This makes me sick....

[mantisman51]

The reason I stick to "Hispanic" for race categorization is because of the politicization that La (klan with a tan) Raza has put on "Mexican". First, Mexican is nothing more than a national identity. "Mexican-Americans" are no more "Mexican" than I am "Irish". I want to see us drop the fragmentation of our national identity. I feel no love or brotherhood with Ireland-as my dad always said, if it was such a great place, we'd still be there. La (klan with a tan) Raza uses the term "Mexican" to denote separation and loyalty to a foreign nation. Hispanics of all national origins will make up the majority in America by 2040. If we have a large percentage of American citizens who put a loyalty to a foreign country ahead of their loyalty to America, we will be in deep trouble. Hispanic or "Mexican-Americans" are Americans with all the rights and priviledges that come with it and I have many friends, and yes family, who are "Mexican-American". They get a little(lot) irritated when referred to as "Mexican". As my brother-in-law Bobby told me, he feels discounted as an American when people identify him as a citizen of a foreign country, ie, "Mexican".

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/20#post_3464389
Oh I see it now, I saw million on the population, it was bright red and I just glanced at it...thinking I was wrong on billions...
113 billion on food stamps and compared to 716 billion on defence...it still doesn't look like the majority to me, which is what I was accused of missing....and whatever a pink nazi is.
The people in charge have to step up and do their job. You know when welfare first started, a caseworker would come to the house and search for proof of others living in the home and cut the benifits.They would check the fridge for proper food. Then it became too much for the casewrokers and they stopped the constant searches. Now it's all paperwork. Also to date, the WIC program in Wisconsin has brands that their voucher pays for. My daughter used to get WIC assistance and she had a list of foods it would pay for. The goal was to teach young mothers about nutrition and feeding their children properly for heath and growth.
So it isn't like we don't have the technology to regulate what can be purchased with the swipe card they offer. However standing in the chckout line and glaring at the people will only make you mad, it won't solve a thing and you could misjudge the situation if you did say something. It isn't anybodies business at that point. We can write to our government and we can push for better regulations on such things. The system is abused and overused. It needs an overhaul, but there are people who really need that assistance and if it goes away, those people are in serious trouble. So getting rid of assistance is not the solution.
I don't like hearing and seeing people abuse the system, that includes taxes and shoplifting. I hate to see cheaters, users and abusers getting anything. However if you really want a change...there are ways of being heard and making a difference. I just disagree that the checkout line is the place.
The pink Nazis are code pink who lie through their teeth about issues of war. Fact is we have a set amount that is required to operate the department of defense war or no war. If we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan those costs all still remain

 

[mantisman51]

p.s. Bobby served 3 tours in Vietnam in the Army. I think he's earned the right to be called simply, "American".

 

[beth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/20#post_3464433
In Arizona you do have to be a citizen-Prop 200. Also, look up racial categorization.
Notice the races are listed on the horizonal axis, while the ethic subgroups of "Hispanic" is on the vertical. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race.
Race of Major Hispanic groups (2010 US Census)
(self-identified race)[sup][42][/sup]




