To all Trigger lovers

[fastazzr1]

Originally Posted by kempy
Quick thought,
I just entered this hobby but one thing that became abundantly clear right away was that each marine fish has a personality, maybe not an advanced one, buy it's there none the less. Being as such I think there's really no absolute way of knowing what's going to eat what and what's going to get along with what. Yes we can give statistically based bets but no "yes" or "no" answer. Try new things within the hobby and learn based on the results. All this 'bashing' of what's right and wrong that I read in some of these forums (especially the agressive fish forum) is really just a best guess on the antagonist's part. Nothing wrong with taking some calculated risks; how would this hobby ever advance without them?
i agree. ill let you know what happens after a couple of years.

 

[hatessushi]

Originally Posted by BIGMAN
sorry if i sound so stubburen but ive done this succesfully before, and im talking from experience not out of my butt,there are always people saying things wont wk but they turn out to in most cases, for example me and my fresh water i had red devils oscer, paronas and pacus and other agressive fish for over 8 years and i can keep going on and on i also have 5 pitbulls and 3 chiuahuas and 2 mastifs and i was told that it cold not happen and they all get along and none are fixed i have had them for the past 3 years as well.
You said you have done this before and have a lot of experience then why in your very first post on this thread are you asking for names of triggers that are rare and available for a tank. This is not a flame, I was just curious. I have no doubt that the triggers are fine now. It's not a matter of if they will kill each other down to one left but a matter of when. I have one trigger, an Indian Trigger and I love the fish and I would like to have others since they are smart and pretty fish (most of them) but I am not willing to put them through the cruel and unusual punishment of a closed tank where it is inevitable that they will kill. Any trigger will kill, even the so called reef safe ones, it's just a matter of time. But i wish you good luck and I hope the fish do well :happyfish

 

[bigman]

the reason why i asked that question is because there are always fish out there that we dont know about, if you look at my fish list you will see i have most of the common triggers.and remember the friend i was talking about he happens to be fastazzr1 and we find it funny how most people on here always talk about something is going to kill something . No matter what size tank we have it seems like some will never be satisfied.

 

[bigman]

Originally Posted by kempy
BIGMAN
Could you post the sizes (est.) of each one of your triggers?
Thx
My clown trigger is about 8-9 inches , the rest are about 6inchs my undy is about 7inchs , and my blue jaw is about 3,. and so far no deaths in the tank do to aggresion.

 

[alfon76]

Sounds like a very impressive setup but, like I isad in another one of your threads, do not take the poor attitude of making the fish suffer for your impulsiveness. Triggers are known for being nasty and very territorial and it is impossible to provide them in captivity with the amount of space they defend or patrol in nature regardless of the species. If your triggers start killing each other do yourself and the fishes a favor, and do not keep adding more triggers to get killed or to prove a point. Keep in mind that it is situations like this that makes organizations like PETA be constantly pressuring to ban fish keeping.
Be responsible and provide the best care for your fishes, and that includes appropriate tankmates and environment. I am sure you mean well, but it comes across a bit harsh. As far as I am concerned, I am hoping all your triggers get along for life as it will be one heck of an amazing display.
Good luck,
Ivan

 

[bigman]

Originally Posted by alfon76
Sounds like a very impressive setup but, like I isad in another one of your threads, do not take the poor attitude of making the fish suffer for your impulsiveness. Triggers are known for being nasty and very territorial and it is impossible to provide them in captivity with the amount of space they defend or patrol in nature regardless of the species. If your triggers start killing each other do yourself and the fishes a favor, and do not keep adding more triggers to get killed or to prove a point. Keep in mind that it is situations like this that makes organizations like PETA be constantly pressuring to ban fish keeping.
Be responsible and provide the best care for your fishes, and that includes appropriate tankmates and environment. I am sure you mean well, but it comes across a bit harsh. As far as I am concerned, I am hoping all your triggers get along for life as it will be one heck of an amazing display.
Good luck,
Ivan
boy don't i agree with ya

you make a great point and my sole purpose os to have a bitching disply tank and triggers are what i chose , i do have the fishes saftey first and thats why i peovide more than enough food and hiding spots, i understand thing may not go as planed its just that i have not had any fish kill another . thanks for the good luck comments you are one of the only non -negitive people on this site. It one thing to voice an opion but to keep harping on someone thats another, there is alot of haters on this website but i thank you for the remarks made both positive and concerning.

