The war on terror?

dogstar

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Its not that I disagree with the evidence, its that I dont need it. God opens my eyes and my ears, not you....I see and hear you clearly...and I dont claim to have the power to open yours, and Im not going to try...You see, my religon teaches me that God will judge you, I will not judge you. He will know YOU by your words and your thoughts, just as he will know me....
 

37g joe

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
Its not that I disagree with the evidence, its that I dont need it. God opens my eyes and my ears, not you....I see and hear you clearly...and I dont claim to have the power to open yours, and Im not going to try...You see, my religon teaches me that God will judge you, I will not judge you. He will know YOU by your words and your thoughts, just as he will know me....
I agree with you. But failure to defend our selves and to ignore why they seek are distruction wont end the blood shed. We do have the right to protect our selves and to insure our survival.
if you dont mind me asking what is your religion?
 

dogstar

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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
if you dont mind me asking what is your religion?
Why, so you can tell me whats wrong with it......so you can judge me too.....
I have puy my words and thoughts on this web site daily....you claim to be well learned in religons, so why is it you dont know my heart...????
 

phixer

Active Member
Originally Posted by 37g Joe
I agree with you. But failure to defend our selves and to ignore why they seek are distruction wont end the blood shed. We do have the right to protect our selves and to insure our survival.
if you dont mind me asking what is your religion?
I thought you knew everything?
Your are not... the one. :hilarious
Seriously Joe after all of this typing and lengthy dialog what has been accomplished?
akbuuur, akbuuur has anyone seen akbuuur?
 

dogstar

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I could tell you a name, a title, a word, but how does that let YOU understand MY religon, If I said I was Christan, Then you may say that Im being led away, that MY Christ is different from YOUR Christ, If I said I was a Bubist or a Muslim that still would not let you know me.
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
Why, so you can tell me whats wrong with it......so you can judge me too.....
I have puy my words and thoughts on this web site daily....you claim to be well learned in religons, so why is it you dont know my heart...????
only god can know your heart my friend and my asking was at no means an attack on you only for my own insight
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
I thought you knew everything?
Your are not... the one. :hilarious
Seriously Joe after all of this typing and lengthy dialog what has been accomplished?
akbuuur, akbuuur has anyone seen akbuuur?
sorry to dissapoint I well try to work on the all knowing part.
 

phixer

Active Member
Originally Posted by 37g Joe
sorry to dissapoint I well try to work on the all knowing part.

Im going to capitalize on your knowledge in the hope that I too may reach your level of enlightenment. :joy:
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
Im going to capitalize on your knowledge in the hope that I too may reach your level of enlightenment. :joy:
if i ever write a book I well send you a copy with a signed poster of me.
the hard part of selling it is that no one well want a book that weighs 20 lbs. I well have to have an apriged version.
 

phixer

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Im surprised Pontius hasn't chimed in lately. He usually has something to say about issues like this.
 

akbuuur

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Originally Posted by 37g Joe
since you deny the use of ishaq by the larger islamic comunity i well just stick to quranic verces.
Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!”
Qur’an:8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”
Qur’an:8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
Qur’an:4:77 “Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?”
Qur’an:33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”
Qur’an:3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”

Im interested in seeing where you got these quotes this time because the translations are quite different from a Qur'an that I read.
4.34. Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
4.55. Some of them believed, and some of them averted their faces from him: And enough is Hell for a burning fire.
8.7. Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;-
8.39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
4.77. Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah. They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!
33.26. Say: "O Allah. Lord of Power (And Rule), Thou givest power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off power from whom Thou pleasest: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest: In Thy hand is all good. Verily, over all things Thou hast power.
3.150 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
Just a tad bit different. Heres the Qur'an I use. http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/
I know the majority of muslims are sunni but that doesn't make me one. So if you feel I have a need to defend something I have absolutly no knowledge of and don't believe in your mistaken. If you want to look at a Qur'an translation find one that Muslims not any of your christian buddys. The qur'an is a book that can be taken manyways if you seek "evil" that is fine you obviously then dont care to have any other thoughts on Islam. Your opinion will not change and you do not wish to grow and learn. If I am right then its very sad I won't be responding to any of your posts anymore. BTW congrats on your child(no sarcasm).
 

akbuuur

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they have a limit on posting, my last one was too long, heres the rest.
Phixer.
Qu'ran 5.32On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.
Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
I was at work, selling drugs. :jumping:
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dogstar

Active Member
Originally Posted by 37g Joe
Not every one who calls themselves christians follow what the bible teaches but that does not mean those teaching are not in thier.
:notsure: :thinking: :notsure: :notsure: :thinking:

Lost me with that last part. I agree with the first part.
 

37g joe

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in these threads I have cited ceveral Muslim translations: Ahmed Ali , Pickthal, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, and the Noble Qur'an by Khan. My future goal is to learn to speak arabic so i can read the quran my self specially since any version outside of arabic is not seen as the quran. My brother in law is palistinan and speaks fluent arabic and is going to assist me on this
 

akbuuur

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thats odd you seem such an anti-muslim world opinion even though your brother inlaw is palestinian but im sure he can explain to you how israel does the same to christians as to muslims(assuming his christian).
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by akbuuur
they have a limit on posting, my last one was too long, heres the rest.
Phixer.
Qu'ran 5.32On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.
Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
I was at work, selling drugs. :jumping:
at a

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:hilarious WTH? does that have to do with anything but since you brought it up I'll play. Using the Quran against itself why then havent the leaders of Islam used that phrase from that book to go after the terrorists since they rule their governments by it.
It's because they pick and choose what is convienient for them. Its OK to allow terrorism training to be conducted in violation of that phrase but if you steal they cut off your hand.
How can this not been seen as hypocracy.
 

akbuuur

Member
Ha you must be missing a couple chromosomes i send you links of leaders condeming terrorism... you say thats not what your looking for then i give a verse from the Qur'an and you say thats not what your looking for.. you must just not have anything to do... get a job... better yet get :help:
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by akbuuur
thats odd you seem such an anti-muslim world opinion even though your brother inlaw is palestinian but im sure he can explain to you how israel does the same to christians as to muslims(assuming his christian).
he is chrisitan but his family and other christian palitinas have had to leave israel because of not how the jews treat them but how thier fellow arabs treat them. I am not anti Arab and for the people in the whole I hope for thier own sake they give up such teaching that command them to destroy and murder. I love arabic food arabic architecture and alot of the arabic culture. Which was developed befor islam was a religion. thiere are alot of not islamic arabs who are caught in the middle of this all. and i would probably get along with you as long as we did not talk about religion.
Well folks i goto do some dishes and some cleaning befor my wife gets home or she gonna kill me or gound me off the computer which is a much worser fate
 

phixer

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akbuuur said:
they have a limit on posting, my last one was too long, heres the rest.
Phixer.
Qu'ran 5.32On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.
Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
I was at work, selling drugs. :jumping:
Thats nice.
:hilarious What does that have to do with anything?, I'll play along. Why then havent the leaders of Islam used that phrase from that book to go after the terrorists since they rule their governments by it.
It's because they pick and choose what is convienient for them. Its OK to allow terrorism training to be conducted in violation of that phrase but if you steal they cut your hand off.
Hypocracy.
 
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