Hispanic Group



Total



White



Black



Indian



Asian



Mixed







Mexican



31,798,258 - 100%



16,794,111 - 52.8%



296,778 - 0.9%



460,098 - 1.4%



101,654 - 0.3%



14,145,617 - 44.6%







Puerto Rican



4,623,716 - 100%



2,455,534 - 53.1%



403,372 - 8.7%



42,504 - 0.9%



24,312 - 0.5%



1,697,681 - 36.7%



_Cuba.svg/22px-Flag_of_Cuba.svg.png" width="22" /> Cuban


1,785,547 - 100%



1,525,521 - 85.4%



82,398 - 4.6%



3,002 - 0.2%



4,391 - 0.2%



170,235 - 9.5%





Salvadoran



1,648,968 - 100%



663,224 - 40.2%



16,150 - 1.0%



17,682 - 1.1%



4,737 - 0.3%



947,175 - 57.5







Dominican



1,414,703 - 100%



419,016 - 29.6%



182,005 - 12.9%



19,183 - 1.4%



4,056 - 0.3%



790,443 - 55.8%







Guatemalan



1,044,209 - 100%



401,763 - 38.5%



11,471 - 1.1%



31,171 - 3.0%



2,386 - 0.2%



597,392 - 57.3%







All other



4,087,656 - 100%



2,018,397 - 49.4%



112,521 - 2.8%



75,976 - 1.9%



50,299 - 1.2%



1,830,463 - 44.9%







Total



50,477,594 - 100%



26,735,713 - 53.0%



1,243,471 - 2.5%



685,150 - 1.4%



209,128 - 0.4%



21,604,132 - 42.8%

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/20#post_3464307
reef, take a look at the link i provided.....it will breakdown pretty good...i didnt realize how much we spend on "family nutrition assistance" alone. it also includes housing and other aspects. just click the various drop downs. it will break down everything pretty good.
It might add up but it's still a drop in the bucket compared to overall federal spending. Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare and interest on the debt make up half of the federal budget alone. Military is another 19%. That remaining 31% ain't all welfare. This is the stuff I learned back in the 90's working with the Concord Coalition. Between Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare plus other "mandatory spending" you are talking about 56% of government spending. You can cut all the fat and corruption you want but you'll never deal with the budget issue without reforming Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/40#post_3464455
Notice the races are listed on the horizonal axis, while the ethic subgroups of "Hispanic" is on the vertical. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race.
Race of Major Hispanic groups (2010 US Census)
(self-identified race)[sup][42][/sup]




Hispanic Group



Total



White



Black



Indian



Asian



Mixed







Mexican



31,798,258 - 100%



16,794,111 - 52.8%



296,778 - 0.9%



460,098 - 1.4%



101,654 - 0.3%



14,145,617 - 44.6%







Puerto Rican



4,623,716 - 100%



2,455,534 - 53.1%



403,372 - 8.7%



42,504 - 0.9%



24,312 - 0.5%



1,697,681 - 36.7%



Cuba.svg.png" width="22" /> Cuban


1,785,547 - 100%



1,525,521 - 85.4%



82,398 - 4.6%



3,002 - 0.2%



4,391 - 0.2%



170,235 - 9.5%





Salvadoran



1,648,968 - 100%



663,224 - 40.2%



16,150 - 1.0%



17,682 - 1.1%



4,737 - 0.3%



947,175 - 57.5







Dominican



1,414,703 - 100%



419,016 - 29.6%



182,005 - 12.9%



19,183 - 1.4%



4,056 - 0.3%



790,443 - 55.8%







Guatemalan



1,044,209 - 100%



401,763 - 38.5%



11,471 - 1.1%



31,171 - 3.0%



2,386 - 0.2%



597,392 - 57.3%







All other



4,087,656 - 100%



2,018,397 - 49.4%



112,521 - 2.8%



75,976 - 1.9%



50,299 - 1.2%



1,830,463 - 44.9%







Total



50,477,594 - 100%



26,735,713 - 53.0%



1,243,471 - 2.5%



685,150 - 1.4%



209,128 - 0.4%



21,604,132 - 42.8%



Yeah. There is a little change in thinking recently but basically there are 3 races, Black, White and Asian genetically speaking.

 

[darthtang aw]

I did not say welfare. I said social service.
Social service includes many forms of hand outs. Not just welfare. Collectively these account for a higher total than the defense budget.
Flower, you stated the WARS cost more than our Welfare. Not the entire Military Budget. The wars DO NOT cost more than our welfare costs.
Under the heathcare breakdown. 323 billion of that budget goes to "welfare" style medical care. not medicare.
Scholarship funding to states (which is a form of welfare) accounts for 20 billion
Total welfare programs cost 451 billion. This includes unemployment, housing, school lunches, and food stamps. with a few other misc programs as well.
This also does not add in the costs to pay the federal agencies that over see these areas. I did not take the time to break those down. If someone wants to do this by all means go ahead. But even without those agency costs, we provide 700 billion dollars of free care/stuff a year to our citizens. That total, does NOT include social security or medicare. otherwise we could add another 600 billion.
So yes, it is more than the wars.
And Yes, social services take up the majority of our budget once we add in social security, medicare, veteran care, and other such social programs.
Oh, someone mentioned foreign aid we send out military and social foreign aid combined are 56 billion. That accounts for a very small amount of our budget. am I against cutting it? No......