 

[alfon76]

You are welcome. I have learned to always be neutral but still offer advice. Nothing is guaranteed to happen in this hobby and that's why I really hope all your triggers get along happily. If they don't, then now you know what not to do again and learn from that. But do keep in mind that most of the folks here do not mean to attack you but rather are very concerned that your trigger might decide to go into a "kill all" mode, as most triggers are known to do here and there.
In any case, keep a good eye on them and make sure to remove any attackers. I have seen Queen triggers in action in their native waters and they are some mean fishes. If you manage to keep all your guys in harmony, you will need to become the fish whisperer and get your own TV show, LOL. Anyway, I do mean it when I wish you good luck and please do share some pics of the setup as I would like to see those gouys all together in there.
Ivan

 

[bigman]

well thankyou, and i have done this type of thing before with the triggers, my good friend is fastazzr1 on this site and i have been looking at his 135 gallon for the past 2 years with all these triggers in there and no problem what so ever. thats what mad me want to go with a trigger mostly tank. But to be honest you never know whats gonna happen with any fish in any tank its all trial and error and so far so good and i always have backup tanks available incase one does start to get alittle nasty.

 

[stickman]

hey wow just saw your tank was 2 weeks old...and all those triggers already in it.

wow!!!

 

[johnbob]

Originally Posted by BIGMAN
there is alot of haters on this website but i thank you for the remarks made both positive and concerning.

I think you mean "alot of people with common sense". The people in this thread are trying to give you some much needed advice and you are too stubborn to accept it. You remind me of that guy who never did water changes, he wouldn't take anybody's advice and said that he would keep us posted and laugh in our face, because his tank would be fine. Its been over a year since I've last heard from him and i doubt his tank is doing fine. But its your money and your tank so do what you want with it.

 

[aw2x3]

Originally Posted by Johnbob
I think you mean "alot of people with common sense". The people in this thread are trying to give you some much needed advice and you are too stubborn to accept it. You remind me of that guy who never did water changes, he wouldn't take anybody's advice and said that he would keep us posted and laugh in our face, because his tank would be fine. Its been over a year since I've last heard from him and i doubt his tank is doing fine. But its your money and your tank so do what you want with it.
Whole heartedly agree!!

 

[bigman]

Originally Posted by Johnbob
I think you mean "alot of people with common sense". The people in this thread are trying to give you some much needed advice and you are too stubborn to accept it. You remind me of that guy who never did water changes, he wouldn't take anybody's advice and said that he would keep us posted and laugh in our face, because his tank would be fine. Its been over a year since I've last heard from him and i doubt his tank is doing fine. But its your money and your tank so do what you want with it.

Sure common sense ? lol Its not common sense its just an opion cause nobody not even me or the fish gods now whats going to happen in any of our tanks. And the funny thing about all this is that the original thread had nothing to do with the " Much Needed advice that is supposed given to me" I dont mind advice but people cant get pissed off when i dont wanna or dont agree with them. People need to read before they reply.

 

[fastazzr1]

Originally Posted by Johnbob
I think you mean "alot of people with common sense". The people in this thread are trying to give you some much needed advice and you are too stubborn to accept it. You remind me of that guy who never did water changes, he wouldn't take anybody's advice and said that he would keep us posted and laugh in our face, because his tank would be fine. Its been over a year since I've last heard from him and i doubt his tank is doing fine. But its your money and your tank so do what you want with it.
No, he was right. there are alot of haters on this web site. i understand that most of you are concerned and your offering advice based on your own experiences with triggers. and its much appreciated, but keep in mind that because you had a bad experience doesnt mean im going to have the same experience. then the others are just either agreeing or giving there .02 cents based on what they heard, they have no experience and some dont even have a tank. it has nothing to do with being stubborn, its being able to have a choice without you or others(the fish gods)telling me what i can and can not have in my tank because you feel that my fish are going to kill each other. alot of you(the fish gods) have made predictions or have stated that it will only be about a year or even shorter before these fish start to snap and go psycho, but yet i have had these current triggers together for the past 2 years. and a previous tank full of triggers for 5 years. so based on my experience that would make it look like either you dont know what your talking about or your a hater. you choose. but i've choose to have triggers. respect that and leave it alone.

