This is So Sad

rainbow grouper

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Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad#post_3420035
I'd say my opinion, but I'd probably get called all sorts of slurs (for my compassionate opinion), and go kill myself too. So i won't.
Stdreb as the mods would say there is no name calling on this forum it is a family friendly site and we want everyone to express there opinion (even if it is controversial).
 

scott t

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Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad#post_3420035
I'd say my opinion, but I'd probably get called all sorts of slurs (for my compassionate opinion), and go kill myself too. So i won't.
Streb27, Your Opinion no matter what it may be is valued. No one should have a problem with it because you are entitled to it. I have read some very harsh comments else where, that people have expressed their happiness about this horrible thing that has happened to this child and his family. Others have expressed their sadness about it all and a call to have laws passed to make it so it will not happen again. Then there are those who are on the fence about how they feel. Each and everyone one of those people have the right to express their opinion, I will not be one to to belittle them for how or what they feel even if I do not agree with it. I just think it is sad that people are expressing happiness over it, and I pray that this will never happen to one of their children or someone who is close to them.
 

scott t

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad#post_3419962
Anyone have a good site on statistics on suicides? A lot of what I'm finding, while not exactly being the newest data, is strongly showing suicides on the decrease, down from a high 16% (per 100,000) among 15-24 year olds in 1980s/1990s, to around 9% in the later 2000's.
I suspect a lot of it is a double-edged sword. Not only is facebook/social media responsible for some of these suicides, but because of the available of media today, everyone hears about everything terrible.
Aqua here are some stats for you and everyone else to ponder.

Some Facts About Suicide:
(NOTE: Refrain from using the phrase "commit(ed) suicide." Instead, use "died by suicide" or "completed suicide" when describing a fatal suicide attempt).

  • In the United States, more than 34,000 people die by suicide each year (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC 2007).

  • Suicide is the third leading cause of death among 15 to 24-year-olds, accounting for over 12% of deaths in this age group; only accidents and homicide occur more frequently (National Adolescent Health Information 2006).

  • Suicide is the second leading cause of death on college campuses (CDC 2008).

  • For every completed suicide by a young person, it is estimated that 100 to 200 attempts are made (Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance Survey 2003).

  • Lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth are up to four times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers (Massachusetts Youth Risk Survey 2007).

  • More than 1/3 of LGB youth report having made a suicide attempt (D’Augelli AR - Clinical Child Psychiatry and Psychology 2002)
    Nearly half of young transgender people have seriously thought about taking their lives and one quarter report having made a suicide attempt (Grossman AH, D’Augelli AR - Suicide and Life Threatening Behavior
    2007)
    Questioning youth who are less certain of their sexual orientation report even higher levels of substance abuse and depressed thoughts than their heterosexual or openly LGBT-identified peers (Poteat VP, Aragon SR, et al – Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology
  • 2009)
    LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are more than 8 times as likely to have attempted suicide than LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection (Ryan C, Huebner D, et al - Peds 2009;123(1):346-352)
Additional Facts about Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Youth

Nine out of 10 LGBT students (86.2%) experienced harassment at school; three-fifths (60.8%) felt unsafe at school because of their sexual orientation; and about one-third (32.7%) skipped a day of school in the past month because of feeling unsafe (GLSEN National School Climate Survey 2009).
LGBT students are three times as likely as non-LGBT students to say that they do not feel safe at school (22% vs. 7%) and 90% of LGBT students (vs. 62% of non-LGBT teens) have been harassed or assaulted during the past year. (GLSEN From Teasing to Torment 2006)
Sexual minority youth, or teens that identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, are bullied two to three times more than heterosexuals. (Nationwide Children's Hospital, Columbus, OH 2010)
[*]
Almost all transgender students had been verbally harassed (e.g., called names or threatened in the past year at school because of their sexual orientation (89%) and gender expression (89%) (GLSEN: Harsh Realities, The Experiences of Transgender Youth In Our Nation’s Schools 2009).
[*]
LGBT youth in rural communities and those with lower adult educational attainment face particularly hostile school climates (JG, Greytak EA, Diaz EM – Journal of Youth & Adolescence 2009)
Lesbian, gay, and bisexual adolescents are 190 percent more likely to use drugs and alcohol than are heterosexual teens (Marshal MP, Friedman MS, et al – Addiction 2008).
It is estimated that between 20 and 40 percent of all homeless youth identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, and/or transgender (2006 National Gay & Lesbian Task Force: An Epidemic of Homelessness). 62% of homeless LGB youth will attempt suicide at least once—more than two times as many as their heterosexual peers (Van Leeuwen JMm et al – Child Welfare
2005)
This is very startling to me and very sad also. I was totally wowed when I read this...
 

