Thinking of adding some fish, need YOUR help

angrycrab

Member
I have a well established 75 with 5 very happy fish. I have a purple lobster, and a few snails, some mushroom corals and thats about it.
My Current Inhibants are
Blue Hippo Tang
Royal Gamma
2 Clarkii Clowns
Flame Angel
Here are the fish I am thinking of adding, I am not looking to add them all, just a few from this list.
Strawberry Grouper
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
Indigo Hamlet
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
BlueHeaded Wrasse
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
Bluehead fairy wrasse (Of course with either this or the bluehead, not both)
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
Also welcome any other suggestions.
Thanks!
 

angrycrab

Member
Just adding that I am looking for someone semi peaceful, every one is happy in there now and I dont want anyone stirring it up
 
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regina13

Guest
Originally Posted by AngryCrab
I have a well established 75 with 5 very happy fish. I have a purple lobster, and a few snails, some mushroom corals and thats about it.
My Current Inhibants are
Blue Hippo Tang
Royal Gamma
2 Clarkii Clowns
Flame Angel
Here are the fish I am thinking of adding, I am not looking to add them all, just a few from this list.
Strawberry Grouper
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
Indigo Hamlet
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
BlueHeaded Wrasse
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
Bluehead fairy wrasse (Of course with either this or the bluehead, not both)
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/site_11...ot_parent_id=4
Also welcome any other suggestions.
Thanks!

my favorite is the blueheaded wrasse.
 

angrycrab

Member
Originally Posted by regina13
my favorite is the blueheaded wrasse.
He plays nice with my other tankmates?
 

beatlesfan

Member
with the tang in there you might be at the limit becuase of what these guys grow to. Also next please don't put a tang in a less than 6' tank (i.e at least 100g).
 

saltn00b

Active Member
tang is already in the tank.
is this for a reef tank? you say a few shrooms but are you wanting to add more?
i would advise against a grouper as they might be docile, but for an aggressive tank... he will be very bossy i believe in such a small tank. and they get rather large.
i also would not suggest you get a hamlet as they are supposed to me in aggressive tanks as well. either of those wrasses should be fine but i dont know if the blue head is reef safe.
 

angrycrab

Member
No worries beattle, I have a 150g in my new home in Feb, so they have room to grow, I have had my hippo since he was less then an inch and even now he around 2, ands its been about a year and a half, so they are not pressed for space
 

angrycrab

Member
Originally Posted by saltn00b
tang is already in the tank.
is this for a reef tank? you say a few shrooms but are you wanting to add more?
i would advise against a grouper as they might be docile, but for an aggressive tank... he will be very bossy i believe in such a small tank. and they get rather large.
i also would not suggest you get a hamlet as they are supposed to me in aggressive tanks as well. either of those wrasses should be fine but i dont know if the blue head is reef safe.

Right now I am done with corals, the shrooms are enoguh to keep me entertained but I have discovered I am more of a fish guy.
 

joe31

New Member
How about a Harlequin Sweetlips instead of the grouper. Its peacefull, but can get large (28 inch.) I agree with the grouper, not if you want a peacefull tank.
 

saltn00b

Active Member
sorry joe but i have to disagree. the sweetlips are aggressive and have a TERRIBLE track record. they seem to always die within a year for no reason. they also lose the nice coloration as they mature.
 

beatlesfan

Member
Originally Posted by AngryCrab
No worries beattle, I have a 150g in my new home in Feb, so they have room to grow, I have had my hippo since he was less then an inch and even now he around 2, ands its been about a year and a half, so they are not pressed for space
Good
that's what I like to hear1 Other than that I always liked the Blueheaded Wrasse
 

lesleybird

Active Member
Why don't you wait until you get your 150 gallon? Start adding more to your tank of "very happy fish" and they won't be so happy. A grouper in a 75 gallon is a joke. Please read up on how big fish get and what size tank they need before you get them. Also read up on stocking levels for saltwater fish based on final size of your fish, not purchase size. Saltwater fish can only be stocked at less than half the levels of freshwater fish. Something like 1 inch of fish per 4 to 5 gallons of water. The tang needs a 6 foot tank. I would get a 180 gallon tank instead of the 150. I was going to get a 150 but a lot of people on this board told me to go with the 180 and I am glad that I listened.....I got a 190 gallon 2 months ago. Lesley
 

angrycrab

Member
Originally Posted by Lesleybird
Why don't you wait until you get your 150 gallon? Start adding more to your tank of "very happy fish" and they won't be so happy. A grouper in a 75 gallon is a joke. Please read up on how big fish get and what size tank they need before you get them. Also read up on stocking levels for saltwater fish based on final size of your fish, not purchase size. Saltwater fish can only be stocked at less than half the levels of freshwater fish. Something like 1 inch of fish per 4 to 5 gallons of water. The tang needs a 6 foot tank. I would get a 180 gallon tank instead of the 150. I was going to get a 150 but a lot of people on this board told me to go with the 180 and I am glad that I listened.....I got a 190 gallon 2 months ago. Lesley
Wow thanks for being a total jerk. If it is a "joke" by asking "experts" what they thought does classify on reading up. The sight lists a minium gallon size and a few of the groupers are listed at 75g. Most of my fish are at least 2 years old and not a single one is over 2 and half inches. 3 are an inch. I have a total of 7 inches of fish in a 75 gallon tank, I think I have plenty of room to make an addition.
Next time be a little more friendly, I was only looking for advice.
 