 

[aw2x3]

I don't see how you can call the people "haters". We're not envious of you, for having Triggers in your tank...someone who is a "hater" is mad because you have something that they don't, or you have something that they want. I don't see any of that going on here.
What is going on, is you have many people who have had long term experiance with the certain species of fish you're talking about and we're trying to give you good advice, so you don't lose your fish.
You have no idea what some of our backgrounds are, so you cant say "then the others are just either agreeing or giving there .02 cents based on what they heard, they have no experience and some dont even have a tank". You'd be surprised at the backgrounds of some of us.
What you're doing is not going to work, plain and simple. I certainly can believe that you had those fish in your tank for 5 years. Is it likely, no...it's not. But, there have been a very few cases that it's been done. That doesn't mean you accomplished anything and I highly doubt that you kept those fish, for that long, without losing any of them.
Have you ever seen these fish in the wild and witnessed how aggressive and territorial they are, as adults? Have you ever had a 20" Queen Trigger chase you down, while diving, because you entered it's territory? No??...I have, on numerous occasions. Have you ever been harassed by a 15" Clown Trigger? No??...didn't think so.

 

[fastazzr1]

Originally Posted by AW2x3
I don't see how you can call the people "haters". We're not envious of you, for having Triggers in your tank...someone who is a "hater" is mad because you have something that they don't, or you have something that they want. I don't see any of that going on here.
What is going on, is you have many people who have had long term experiance with the certain species of fish you're talking about and we're trying to give you good advice, so you don't lose your fish.
You have no idea what some of our backgrounds are, so you cant say "then the others are just either agreeing or giving there .02 cents based on what they heard, they have no experience and some dont even have a tank". You'd be surprised at the backgrounds of some of us.
What you're doing is not going to work, plain and simple. I certainly can believe that you had those fish in your tank for 5 years. Is it likely, no...it's not. But, there have been a very few cases that it's been done. That doesn't mean you accomplished anything and I highly doubt that you kept those fish, for that long, without losing any of them.
Have you ever seen these fish in the wild and witnessed how aggressive and territorial they are, as adults? Have you ever had a 20" Queen Trigger chase you down, while diving, because you entered it's territory? No??...I have, on numerous occasions. Have you ever been harassed by a 15" Clown Trigger? No??...didn't think so.
lets break this down. frist, if you read the question that was asked in this post it was asking what other triggers are out there. what rare triggers are out there. no one asked how to or how many triggers one can or should keep in there tank. but i guess the fish gods felt it was there duty to tell you that only so many can be kept together and really shouldnt be kept together at all. i dont recall when that question was asked, but thank you for your insight fish god. second, your right. i dont know anything about any of you just as you dont know anything about me(i dive as well), i have not had any triggers chase me down as of yet(except for the one that chase my hand while im cleaning my tank) and hope that never happens. but why are you speaking of triggers in the wild when were talking about the one that are in some of our tanks. i dont know, but i dont really think my triggers will get that size in my tank. as for what you do and dont believe, that means nothing to me. i have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. i know what i have and what i've done. you may or may not be a hater,i dont know. but what i do know is no one asked you for your .02 cents on trigger safety. but being that the size of our tanks are very different(mines being an in home tank and your being the ocean). i'll stick to the one that in my home that i can control and you stick to the one where your the food. i can understand why your so scared of them(fish god).

 

[aw2x3]

I could really care less that the question was never asked, to be honest. That's where the subject has evolved and that's most likely where it will stay. We're trying to give advice to obviously novice individuals that seem like they only posted here to start an uproar.
You say that there's a difference between specimen size in the wild and in the home aquaria, which there's not. It just only shows that you've never been successful enough to keep any of your fish to adult sizes. Given the proper habitat, feeding, etc. it's VERY possible to keep these fish to adult WILD sizes.
As someone else said...it's your tank, your fish and your money, so do what you want. But don't come here, as a new person to the site and bash people because they disagree with you, because they know better.
As far as me only knowing about these fish in the wild...you're badly mistaken. I have background in public aquaria, diving hundreds of times in over 30 locations worldwide and with my own tanks (11, predatory tanks, total...at one time). I've cared for everything from 12 gallon nano cubes to 100,000 gallon predatory reefs and I've cared for 1.5" Clown Triggers to 20"+ Queen Triggers (along with just about every other species of Trigger, from juvenile to adults), in captivity.
Good luck, but I don't expect you to be here in another 6 months, bragging about your success, because it's not gonna happen.

