a class and some research that may or may not have a bias to begin with......How can you tell onther person how or what their religon truely should mean to them if you dont practice it yourself, and even if you did, still would not the individual beleive what is true from their own feeling from their own heart or soul....???
How do you think that anyone could have a true understanding of anyones religon unless they honestly beleive in it themselfs ?. Is that not what makes a religon ? what the individual beleives is true.....All religons would feel that any other one would be wrong. How could two opposing doctrine both be right...They both beleive their right. yes. Can they both be right, no............can they both be wrong......yes.
dogstar
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Originally Posted by petieaztec
not trying to be a smartie but i thought we weren't allowd to talk about policics? just wondering? let me know. :notsure:
Not sure myself, used to be alot of these kinds of threads and even the mods would post in them and then something happened and they sort of when away, maybe the site cleaned house or something because the threads would often go for a while as this one is but someone would get nasty or just too mean in their responces or one person could not exept the fact that he/she is only one person and others have their rights to be treated with respect and so they would get locked....I dont think theres any set rule as to what can be talked about in the Aquarium forum, it just has to stay civilized...JMO, IDK.
not trying to be a smartie but i thought we weren't allowd to talk about policics? just wondering? let me know. :notsure:
Not sure myself, used to be alot of these kinds of threads and even the mods would post in them and then something happened and they sort of when away, maybe the site cleaned house or something because the threads would often go for a while as this one is but someone would get nasty or just too mean in their responces or one person could not exept the fact that he/she is only one person and others have their rights to be treated with respect and so they would get locked....I dont think theres any set rule as to what can be talked about in the Aquarium forum, it just has to stay civilized...JMO, IDK.
phixer
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Originally Posted by Dogstar
Joe, just wondering where, what school, ect.
You may feel that a class and some researching might make you an expert on what someone from any other religon may feel and believe about THEIR religon, OK. Thats what you think, But would you agree that someone that faithfully practices and beleives another religon could get a TRUE understanding of a faithfull Christain's beleifs and understanding of Christ from just a reading of the Bible and a class and some research that may or may not have a bias to begin with......How can you tell onther person how or what their religon truely should mean to them if you dont practice it yourself, and even if you did, still would not the individual beleive what is true from their own feeling from their own heart or soul....???
How do you think that anyone could have a true understanding of anyones religon unless they honestly beleive in it themselfs ?. Is that not what makes a religon ? what the individual beleives is true.....All religons would feel that any other one would be wrong. How could two opposing doctrine both be right...They both beleive their right. yes. Can they both be right, no............can they both be wrong......yes.
True because religion is based on faith.
Joe, just wondering where, what school, ect.
You may feel that a class and some researching might make you an expert on what someone from any other religon may feel and believe about THEIR religon, OK. Thats what you think, But would you agree that someone that faithfully practices and beleives another religon could get a TRUE understanding of a faithfull Christain's beleifs and understanding of Christ from just a reading of the Bible and a class and some research that may or may not have a bias to begin with......How can you tell onther person how or what their religon truely should mean to them if you dont practice it yourself, and even if you did, still would not the individual beleive what is true from their own feeling from their own heart or soul....???
How do you think that anyone could have a true understanding of anyones religon unless they honestly beleive in it themselfs ?. Is that not what makes a religon ? what the individual beleives is true.....All religons would feel that any other one would be wrong. How could two opposing doctrine both be right...They both beleive their right. yes. Can they both be right, no............can they both be wrong......yes.
True because religion is based on faith.
37g joe
Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
Joe, just wondering where, what school, ect.
You may feel that a class and some researching might make you an expert on what someone from any other religon may feel and believe about THEIR religon, OK. Thats what you think, But would you agree that someone that faithfully practices and beleives another religon could get a TRUE understanding of a faithfull Christain's beleifs and understanding of Christ from just a reading of the Bible and a class and some research that may or may not have a bias to begin with......How can you tell onther person how or what their religon truely should mean to them if you dont practice it yourself, and even if you did, still would not the individual beleive what is true from their own feeling from their own heart or soul....???
How do you think that anyone could have a true understanding of anyones religon unless they honestly beleive in it themselfs ?. Is that not what makes a religon ? what the individual beleives is true.....All religons would feel that any other one would be wrong. How could two opposing doctrine both be right...They both beleive their right. yes. Can they both be right, no............can they both be wrong......yes.
I realise that these sites are read by many people. Which could include islamic extreemist who have in the past hunted down people they wanted to silence. since I have picturs of me on here and have enough information that if I did put my college down it would not be hard to find me. For the saftey of my family I well not put down the name of my college. what I well tell you is that It is a small christian private college that you probaly never heard of. I went their for almost two years but left college to get married to my beutiful wife planned on going back to school to finish my degree. But a few monthes after geting married we found out that we had a little one on the way who is now two years old.
Joe, just wondering where, what school, ect.
You may feel that a class and some researching might make you an expert on what someone from any other religon may feel and believe about THEIR religon, OK. Thats what you think, But would you agree that someone that faithfully practices and beleives another religon could get a TRUE understanding of a faithfull Christain's beleifs and understanding of Christ from just a reading of the Bible and a class and some research that may or may not have a bias to begin with......How can you tell onther person how or what their religon truely should mean to them if you dont practice it yourself, and even if you did, still would not the individual beleive what is true from their own feeling from their own heart or soul....???