ice4ice

Active Member
Originally Posted by AngryCrab
Wow thanks for being a total jerk. If it is a "joke" by asking "experts" what they thought does classify on reading up. The sight lists a minium gallon size and a few of the groupers are listed at 75g. Most of my fish are at least 2 years old and not a single one is over 2 and half inches. 3 are an inch. I have a total of 7 inches of fish in a 75 gallon tank, I think I have plenty of room to make an addition.
Next time be a little more friendly, I was only looking for advice.
This person is not trying to be a jerk. Tangs belong in tanks 125 gallons or larger and/or at least a 6 foot long tank. The same goes for alot of groupers since they do get large as adults. The "minimum tank size" can be quite misleading for most aquarists except for those that do their research thoroughly read on the fish species. Tangs, Triggers and groupers all need very large tanks to survive better.
 

angrycrab

Member
I took this from one of most respected sites on keeping reef tanks. My guess is that he knows what he is talking about. The funny thing about experts is they dont always agree.
My tang has been in there since March of 06 and is happy, healthy and a great fish. He was less then an inch when I got him, and is a little over 2 inches now.
I wanted to highlight a big part of his post....
In most reef tanks in the 75 - 100 gallon range you can keep two tangs in the 7' - 10" adult size range without too much problem if you mix the genus properly. Anything under 75 gallons and 48" or longer can accomodate one tang. in that size range.

Credit: Craig Manoukian
I have to make two serperate posts because of the length.
 

angrycrab

Member
OK,
The subject of tangs, what kind and how many, comes up alot. The problem is there are several answers depending on the type of set-up you have and what you are looking for. I am going to discuss having multiple tangs that are reef safe. There are lots of tangs and surgeon fish that are superb candidates for large fish only set-ups, but those won't be discussed here.
How big of a tank do I need?
In general, tangs require a minimum of 48" of lateral swim room as they are very active swimmers and grazers. Hex and corner bow tanks are not as good of a tank choice because the water volume tends to be more vertical, and other than jelly fish, fish do not swim vertically in their normal activities.
The adult size of the fish is important in choosing the right tank for the tang, or vice versa. Of the tangs that are readily available in the aquaria trade, they grow to a minimum of 7" and the vast majority to 10" - 15". The maximum adult size of the fish should determine the size of your tank.
What do I want a tang for?
Tangs offer a wide variety of body styles and colors. They are excellent and active swimmers that add personality and action to your tank. The most important benefit of having these fish is that, in addition to being active swimmers, they are tremendous grazers and agaevores, aka, good cleaner crew members.
What do I feed my tangs?
Tangs eat a wide variety of algae and may supplement their diet with meaty foods you introduce to your tank. Flake food and seaweed are also to their liking. People also feed their tangs broccolli or other green vegatable matter that approximates their plant diet in the sea. These fish atre known for their appetites and have been called a lot of thing, but never late for dinner.
How many tangs can I have in my tank?
The real challenge here is that it depends on how big the tangs are. You can certainly keep two or three juvenile tangs in a 75 - 100 gallon tank, for a while. They will grow and you will need to accomodate that adult growth at some time in the future. This can be achieved by moving to a new and bigger tank, what a strategy, eh , or trading them in to an LFS or some other more suitable home.
In most reef tanks in the 75 - 100 gallon range you can keep two tangs in the 7' - 10" adult size range without too much problem if you mix the genus properly. Anything under 75 gallons and 48" or longer can accomodate one tang. in that size range.
Michael Paletta suggest a much bigger tank than 75 - 100 gallons for three tangs. I believe he has three in his 240 gallon reef tank.
That being said, there are three genuses that generally get along well because they don't compete for the same food source. The three genuses are:
1. Zebrasoma
2. Acanthurus
3. Ctenochaetus
I have experience with three species, one from each genus that get along well together as they are some of the more peaceful tangs. They are the Sailfin (Zebrasoma veliferum), Convict (Acanthurus triostegus), and Yellow Eyed Kole (Ctenochaetus strigosus) tangs and all are very efficient macro algae eaters. The Sailfin and Convict are very good macroalgaevores and the Yellow Eyed Kole is expert at cleaning green and brown PITA algae from the glass and rocks.
There are several species from each of these genuses that can be mixed and matched. Remember that these are generalities and that each fish is different and may become aggressive if it feels it's territory is being encroached. Some individual fish just have bad dispositions and are not good tank mates.
It is my experience that it is best to add mutiple tangs, odd numbers are better, as young juveniles of the same size. In this way they are not predisposed to aggressive or territorial behavior, and they get to grow up together and gain a familiarity that leads to less potential conflicts.
It is critical that you are responsible and provide tangs with the appropriate swim room. You have to realize that a 240 gallon tank does not duplicate the swim territory of a sinlge tang in the wild so we are really providing the minimum.
 
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