This guy wants to be president?

spanko

spanko

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2703917
I disagree with your logic.... Boycotting the opening ceremonies is a sign or a statment to the Chinese gov't, American commercials or television is not. You are talking about two different things... and for an American audience... having commercials during the Olympics is a smart thing to do... I am in advertising and the most sought out advertising in television is based off ratings... which the Olympics will rule for the next couple weeks. This is the most effective way for him to get his message out to "Americans" in all walks of life, backgrounds, and political affliations.
What planet are you from with that kind of logic!
How is telling Bush HE should boycott anything to do with the games a sign or a statement and HIM, the presumptive democratic nominee for president using the games and HIM not boycotting them okay in your logic????????????????
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2703245
Weren't you just complaining yesterday about misrepresentation of the facts? What you posted here is not only untrue but completely insulting and a lie. I'm disgusted you'd suggest that democrats would support mandated abortions, are anti religion and are pro censorship. If this is what you believe you are either deluded or ignorant. I think for the most part a lot of what's posted here is fun and it's interesting to see a different view but for one of the first times I am disgusted and pissed off.
Two out of three however...
The Democratic party is historically anti-religious (just look at liberal court rulings regarding prayer, on campus Christian clubs and meetings, nativity scene rulings, etc.).
The Democratic party is certainly pro-censorship as well. Research the "fairness doctrine"...
As for being "pissed off"... Didn't you call me a "war privateer" just days ago on this very thread? Now you are offended by this post?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2703944
Two out of three however...
The Democratic party is historically anti-religious (just look at liberal court rulings regarding prayer, on campus Christian clubs and meetings, nativity scene rulings, etc.).
The Democratic party is certainly pro-censorship as well. Research the "fairness doctrine"...
As for being "pissed off"... Didn't you call me a "war privateer" just days ago on this very thread? Now you are offended by this post?

What do you think will happen with a single payer healthcare system and the payer be the government... They'll tell what what procedures we can and can't do. In an effart to reduce costs I wouldn't be suprised at all to see someone forced to terminate an unhealthy pregnancy...
 
robdog696

robdog696

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698431
The Iraqi president has said "off the record" that he perfers Obama.
IF this is true (I have no idea if it is) that will just make him one more leader of a Middle Eastern nation that will be dancing in the streets the day Obama is elected.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698435
I think we have lost sight of why we went to war in the 1st place
Did you lose a loved one on 9/11? Did you serve your country during a time of war? Have you been to Iraq, Kuwait, or Afghanistan? Exactly why do you think we are in Iraq? Because you say...
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698432
It is more important... being human comes before nationality.
If you truly believed this and were not just blindly defending a political candidate based on party affiliation then you would believe in our responsibility to the citizens of Iraq.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698562
If we want to restore credibility around the world.. this guy is the one to do it.... This even proves my point more, he will be able to achieve more diplomatically than any president since Reagan...

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698584
our main issues deal with Islamic countries right now
So freeing thousands of citizens in two Middle Eastern countries neither "achieved more diplomatically" nor addressed our "main issues"?
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698600
Did you see that Bush now, is letting the Housing Rescue plan role through Congress... In his final days he is actually doing a little better.
But your idea of good is passing a bill that has nothing to do with foreign affairs simply because it is a victory for the democratic party.
"You know, if I listened to Michael Dukakis long enough, I would be convinced we're in an economic downturn and people are homeless and going without food and medical attention and that we've got to do something about the unemployed."
-Ronald Reagan
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Robdog696
http:///forum/post/2704556
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rylan1
It is more important... being human comes before nationality.
If you truly believed this and were not just blindly defending a political candidate based on party affiliation then you would believe in our responsibility to the citizens of Iraq.
Brilliant!
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2703950
What do you think will happen with a single payer healthcare system and the payer be the government... They'll tell what what procedures we can and can't do. In an effart to reduce costs I wouldn't be suprised at all to see someone forced to terminate an unhealthy pregnancy...

Rationing of healthcare, and life prolonging procedures such as dialysis. The State of Ohio pays about $15 for a physician to see a patient. $15 does not even cover the malpractice, much less overhead, staff, and some $ in the physician's pocket.
So if you lose money on each patient, how long can you stay in business?
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2698600
Did you see that Bush now, is letting the Housing Rescue plan role through Congress... In his final days he is actually doing a little better.