 

[fastazzr1]

Originally Posted by AW2x3
I could really care less that the question was never asked, to be honest. That's where the subject has evolved and that's most likely where it will stay. We're trying to give advice to obviously novice individuals that seem like they only posted here to start an uproar.
You say that there's a difference between specimen size in the wild and in the home aquaria, which there's not. It just only shows that you've never been successful enough to keep any of your fish to adult sizes. Given the proper habitat, feeding, etc. it's VERY possible to keep these fish to adult WILD sizes.
As someone else said...it's your tank, your fish and your money, so do what you want. But don't come here, as a new person to the site and bash people because they disagree with you, because they know better.
As far as me only knowing about these fish in the wild...you're badly mistaken. I have background in public aquaria, diving hundreds of times in over 30 locations worldwide and with my own tanks (11, predatory tanks, total...at one time). I've cared for everything from 12 gallon nano cubes to 100,000 gallon predatory reefs and I've cared for 1.5" Clown Triggers to 20"+ Queen Triggers (along with just about every other species of Trigger, from juvenile to adults), in captivity.
Good luck, but I don't expect you to be here in another 6 months, bragging about your success, because it's not gonna happen.
Fish god, i know its hard but please try not to give your worthless info to anyone that did not ask for it. once again, the question was what other beautiful and rare triggers are out there for the home aquarium. when i need all the other info i will ask for it. i didnt come here to make an uproar, it looks like you did by giving your worthless .02 cents on trigger safety. i dont care what size or how many tanks you have or have not taken care of your not taking care of mine and thats all that maters. i have no need to brag about my success, it speakes for it self. on the other hand i do believe your the one bragging about who you are like it means something. the funny thing is that you talk as if you know me but you dont, so in my book that makes you a hater. but i can tell you that i will be around in the next 6 months and still doing the same thing. can i get a pic of that 100,000 gallon aquarium with that one trigger in it.

 

[aw2x3]

As I already said...
"Good luck, but I don't expect you to be here in another 6 months, bragging about your success, because it's not gonna happen."
My point has been made and once again, you've only rambled on, while making yourself look like a fool.
Keep on keepin' on, brother.

 

[fastazzr1]

Originally Posted by AW2x3
As I already said...
"Good luck, but I don't expect you to be here in another 6 months, bragging about your success, because it's not gonna happen."
My point has been made and once again, you've only rambled on, while making yourself look like a fool.
Keep on keepin' on, brother.

ill be here fish god, you havent made any point except to prove that your an idiot who speaks on stuff you know nothing about and to prove that you have a problem understanding questions and then answering the question asked. maybe you have a.d.d., you can get help for that. but thanx for your vote offer of good luck. however none is needed, its already happening. take care fish god.

 

[alfon76]

Wow, this got ugly quickly. I am very surprised both of you (fastazzr1 and BIGMAN) are being successful keeping so many triggers together but at the same time I am happy they appear to be doing good. Advice and criticism sometimes go hand in hand and we have to be mature enough to take it either way.
There are no fish Gods but there is a lot of literature out there that serves as a guideline for many of us to follow in order to establish a healthy marine environment and many, if not all, of these guidelines say that triggers are nothing short of mean and territorial towards almost anything, especially other triggers. Based on this I can see everyone here taking a position that clashed with both of you guys. However, if you are being successful and this is indeed a controlled risk (meaning you have a plan if the experiment doesn't work other than allowing the fishes to kill each other) then by all means you have my blessing and my awe as the tanks should look incredible with so many wonderful species together.
Rest assured I will never, ever advice anyone to do what you guys are doing as I don't want that on my conscience but if you are successful I can always tell people that it is not recommended but has been done by a few individuals.
We are all here looking after the best interests of the fishes but even if you guys feel attacked you still need to realize one thing, you are both going against the current so you are bound to find resistance.
Happy fish keeping guys and God bless your fishes/experiment.
Ivan