How do you think that anyone could have a true understanding of anyones religon unless they honestly beleive in it themselfs ?. Is that not what makes a religon ? what the individual beleives is true.....All religons would feel that any other one would be wrong. How could two opposing doctrine both be right...They both beleive their right. yes. Can they both be right, no............can they both be wrong......yes.
I realise that these sites are read by many people. Which could include islamic extreemist who have in the past hunted down people they wanted to silence. since I have picturs of me on here and have enough information that if I did put my college down it would not be hard to find me. For the saftey of my family I well not put down the name of my college. what I well tell you is that It is a small christian private college that you probaly never heard of. I went their for almost two years but left college to get married to my beutiful wife planned on going back to school to finish my degree. But a few monthes after geting married we found out that we had a little one on the way who is now two years old.
phixer
Active Member
Originally Posted by 37g Joe
I realise that these sites are read by many people. Which could include islamic extreemist who have in the past hunted down people they wanted to silence. since I have picturs of me on here and have enough information that if I did put my college down it would not be hard to find me. For the saftey of my family I well not put down the name of my college. what I well tell you is that It is a small christian private college that you probaly never heard of. I went their for almost two years but left college to get married to my beutiful wife planned on going back to school to finish my degree. But a few monthes after geting married we found out that we had a little one on the way who is now two years old.
Joe, you are the one. The Oracle told me so.
I realise that these sites are read by many people. Which could include islamic extreemist who have in the past hunted down people they wanted to silence. since I have picturs of me on here and have enough information that if I did put my college down it would not be hard to find me. For the saftey of my family I well not put down the name of my college. what I well tell you is that It is a small christian private college that you probaly never heard of. I went their for almost two years but left college to get married to my beutiful wife planned on going back to school to finish my degree. But a few monthes after geting married we found out that we had a little one on the way who is now two years old.
Joe, you are the one. The Oracle told me so.
dogstar
Active Member
OK, I understand your consern for your safty and fear....
But you did confirm my feeling that it was so called Christain based teachings. I expect you to not agree that this would matter, IDK
You made no responce to any of my questions about one religon describeing another and one may conclude as to why, again, IDK
Of coures one of my points is that someone trying to learn about Islam from a Christain bias institution would be no different from a Muslim trying to learn about Christanity from a Islamic institution.......maybe you agree or maybe you dont, IDK...well, maybe I do.
But you did confirm my feeling that it was so called Christain based teachings. I expect you to not agree that this would matter, IDK
You made no responce to any of my questions about one religon describeing another and one may conclude as to why, again, IDK
Of coures one of my points is that someone trying to learn about Islam from a Christain bias institution would be no different from a Muslim trying to learn about Christanity from a Islamic institution.......maybe you agree or maybe you dont, IDK...well, maybe I do.
37g joe
Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
OK, I understand your consern for your safty and fear....
But you did confirm my feeling that it was so called Christain based teachings. I expect you to not agree that this would matter, IDK
You made no responce to any of my questions about one religon describeing another and one may conclude as to why, again, IDK
Of coures one of my points is that someone trying to learn about Islam from a Christain bias institution would be no different from a Muslim trying to learn about Christanity from a Islamic institution.......maybe you agree or maybe you dont, IDK...well, maybe I do.
your right I do have a bias. the quran tells muslims to kill all those who dont accept islam well my bias is that of survival. every one has bias and preconcieved Ideas ones that affect thier understanding on topics to claim you dont your either a liar or a fool. Now if i had views without any background I think you might have a good point but I have shown in here why I feel the way I do.
I dont know how every muslim feels I can tell you that friends I have who are former muslims have also have givin me much insight on the views of the muslims that they where around. but I can inform people what the quran teaches. Not every one who calls themselves christians follow what the bible teaches but that does not mean those teaching are not in thier.
but dogstar if you disagree with the evidence I have presented than bring forward evidence of your own. I encorage you to do so. Goto a mosque as I have befor listen to what they teach in the mosque. Bring these verces up to them and ask them thier interpetation on them. Also ask if it is comanded by allah that islam must be the only relegion and ask what the muslims are comanded to do to those who choose not to follow islam.
OK, I understand your consern for your safty and fear....
But you did confirm my feeling that it was so called Christain based teachings. I expect you to not agree that this would matter, IDK
You made no responce to any of my questions about one religon describeing another and one may conclude as to why, again, IDK
Of coures one of my points is that someone trying to learn about Islam from a Christain bias institution would be no different from a Muslim trying to learn about Christanity from a Islamic institution.......maybe you agree or maybe you dont, IDK...well, maybe I do.
your right I do have a bias. the quran tells muslims to kill all those who dont accept islam well my bias is that of survival. every one has bias and preconcieved Ideas ones that affect thier understanding on topics to claim you dont your either a liar or a fool. Now if i had views without any background I think you might have a good point but I have shown in here why I feel the way I do.
I dont know how every muslim feels I can tell you that friends I have who are former muslims have also have givin me much insight on the views of the muslims that they where around. but I can inform people what the quran teaches. Not every one who calls themselves christians follow what the bible teaches but that does not mean those teaching are not in thier.
but dogstar if you disagree with the evidence I have presented than bring forward evidence of your own. I encorage you to do so. Goto a mosque as I have befor listen to what they teach in the mosque. Bring these verces up to them and ask them thier interpetation on them. Also ask if it is comanded by allah that islam must be the only relegion and ask what the muslims are comanded to do to those who choose not to follow islam.