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/40#post_3464465
I did not say welfare. I said social service.
Social service includes many forms of hand outs. Not just welfare. Collectively these account for a higher total than the defense budget.
Flower, you stated the WARS cost more than our Welfare. Not the entire Military Budget. The wars DO NOT cost more than our welfare costs.
Under the heathcare breakdown. 323 billion of that budget goes to "welfare" style medical care. not medicare.
Scholarship funding to states (which is a form of welfare) accounts for 20 billion
Total welfare programs cost 451 billion. This includes unemployment, housing, school lunches, and food stamps. with a few other misc programs as well.
This also does not add in the costs to pay the federal agencies that over see these areas. I did not take the time to break those down. If someone wants to do this by all means go ahead. But even without those agency costs, we provide 700 billion dollars of free care/stuff a year to our citizens. That total, does NOT include social security or medicare. otherwise we could add another 600 billion.
So yes, it is more than the wars.
And Yes, social services take up the majority of our budget once we add in social security, medicare, veteran care, and other such social programs.
Oh, someone mentioned foreign aid we send out military and social foreign aid combined are 56 billion. That accounts for a very small amount of our budget. am I against cutting it? No......
No way will I accept the belly aching I have been reading to cover Foreign aid, educational grants and Veteran care. The original thread was whinning about fat ladies with fancy cars purchasing ding dongs on the tax payers dollar.

...LOL
I did say wars, and no budget is on the list about what was spent on the last one. I am not referring to the soldiers pay either. The cost of smart bombs, and stealth fighters and such. The equipment that was lost or blown up...that is not on the list, since the list provided is a budget for the year 2012.
I googled the cost of the last war...the number is so large I don't know how to read it...so I wrote them down. I admit I am not the sharpest tool in the shed on such matters, but the number looks lots bigger than the one on all the handouts your are talking about.
Afghanistan....$508,145,801,063
Iraq...$801,698,801,463

 

[beth]

Combined, that amts to $1,309,844,602,126
Nearly 1.3 trillion, give or take a few billion.

 

[darthtang aw]

 
No way will I accept the belly aching I have been reading to cover Foreign aid, educational grants and Veteran care. The original thread was whinning about fat ladies with fancy cars purchasing ding dongs on the tax payers dollar.  :ideclare: ...LOL
I did say wars, and no budget is on the list about what was spent on the last one. I am not referring to the soldiers pay either. The cost of smart bombs, and stealth fighters and such. The equipment that was lost or blown up...that is not on the list, since the list provided is a budget for the year 2012.
I googled the cost of the last war...the number is so large I don't know how to read it...so I wrote them down. I admit I am not the sharpest tool in the shed on such matters, but the number looks lots bigger than the one on all the handouts your are talking about.
Afghanistan....$508,145,801,063
Iraq...$801,698,801,463
That is 508 billion for afganistan. Total. We spend near that on just welfare in a year. Out of that 508 billion we can remove the salaries that are used in that figure for our military troops. As that is factored in the military defense budget already.
The same goes for Afghanistan.
Veterans care is also included in the military budget. so lets also remove foreign aid and educational grants from my previous figures. Oh wait, I did not add them in for 700 billion dollars figure. Education grants take it down to 680 billion dollars A YEAR.
Afghanistan has been going on for 10 years. Cost to us per year averages out to 50 billion. Iraq is 9 years so lets round up and call it 90 billion per year. 130 billion a year compared to 680 billion a year? Nope, the wars cost less still.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/40#post_3464485
That is 508 billion for afganistan. Total. We spend near that on just welfare in a year. Out of that 508 billion we can remove the salaries that are used in that figure for our military troops. As that is factored in the military defense budget already.
The same goes for Afghanistan.
Veterans care is also included in the military budget. so lets also remove foreign aid and educational grants from my previous figures. Oh wait, I did not add them in for 700 billion dollars figure. Education grants take it down to 680 billion dollars A YEAR.
Afghanistan has been going on for 10 years. Cost to us per year averages out to 50 billion. Iraq is 9 years so lets round up and call it 90 billion per year. 130 billion a year compared to 680 billion a year? Nope, the wars cost less still.
I admit I can't read numbers that large...It sure looked like a bigger number to me. I am not busting the chops of our cost to protect the country. That wasn't the intent when I mentioned the war, I'm just saying that we need reform in the welfare ..services... or whatever title you give it. However getting all upset at the lady at the checkout doesn't do any good. which was my only point.

 

[beth]

mantisman51, speaking as someone from Hispanic ethnicity on my mom's side of the family, I am 3rd generation removed from country of origin. There is not much danger of Hispanics as a whole in this country to have any kind of allegiance or loyalty with another country. By the 2nd generation out your loyalty is more to this country, even if culturally you are still very much Hispanic. By 3rd and 4th generation, there is frequently not much Hispanic left and no desire to be anything but American.