travelerjp98

Active Member
I don't know what to say about this whole thread. I have so many opinions about it that I don't even know where to start.
 

travelerjp98

Active Member
I honestly don't know where to start. And my opinions contradict each other. But, for one thing, we don't need any laws to stop it. I feel that they would be hard to enforce. But I would like to see suicide rates over the years most of all.
 

travelerjp98

Active Member
Well, I got the numbers.It seems most teen suicides are between 1995-2000.








1950



1960



1970



1980



1990



1995



2000



2001



2002



2003







All ages, age adjusted



13.2



13.2



13.2



13.2



12.5



11.8



10.4



10.7



10.9



10.8







5–14 years



0.2



0.3



0.3



0.4



0.8



0.9



0.7



0.7



0.6



0.6







15–24 years



4.5



5.2



8.8



12.3



13.2



13.0



10.2



9.9



9.9



9.7





15–19 years



2.7



3.6



5.9



8.5



11.1



10.3



8.0

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7.9


7.4



7.3





20–24 years



6.2



7.1



12.2



16.1



15.1



15.8



12.5



12.0



12.4



12.1







25–44 years



11.6



12.2



15.4



15.6



15.2



15.1



13.4



13.8



14.0



13.8







25–34 years



9.1



10.0



14.1



16.0



15.2



15.0



12.0



12.8



12.6



12.7







35–44 years



14.3



14.2



16.9



15.4



15.3



15.1



14.5



14.7



15.3



14.9





45–64 years



23.5



22.0



20.6



15.9



15.3



13.9



13.5

14.4td>


14.9



15.0





45–54 years



20.9



20.7



20.0



15.9



14.8



14.4



14.4



15.2



15.7



15.9







55–64 years



26.8



23.7



21.4



15.9



16.0



13.2



12.1



13.1



13.6



13.8







65 years and over



30.0



24.5



20.8



17.6



20.5



17.9



15.2



15.3



15.6



14.6







65–74 years



29.6



23.0



20.8



16.9



17.9



15.7



12.5



13.3



13.5



12.7





75–84 years



31.1



27.9



21.2



19.1



24.9



20.6



17.6



17.4



17.7



16.4





85 years and over



28.8



26.0



19.0



19.2



22.2



21.3



19.6



17.5



18.0



16.9







Male, all ages



21.2



20.0



19.8



19.9



21.5



20.3



17.7



18.2



18.4



18.0







Female, all ages



5.6



5.6



7.4



5.7



4.8



4.3



4.0



4.0



4.2



4.2
 

scott t

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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad/20#post_3420138
I honestly don't know where to start. And my opinions contradict each other. But, for one thing, we don't need any laws to stop it. I feel that they would be hard to enforce. But I would like to see suicide rates over the years most of all.
That is ok. I am sure that many youth have feelings that contradict each other. I think that there should be safeguards in place and laws to that can and should be enforced for bulling of the youth. There should also be policies in every school that safeguard youth from having to endure this kind of treatment, and there should be punishment for those who commit these kinds of acts. If you want to see stats all you have to do is go to the CDC web site and look for them.
 

reefraff

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90% or more of those who attempt suicide have mental illness or are substance abusers. That pretty much sums it up right there. Lot of other interesting facts. I figured young hormone crazed teens would be the most likely age group, wrong.
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml#factors
 

mantisman51

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/
Bullied by classmates and faculty-bet he doesn't commit suicide.
 

