Things are about to change..............maybe.

2quills

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BTW, Reef...not to beat a dead horse here but how are the clean up efforts going in your neck of the woods? Youre in Colorado, right?
Spills and water contamination
An analysis by Environmental Working Group and The Endocrine Disruption Exchange (TEDX) found that at least 65 chemicals used by natural gas companies in Colorado are listed as hazardous under six major federal laws designed to protect Americans from toxic substances.[5]In 2004, Canada-based Encana Corp. improperly cemented and hydraulically fractured a well in Garfield County, Colorado. The state found that the poor cementing caused natural gas and associated contaminants to travel underground more than 4,000 feet laterally. As a result, a creek became contaminated with dangerous levels of carcinogenic benzene. The state of Colorado fined Encana a then-record $371,200. After more than seven years of cleanup efforts, as of September 2012, three groundwater monitoring wells near the creek still showed unsafe levels of benzene.[20][21]In 2008, a drilling wastewater pit in Colorado leaked 1.6 million gallons of fluid, which migrated into the Colorado River.[22]A 2008-2011 Colorado School of Public Health hydrological study found that as the number of gas wells in Garfield County increased, methane levels in water wells also rose. State regulators later fined EnCana Oil and Gas for faulty well casings that allowed methane to migrate into water supplies through natural faults.[23][24]During an eight-month period in 2011, companies in the state spilled 2 million gallons of fluids. Officials say there are up to 400 oil and gas spills each year in Colorado, but that only 20 percent contaminate groundwater.[25]In March 2013 it was reported that an "underground plume of toxic hydrocarbons from an oil spill north of the Colorado River near Parachute [Colorado] has been spreading for 10 days, threatening to contaminate spring runoff. Vacuum trucks have sucked up more than 60,000 gallons, but an unknown amount remains in the ground by Parachute Creek," which flows into the Colorado River.[26] The company responsible for the leak, Williams Energy, was put in charge of the clean-up.[27]The leak was caused by a faulty pressure gauge on a four-inch pipeline. Benzene levels in Parachute Creek rose above the safety threshold of 5 parts per billion. Following the spill, Colorado lawmakers discovered that state penalties for such accidents had been capped at $10,000 since the 1960s. In response, they passed legislation in May 2013 that increased possible state fines for such incidents. But the state had yet to fine Williams Energy.[27]
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527912
BTW, Reef...not to beat a dead horse here but how are the clean up efforts going in your neck of the woods? Youre in Colorado, right?
Spills and water contamination
An analysis by Environmental Working Group and The Endocrine Disruption Exchange (TEDX) found that at least 65 chemicals used by natural gas companies in Colorado are listed as hazardous under six major federal laws designed to protect Americans from toxic substances.[5]In 2004, Canada-based Encana Corp. improperly cemented and hydraulically fractured a well in Garfield County, Colorado. The state found that the poor cementing caused natural gas and associated contaminants to travel underground more than 4,000 feet laterally. As a result, a creek became contaminated with dangerous levels of carcinogenic benzene.
The state of Colorado fined Encana a then-record $371,200. After more than seven years of cleanup efforts, as of September 2012, three groundwater monitoring wells near the creek still showed unsafe levels of benzene.[20][21]In 2008, a drilling wastewater pit in Colorado leaked 1.6 million gallons of fluid, which migrated into the Colorado River.[22]A 2008-2011 Colorado School of Public Health hydrological study found that as the number of gas wells in Garfield County increased, methane levels in water wells also rose. State regulators later fined EnCana Oil and Gas for faulty well casings that allowed methane to migrate into water supplies through natural faults.[23][24]During an eight-month period in 2011, companies in the state spilled 2 million gallons of fluids. Officials say there are up to 400 oil and gas spills each year in Colorado, but that only 20 percent contaminate groundwater.[25]In March 2013 it was reported that an "underground plume of toxic hydrocarbons from an oil spill north of the Colorado River near Parachute [Colorado] has been spreading for 10 days, threatening to contaminate spring runoff. Vacuum trucks have sucked up more than 60,000 gallons, but an unknown amount remains in the ground by Parachute Creek," which flows into the Colorado River.[26] The company responsible for the leak, Williams Energy, was put in charge of the clean-up.[27]The leak was caused by a faulty pressure gauge on a four-inch pipeline. Benzene levels in Parachute Creek rose above the safety threshold of 5 parts per billion. Following the spill, Colorado lawmakers discovered that state penalties for such accidents had been capped at $10,000 since the 1960s. In response, they passed legislation in May 2013 that increased possible state fines for such incidents. But the state had yet to fine Williams Energy.[27]
Faulty well casing, not fracking caused the problem and benzene is a chemical present in the oil and gas zones, not a frack chemical.
 
