Tiller the baby killer killed.

t316

t316

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3053953
Justifiable Homicide IMHO
Tiller the Baby Killer murdered his last child .
And I most certainly agree with you, but that's not how our law is written. Our predecesors came up with this system, and we currently agree to honor it. He very well may go down as a "martyr", but his actions were First Degree Murder in and of itself, and should be treated as such.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3053797
I am sorry for his family and the family of the perpetrator. Killing in defense of one's family, country or to stop a crime in progress is one thing, but cold-blooded murder like this is deploreable.
I agree. Both families will be stricken.
The killer (the one that killed the abortionist) felt justified in saving countless lives by removing this guy from the human race. Unfortunately they were wrong (imo) in taking it upon themselves to play God. I don't condone killing either by the whacko Christian dude or the baby killer. If guy 1 had not performed evil acts of murder, guy #2 would not have murdered him.. I don't believe in karma, but those of you that do may see a pattern here...
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3053961
And I most certainly agree with you, but that's not how our law is written. Our predecesors came up with this system, and we currently agree to honor it. He very well may go down as a "martyr", but his actions were First Degree Murder in and of itself, and should be treated as such.
No one is above the law and he will get his day in court with a jury of his peers who will decide his fate.But as of yet the man isnt guilty of anything just yet.
 
lovethesea

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3053852
lovethesea,. I can't imagine this getting hot. .

really..........you obviously haven't been swimmin' in these waters very long. Nothing like politics and religion in them there hills..........

I am positive that most folks disagree with murder either way. But it is the words that are used to fuel the fire. IBTL was invent here I believe.

For the record...
Coconut creme pie is the BEST!!!

scotts.....fruit=

(just for the record)
 
tangman99

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The guy who killed him should be tried for 1st degree premeditated murder. However, I have no love-loss for the guy he killed.
 
yearofthenick

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Regardless of what this man did for a living, it was not right for anyone to take his life. What arrogance some people have to think they have the right to decide another person's fate like this.
WHat surprises me is this man had kids and grandkids, and even volunteered at his local church!. I would have really liked to hear his justifications for late-term abortions.... at the surface level, he seems like an admirable guy.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3053992
Was what Tiller was doing, providing late-term abortions, legal or not? Or sort of gray area?
I thought about that too, but I'm assuming "legal" since he was a member of the church and not in hiding or anything.
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3053995
Regardless of what this man did for a living, it was not right for anyone to take his life. What arrogance some people have to think they have the right to decide another person's fate like this.
WHat surprises me is this man had kids and grandkids, and even volunteered at his local church!. I would have really liked to hear his justifications for late-term abortions.... at the surface level, he seems like an admirable guy.
The "justification" for abortion has many explanations. I have learned my lesson about starting abortion threads, but for the record...I am against abortions with the exceptions of ----,

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, or mother's health. I have taken fire for this "middle line" approach, but more than welcome to take more if anyone is in the mood to dish it out. Afteralll, my guess is that this is what this OP was after in the first place.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3054004
I thought about that too, but I'm assuming "legal" since he was a member of the church and not in hiding or anything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion
http://www.guttmacher.org/statecente.../spib_PLTA.pdf
I guess technically it is legal. %% Some of it is over my head, but it varies state to state, in Kansas, it's fetal viability, meaning the age when 50% of fetuses reach, they could survive being born. Which I seem to find the common answer as 24 weeks. Which doesn't make a ton of sense, because the second link differs the states that have 24 week limits and Viability ilmits.