scott t

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad/20#post_3420156
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/
Bullied by classmates and faculty-bet he doesn't commit suicide.
How was this boy bullied? Did he have to go to school everyday into a battlefield with being called names? I agree that is was wrong for this student to be suspended for his beliefs, but no where do I see that he was relentlessly harassed everyday when he enters the school building. There is no comparison from this to what I am addressing.
 

mantisman51

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Do you want me to post the CBN (I know THE ENEMY) interview? Yes he was harassed for days because the teacher made fun of him openly and the kids knew it was open season. I agree with you, though. Whether it's because someone is different for any reason or just because they aren't popular, harassment is inexcusable. I am not, nor have been, homosexual. But because I was a gangly, scrawny and somewhat effeminate kid in junior high, I was relentlessly teased and taunted for being "queer" or a "fag"-even by my own brother who was 1 year older than me. I know how horrible it is. I wouldn't justify it for any reason. I just think that kids will gang up and single a kid out for a myriad of reasons. And none of it is justified. Of course, after I shot up to 6'5" and 185 lbs in my sophomore year, the teasing stopped.
 

scott t

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad/20#post_3420165
Do you want me to post the CBN (I know THE ENEMY) interview? Yes he was harassed for days because the teacher made fun of him openly and the kids knew it was open season. I agree with you, though. Whether it's because someone is different for any reason or just because they aren't popular, harassment is inexcusable. I am not, nor have been, homosexual. But because I was a gangly, scrawny and somewhat effeminate kid in junior high, I was relentlessly teased and taunted for being "queer" or a "fag"-even by my own brother who was 1 year older than me. I know how horrible it is. I wouldn't justify it for any reason. I just think that kids will gang up and single a kid out for a myriad of reasons. And none of it is justified. Of course, after I shot up to 6'5" and 185 lbs in my sophomore year, the teasing stopped.

It isnt just that this kid was homosexual that I think it is sad, I think it is sad that any youth no matter who or what they are should have to endue any sort of bulling at all. It is wrong for it to be done to anyone, and not everyone is as strong as others are, there should be an awareness and safeguards in place to protect youths that are.
 

travelerjp98

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In my opinion, bullying has always been here and will always be here. It just matters to what extent it is being done.
 

stdreb27

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott T http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad/20#post_3420162
How was this boy bullied? Did he have to go to school everyday into a battlefield with being called names? I agree that is was wrong for this student to be suspended for his beliefs, but no where do I see that he was relentlessly harassed everyday when he enters the school building. There is no comparison from this to what I am addressing.
political views preached at you in german class seems like bullying to me...
 

reefraff

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott T http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad/20#post_3420166
It isnt just that this kid was homosexual that I think it is sad, I think it is sad that any youth no matter who or what they are should have to endue any sort of bulling at all. It is wrong for it to be done to anyone, and not everyone is as strong as others are, there should be an awareness and safeguards in place to protect youths that are.
Yeah well you got that first amendment thingy. Schools have no right to dictate what happens off school grounds and with certain issues no right to dictate what a student says on school grounds if it's covered speech. Parents on the other hand do have the right to tell their kids to shut their mouths.
 

bang guy

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This has been big news here locally since it happened. I'm a little annoyed that the press would not have made a big deal of it had the kid been straight. The problem as I see it is that parents are not parenting their children. They rely completely on the school and the internet to raise their kids. I would bet my paycheck that the parents of the bullies had absolutely no idea what their kid was doing to this poor child.
 

mantisman51

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/388070/this-is-so-sad/20#post_3420480
This has been big news here locally since it happened. I'm a little annoyed that the press would not have made a big deal of it had the kid been straight. The problem as I see it is that parents are not parenting their children. They rely completely on the school and the internet to raise their kids. I would bet my paycheck that the parents of the bullies had absolutely no idea what their kid was doing to this poor child.
I agree completely, but you can't take the parents of the suicidal kid out of the equation. I was bullied badly-like afraid to get off the bus and get inside the school afraid-but I didn't kill myself. I won't go over what I think is the real reason for his suicide, but the parents of a kid so weak as to kill himself have to take 50% of the blame as well.
 
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