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/40#post_3464512
mantisman51, speaking as someone from Hispanic ethnicity on my mom's side of the family, I am 3rd generation removed from country of origin. There is not much danger of Hispanics as a whole in this country to have any kind of allegiance or loyalty with another country. By the 2nd generation out your loyalty is more to this country, even if culturally you are still very much Hispanic. By 3rd and 4th generation, there is frequently not much Hispanic left and no desire to be anything but American.
Yeah but if you believe the polling (which I don't) they are willing to see our laws ignored so illegals, most of which share their ethnicity can take advantage of our system. I dun't know who they are polling but none of the people I know, all Mexican heritage, are for ignoring the problem. I spent my high school years living in a Barrio area and the English speakers were pretty friggin patriotic towards the USofA.

 

[mantisman51]

Reef hit it on the head. I have several family members that are Hispanic and they all are VERY American. They are towards Mexico the way I am toward Ireland-we don't give a crap. But if you listen to ALL the Hispanics they have on the news and look at EVERY poll, all that you see is "Mexican-Americans are against enforcing immigration laws. Mexican-Americans oppose welfare reform. Mexican-Americans feel insulted with the word 'illegal immigrant'. Mexican-Americans say anyone who supports closing the border is racist..." ad nauseum. Then throw in La Raza(with over 10 million members) saying America was stolen from Mexico and "Mexican-Americans" think there ought to be unlimited immigration from Mexico as a "payback". Millions of "Mexican-Americans" marching throughout America with Mexican flags demanding all Mexican illegals be legalized. Hm, now that I think about it, I really can't see why anyone would question their loyalty.

 

[siptang]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/20#post_3464268
Sip....How do I word this....????
These "parasites" are not draining the country dry. This country spends billions on other countries, they spend billions on top of billions to find out if the planet Mercury has water. Then you have government grants to professors to spend a year to find out why frogs have spots. Billions and billions of your tax dollars on some of the most ridicules things imaginable.
You see the poor and the uneducated everyday and you pick up on the waste of money the government spends by subsidizing their housing and food, but believe me...those people are not dragging down our country. The system itself is in trouble because more people are pulling out of the SS funds then those who pay in. Those who get SS because they have reached retirement age and have the mordacity to live too long, or retire early early because of disability, the children of dead folks who died too young, the young who claim drug addiction and can't work to care for themselves, the mentally unstable and retarded who can't take care of themselves, the young stupid girl who dosen't even know who the daddy of their child is...all these make up the people who are on SSI. The only ones paying into the kitty are the folks who work. So a portion of the government funds go to take up the slack.
The money the government wastes are far beyond the welfare system. The biggest drain on the country and your tax dollars is the wars we keep fighting in other countries..not only do we spend tribillions to bomb them...we spend the same to rebuild them afterward.
Flower - I think you have missed my point and misunderstood what I wrote. I have no problem with needy using the system.
People that I have called the "parasites" were the ones that doesn't qualify for the program and yet still taking advantage of it illegally.
I do not condone on supporting wars that is not ours but that is a separate matter on it's own entirely and I do agree with you that government waste money on useless crap.
But politicians were considered as crooked and parasites from long ago so it's nothing new.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Siptang http:///t/390903/this-makes-me-sick/40#post_3464633
Flower - I think you have missed my point and misunderstood what I wrote. I have no problem with needy using the system.
People that I have called the "parasites" were the ones that doesn't qualify for the program and yet still taking advantage of it illegally.
I do not condone on supporting wars that is not ours but that is a separate matter on it's own entirely and I do agree with you that government waste money on useless crap.
But politicians were considered as crooked and parasites from long ago so it's nothing new.
LOL...I need my dizzy head icon again...My only point was to not jump to the conclusion of people being a "parasite" based on what you think you see. Peeking over peoples shoulders to see how they pay for their junk food and such. Our problems in Government are bigger and way too complex for me to even really comment. All said and done, I still am glad to be an American. I have no desire to even visit other countries. We may be far from perfect but it's plenty good enough for me.
Beyond voting the right folks in (we haven't done it yet) I can't see any changes being done to fix whats wrong...but I'm sure stewing over those things, and getting all spitting mad won't do a thing except...make you sick. Stress will kill you, and it isn't like we don't have enough drama in our own lives to keep us frustrated and pulling our hair out.

 

[reefraff]

If you aren't mad you aren't paying attention.