Where in the Constitution does it provide for the Feds to do this? Spending tax money to bail out bad loans is unconstitutional.
More womb to the tomb, and removal of consequences from actions.
More Socialism. More collectivism.
Less Constitutionalism
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Robdog696
http:///forum/post/2704556
IF this is true (I have no idea if it is) that will just make him one more leader of a Middle Eastern nation that will be dancing in the streets the day Obama is elected.
Did you lose a loved one on 9/11? Did you serve your country during a time of war? Have you been to Iraq, Kuwait, or Afghanistan? Exactly why do you think we are in Iraq? Because you say...
If you truly believed this and were not just blindly defending a political candidate based on party affiliation then you would believe in our responsibility to the citizens of Iraq.
So freeing thousands of citizens in two Middle Eastern countries neither "achieved more diplomatically" nor addressed our "main issues"?
But your idea of good is passing a bill that has nothing to do with foreign affairs simply because it is a victory for the democratic party.
"You know, if I listened to Michael Dukakis long enough, I would be convinced we're in an economic downturn and people are homeless and going without food and medical attention and that we've got to do something about the unemployed."
-Ronald Reagan
This is the same logic opponents of Obama make... this "dancing in the streets" - fear tactic... If I were to say Gordon Brown prefers Obama, or any other world leader you would argue something about him wanting to be President of the World... the logic is silly IMO because every positive Obama has you try to turn it into a negative. More is always accomplished when people are willing and wanting to work together. Progress is stalled when parties are unwilling to work together.... McCain impedes progress because of his attachment to the Bush Admin along with his "maverick" attitude; oh and lets not forget his constant inablitity to articulate a postion w/o in some way transfering the discussion back to the war in Iraq.
And your point about Iraq proves my point... when the war was authorized it was to go after WMD. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq at the time, they were based in Afganistan/Pakistan, places we have neglected. McCain has even said recently that the 'reasons' why we are in Iraq was wrong and that our intelligence was incorrect. Iraq had nothing to do with liberation... and as a citizen of the world, I am more applaud that we allow/accept the genocide in Darfur and Congo. The Iraq war was more about the Bush legacy and oil, than any of the things you mentioned.
I believe you to be the one "blindly following a canidate" because you ignore or down play all the problems we face as a nation and in the world. The passing of the Mortage Bill is very important, and it passed because both parties voted for it... This is not about political afflitiation, but much needed solutions to the very real problems we face..and it does have an impact in the bigger picture.. The greatest national security threat we face is the threat to our financial markets.. I don't believe it's terrorists directly... We have the military power to fight wars, but do we have the solutions to get out of the mess that truly affects are everyday lives?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2704677
Where in the Constitution does it provide for the Feds to do this? Spending tax money to bail out bad loans is unconstitutional.
More womb to the tomb, and removal of consequences from actions.
More Socialism. More collectivism.
Less Constitutionalism
How many banks have failed? What is going on w/ the real estate market and foreclosed homes?
Don't you think these homes are severe problems for communities? There needs to be a solution, otherwise more banks will fail because they can not carry the loss.
What does this do to our financial markets? Banks are also less willing to loan, because unless your credit is A1, it is a risk. Lets look at the consequences for allowing the market to operate as it did.. and w/o this bill the problem would compound because there are many more who are just a paycheck or months away from foreclosure. With the rising costs of energy, gas, food, and other things... people's paychecks are lighter and if they were already on a tight budget... it is now unmanageable.
So what would your solution be? Let the market handle it?
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2704481
bush got into schools that you and I could only dream of.

He is the President of the USA, that would have been a better point... even so you must admit that he is not that bright, especially when you consider the position he holds. Another point, people often overlook is the privledge associated with these families and the many others like them. When it comes to these universities... a lot of it is legacy and who is your family.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2704725
He is the President of the USA, that would have been a better point... even so you must admit that he is not that bright, especially when you consider the position he holds. Another point, people often overlook is the privledge associated with these families and the many others like them. When it comes to these universities... a lot of it is legacy and who is your family.
Bush is one of the more intellegent people to hold that office. People who think otherwise simple hold prejudice to people from the "south." His arguments have (unlike some) been consistant and wellfounded. This whole notion that he is a bumbling idiot is simply a well organized concocted attack by the left wing simply because they don't like his accent. If you want bumbling you aught to hear obama, off his teleprompter.
If you listen to personal account of even liberals with bush, when they are not just writing a hit piece, they'll say that he is smart, and on point. He just sucks on camera.
Do you remember that piece that I posted from some actor, I don't remember who, he teamed up with Bush to do some humanitarian work, and was writing about it? Even though he was politically diometrically opposed to Bush, he couldn't say anything bad about him...
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2704725
He is the President of the USA, that would have been a better point... even so you must admit that he is not that bright, especially when you consider the position he holds. Another point, people often overlook is the privledge associated with these families and the many others like them. When it comes to these universities... a lot of it is legacy and who is your family.
Bush also flew advanced jet interceptors. You cannot fly those types of aircraft if you don't have the brains to back up your flying ability.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2704722
How many banks have failed? What is going on w/ the real estate market and foreclosed homes?
Don't you think these homes are severe problems for communities? There needs to be a solution, otherwise more banks will fail because they can not carry the loss.
What does this do to our financial markets? Banks are also less willing to loan, because unless your credit is A1, it is a risk. Lets look at the consequences for allowing the market to operate as it did.. and w/o this bill the problem would compound because there are many more who are just a paycheck or months away from foreclosure. With the rising costs of energy, gas, food, and other things... people's paychecks are lighter and if they were already on a tight budget... it is now unmanageable.
So what would your solution be? Let the market handle it?

Yep, the market will work it out. Part of the problem was the gov't requiring banks to loan to those who were high risk to begin with. The gov't makes part of the problem, then when the house of cards falls, they swoop in to save the day.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2704731
Bush is one of the more intellegent people to hold that office. People who think otherwise simple hold prejudice to people from the "south." His arguments have (unlike some) been consistant and wellfounded. This whole notion that he is a bumbling idiot is simply a well organized concocted attack by the left wing simply because they don't like his accent. If you want bumbling you aught to hear obama, off his teleprompter.
If you listen to personal account of even liberals with bush, when they are not just writing a hit piece, they'll say that he is smart, and on point. He just sucks on camera.
Do you remember that piece that I posted from some actor, I don't remember who, he teamed up with Bush to do some humanitarian work, and was writing about it? Even though he was politically diometrically opposed to Bush, he couldn't say anything bad about him...
Are you serious?

No one cares that he is from the South or has an accent... I am also not saying that he is an idiot. He is the President; however, comparing him intellecutally to Obama I think in all polls, Bush would lose. What is even furthermore ridiculous.. is your comparison to their speaking ability, telepromter or not. When Obama is having a regular conversation he is very articulate, and is very thoughtful in his responses... which is why their maybe the occasional pause. Obama is the best speaker of any of the candidates, and I thing this is a silly attempt by you and republicans in general to make his oratory skills a negative. Bush may have had the skills to fly a plane, however when it comes to communication and analitical thinking he is a dud.
 
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