I live in Arkansas, and it's been heavily done in this state. While energy independence is a great thing, we have seen an increase in earthquakes due to fracking. Officials deny it, but when you are pumping all this pressure into the ground, it seems real suspect. And then look at the town of Mayflower, Arkansas that had that major oil spill and they have been trying to cover it up.
 
Here's some of the news stories from the Mayflower oil spill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mayflower-arkansas-oil-spill
And here's a video of some of the oil running through a residential neighborhood. Looks like a place I'd love to raise a family!
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527925
Faulty well casing, not fracking caused the problem and benzene is a chemical present in the oil and gas zones, not a frack chemical.
Tomato, tommattow. Drilling in general on our lands has always been a controversial topic for the known hazards associated with the practice. I don't think most folks realize the potential, including the gas companies...which, BTW, I have come to the conclusion that you must have stock in lol.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527929
Tomato, tommattow. Drilling in general on our lands has always been a controversial topic for the known hazards associated with the practice. I don't think most folks realize the potential, including the gas companies...which, BTW, I have come to the conclusion that you must have stock in lol.
So it's actual drilling you oppose, not the fracking process...
Actually I do own stock in WMB as of about a week ago. They distribute it, not produce it. There's so much out there right now you gotta go for utilization to make money on it right now, not production. Once utilization picks up it will be time to jump back into the producers.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527930
So it's actual drilling you oppose, not the fracking process...
Actually I do own stock in WMB as of about a week ago. They distribute it, not produce it. There's so much out there right now you gotta go for utilization to make money on it right now, not production. Once utilization picks up it will be time to jump back into the producers.
I don't blame you, it's a good bet.
What I'm apposed to is un-safe practices that have life altering consequences and companies or politicians that go around lying and trying to cover it up instead of accepting responsibility and helping people. Not threatening them to go away and then leaving them and or their lively hoods/investments devastated. If I felt like domestic boom was actually going to save consumers money in the long run then I meet feel differently towards oil and gas companies than I do right now. But I don't.
We knew this about this area when we came down here. It's why we chose to take paths towards real estate and property management. You do what you have to
 

reefraff

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I wish I had brought a lot more of that Williams stock, it was over over 5 percent today :)
Will like I said, I grew up in a field in the 1960's and early 70's that didn't do a bang up job of following the regs that were around back then and me nor my brothers or sister had any ill health effects from it.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527934
Will like I said, I grew up in a field in the 1960's and early 70's that didn't do a bang up job of following the regs that were around back then and me nor my brothers or sister had any ill health effects from it.
Yep. I played in raw sewage as a kid and I'm still here lol.
But in all honesty: Our water supplies are probably thee most precious commodity that we have and if we destroy it then we are truly screwed.
 

darthtang aw

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Well there ya go...nothing much to worry about in your case because it can't get much worse. Well, untill sombody flicks a lit cigarette into your yard while you're watering your grass and your house goes up in flames lol
Albuquerque is a desert city. Anyone with grass is rich enough to rebuild. We are number 1 in the country for drought. Anyone with grass is very well off and doesnt mind burning money.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527943
I did some crazy stuff as a kid but I did have sense enough to stay clear of the cesspool. :)
Metaphor haha. Though we did used to crawl around in the storm drains of the newly developed neighborhoods that were going up around ours. We'd skate back into them for like a mile or two. It was pretty freaky. But eventually people moved in and so did the rats and roaches. It got too sketchy at that point. Had to bail out.
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http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527947
Albuquerque is a desert city. Anyone with grass is rich enough to rebuild. We are number 1 in the country for drought. Anyone with grass is very well off and doesnt mind burning money.
Think I'm a little closer to the equator. I'd assume we can't be very far behind you in drought. Our water shed is down in the low 30% range. Lake Corpus Christi has practically disappeared. Hundreds of home/properties that were lakeside no longer worth anything.
 