I think this might be part of some peoples reaction. They hear the term "late-term abortion" and think some 8-month old fetus that ready to pop out are getting aborted, which is obviously not the case.
So to answer the OP, yea, it would have mattered if this was legal or not. If Tiller's actions were illegal, my feelings would have been that this guy is a savior(to strong a term, I know, but at 6:30, that's all I got) and shouldn't have to spend a day in jail. However, being that Tiller's actions were legal, I hope the gunman fries and how anyone can support that is mind-blowing to me. If the majority of people felt that way about abortions, the laws would have changed. However, this guy was just doing his job, which he felt as right.
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/3054004
The "justification" for abortion has many explanations. I have learned my lesson about starting abortion threads, but for the record...I am against abortions with the exceptions of ----,

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, or mother's health. I have taken fire for this "middle line" approach, but more than welcome to take more if anyone is in the mood to dish it out. Afteralll, my guess is that this is what this OP was after in the first place.
I believe this is what 95% of people would feel as acceptable. The problem happens when you get half-truth cases, some girl claims she was raped, but it just might have been she got too drunk at a party, and out of her own accord became pregnant. And that's when the split happens. People either want to close the system for everyone, or those that accept there will be abuse of the system, but for those that truly need it, those are the costs.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3054042
Whether you feel what he was doing was wrong or not, it was 100% legal.
Legality vs Morality
Either way the baby killer is dead now and wont be committing legalized murder anymore. I do feel for his wife ,children and loved ones,as i do for the babies, future grandparents and fathers that where deprived.
Its something that is clearly disturbing any way you look at it.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3053995
Regardless of what this man did for a living, it was not right for anyone to take his life. What arrogance some people have to think they have the right to decide another person's fate like this.
The same could be said about a Dr. that preforms late term abortions on babies that can clearly survive outside the womb.
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3053995
WHat surprises me is this man had kids and grandkids, and even volunteered at his local church!. I would have really liked to hear his justifications for late-term abortions.... at the surface level, he seems like an admirable guy.
John Wayne Gacey was a Clown at kids parties,if im not mistaken he had a family too.%%
 
ironeagle2006

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Under Kansas Law a Late Term Abortion the NEED had to be VERIFED by 2 INDEPENDANT DOCTORS. However Tiller well he was USING ANOTHER DOC IN HIS PRACTICE and under threat of TILLER NOT PAYING HER MALPRACTICE INSURANCE she verified the need for everyone. Now Obamas HHS knew Tiller was doing this and Stopped EVERY inverstigation into him well he lost that protection when she was bumped from the Governor of KS into the Health and Human Services Sec earlier this year.
I for one was thinking that Dr Tiller would be charged do the perp walk and go to Jail NOT GET FREAKING GET BLOWN AWAY.
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3053963
No one is above the law and he will get his day in court with a jury of his peers who will decide his fate.But as of yet the man isnt guilty of anything just yet.
Nor was Dr. Tiller convicted of anything, yet his fate was decided without the benefit of a jury of his peers.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3054047
The same could be said about a Dr. that preforms late term abortions on babies that can clearly survive outside the womb.
John Wayne Gacey was a Clown at kids parties,if im not mistaken he had a family too.

But Gacy was not murdered in a church foyer. He was executed, legally, by the state of Illinois.
 
bionicarm

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It's deplorable to think someone would have no remorse about the death of an innocent person simply because you didn't agree with his values and principles. Kind of being a hypocrit if you ask me. I don't agree with some of these religious zealots out there who try and push their agenda and beliefs on me, but I'd never resort to killing one because I disagree with their viewpoints. The guy had a target on his back for years because the hoilier than thou thought what he was doing was wrong. You ask me, the people who feel it was justified in him getting killed for what he had done in his profession are no better than he was.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3053963
No one is above the law and he will get his day in court with a jury of his peers who will decide his fate.But as of yet the man isnt guilty of anything just yet.
You're not serious are you? This nutcase walks into this guy's church, shoots him point blank in front of several witnesses, and you don't think he's he's guilty of anything yet? What backwards planet do you live on?
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3054059
You're not serious are you? This nutcase walks into this guy's church, shoots him point blank in front of several witnesses, and you don't think he's he's guilty of anything yet? What backwards planet do you live on?
Yes i am..... Im from the plant *** where we believe in a unborn childs right to life even if its a inconvenienced to the mother.
 
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