darthtang aw

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Metaphor haha.  Though we did used to crawl around in the storm drains of the newly developed neighborhoods that were going up around ours.  We'd skate back into them for like a mile or two.  It was pretty freaky.  But eventually people moved in and so did the rats and roaches.  It got too sketchy at that point. Had to bail out.
Think I'm a little closer to the equator.  I'd assume we can't be very far behind you in drought.  Our water shed is down in the low 30% range. Lake Corpus Christi has practically disappeared.  Hundreds of home/properties that were lakeside no longer worth anything.
We would sell our first born to acquire your moisture and rainfall
http://www.abqjournal.com/209996/blogs/nm-science/drought-watch-new-mexico-still-worst-in-the-nation.html
All my juniper bushes, a large chinese elm, grape vine, sage, and lavender have died due to the drought. Even with daily hand watering from myself.
Darth (agua) tang
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3527960
We would sell our first born to acquire your moisture and rainfall
http://www.abqjournal.com/209996/blogs/nm-science/drought-watch-new-mexico-still-worst-in-the-nation.html
All my juniper bushes, a large chinese elm, grape vine, sage, and lavender have died due to the drought. Even with daily hand watering from myself.
Darth (agua) tang
Do I get a receipt with that?
Was worth the time to watch if you live over shale...
 

reefraff

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/rewarded_for_breast_cancer_lies_puodzJYB8jYGz9PXkoOjNL
 

reefraff

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And my personal favorite
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/18/1224787/-Fact-Checking-Josh-Fox-Gasland-3-EPA-Enforcement-Case-Shows-Gas-Industry-Bust-Under-Clean-Water-Act
Among the principle claims of Gasland is that oil and gas industry hydraulic fracturing operations, including all produced process wastewater and hydraulic fracturing fluids, are exempt from the Federal Clean Water Act.
This claim --- that oil and gas industry activity is exempt from the Clean Water Act --- is a central tenet of the Gasland conflation/fabrication and anti-science campaign. "The present results and damage from this campaign is the widespread broadcast of totally erroneous "facts" by Gasland that have become widely believed in a manner of urban myths by major portions of the United States green/environmental movement."
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3528084
http://www.bseec.org/content/revisiting-documentary-gasland-and-false-claims
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3528085
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/rewarded_for_breast_cancer_lies_puodzJYB8jYGz9PXkoOjNL
lol...trashing the author doesn't change the facts, Reef. We're all hip to the smear tactics used by politicians and big business. Benzene is a known human carcinogen that is being found in water supplies and well known to be in the air around in areas where fracking is occurring even in your own state.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/benzene
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22895769/benzene-from-gas-plant-leak-polluting-groundwater-near
 
Living in a state that does a lot of fracking, it's easy to see the negatives of this issue. I've also worked for big corporations and have seen how they treat people-- let alone the environment. At the end of the day, it all comes down to money. That's what will drive this issue.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396032/things-are-about-to-change-maybe/20#post_3528087
lol...trashing the author doesn't change the facts, Reef. We're all hip to the smear tactics used by politicians and big business. Benzene is a known human carcinogen that is being found in water supplies and well known to be in the air around in areas where fracking is occurring even in your own state.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/benzene
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22895769/benzene-from-gas-plant-leak-polluting-groundwater-near
If the author is shown to be lying about the facts I'd say it has quite a bit to do with it.
Do you not understand that Benzene has absolutely nothing to do with fracking? It's a naturally occurring compound found within the oil and gas zones.
"Benzene is a natural constituent of crude oil, and is one of the most elementary petrochemicals. Benzene is an aromatic hydrocarbon and the second [n
]-annulene ([6]-annulene), a cyclic hydrocarbon with a continuous pi bond. It is sometimes abbreviated Ph–H. Benzene is a colorless and highly flammable liquid with a sweet smell. It is mainly used as a precursor to heavy chemicals, such as ethylbenzene and cumene, which are produced on a billion kilogram scale. Because it has a high octane number, it is an important component of gasoline, composing a few percent of its mass. Most non-industrial applications have been limited by benzene's carcinogenicity."
What happened at the gas plant would have spilled benzene whether the wells were fracked or not.
 
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