to the tang popo

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2489570
from other pictures I have in my album there are 21 Blue Tangs avg size is at least 6" and there are 50 Percs Clowns all adults the biggest clowns i've seen fat and about 3-4" thier full groen adult size whatver that is. now they might have the best filertation system in the world and this tank might be hooked up to 500k gallons of water it might be one sysytem I'm just showing a picture of at tank with every specimen healthy from my observation that looks to be flourishing.

'splain that. Now they are 5"?
If those fish are as big as you say (which I doubt) then the girl there is an Amazon.
 

wangotango

Active Member
I'm not offended at all, nor do I carry a Tang police badge.
What does piss me off is people posting threads and responses like this just to get a kick. This thread has no learning value at all. We can get into an argument about the GA having too many whale sharks in their exhibit too if we wanted to, but what's the point?
I really don't see any "tang police abuse" here. We're not talking about your tank, and we're not giving this place crap either. There are the tang police who make suggestions and give you a solid reason as to why a setup won't work for a tang, and there are the uneducated tang gestapo who just jump on the bandwagon and say "no tang for you because I said so." The later are the people who piss everyone off.
ChrgerOnDavins: Explain to me why fish get along better in tanks that are overstocked?
Really, if you have problems with tangs in tanks then you should have posted on the big tang threads that have been running lately. This is just BS.
And finally, a 5" clown is like a freak of nature. I've seen 3-4" TOPS.
-Justin
 

matt b

Active Member
Originally Posted by WangoTango
http:///forum/post/2489712
I'm not offended at all, nor do I carry a Tang police badge.
What does piss me off is you (and other people) posting threads and responses like this just to get a kick. This thread has no learning value at all. We can get into an argument about the GA having too many whale sharks in their exhibit too if we wanted to, but what's the point?
I really don't see any "tang police abuse" here. We're not talking about your tank, and we're not giving this place crap either. There are the tang police who make suggestions and give you a solid reason as to why a setup won't work for a tang, and there are the uneducated tang gestapo who just jump on the bandwagon and say "no tang for you because I said so." The later are the people who piss everyone off.
ChrgerOnDavins: Explain to me why fish get along better in tanks that are overstocked?
Really, if you have problems with tangs in tanks then you should have posted on the big tang threads that have been running lately. This is just BS.
And finally, a 5" clown is like a freak of nature. I've seen 3-4" TOPS.
-Justin
You go girl!!!!
 

sh2000

Member
Justin, sorry to piss you off...your right I was just posting a thread for ppl who wanted to participate in a side of things..these clowns were a freak of nature...they were huge!! I never saw such fat healthy clowns...if u think it's BS please stop posting...I value yours and everyones opinion...you can't close a thread because ppl "second that" if you don;'t like it just ignore it but be polite please.
 

integral9

Member
If you think that's crowded, check out the tank behind the front desk at Ceasar's in Las Vegas....
Wish I could post the pic I have, it's on my fone and I can't plug it into this 'puter.
 

sharkbait9

Active Member
First off why would anyone want a thread closed? Do you feel you need or compelled to respond to questions and threads that you disagree with? Why not skip the thread and let anyone who wants to chime do so. Threads fall by the wayside in time and so with this one. Any thing can be taken as educational, anything. Its all how you look at it. Anyone who wants a thread closed should label themselves as a gestapo
Secondly. I have read some post where even my self as outspoken as I am have felt that the responses were a little irate in tone. I don’t have a problem with it, I’m a big boy with thick skin and I can take a persons feelings and tone of voice and laugh it off. I don’t need to cry about my feeling being hurt and beg for someone to rescue my me and my feelings or want a person to feel they need to jump in and rescue me.
IDK maybe I’m wrong but I took the pic as an “example of”. Aquariums are for educational purposes along with enjoyment and are excepted as “authorities” on marine science. So I looked at the pic and I thought “wow that’s disgusting”
In my eyes it looks like the Aquarium was playing of “finding nemo” as you can blatantly see it has the two icons of the movie as the main fixtures of the tank.
Thirdly I think idea of a message board was lost. Message boards are for people to talk about the husbandry of reef/fish keeping in this case marine life.
Anyone can go to a message board and read it and can post. NO ONE has a right to silence a person on their feelings, way of life or any other reason they deem fit. I don’t care of your 10 or 110 you have the right to read and post. Whether you hind behind P&PS or the “kids read this“. I love that, kids today talk worse then I do or did. You try and silence or hinder a persons speech, pack your bags and head to china where you will be appreciated.
I’m not sorry when I say this but if you are not dedicated to the study of fish with in your own life and schooling then you are not an authority. You are basing your argument on studies. Studies based on a fact finding tour and your bases are of your own opinion that people will take as fact.
Anyone who feels the need to label themselves as a “tang police” really should find something more meaningful. You’re a hobbyists with a big tank in your house that you leave everyday and go to work that has nothing to do with fish, your not an authority on the subject. Sorry, deal with it.
From what I can see, the only persons OPINION on a subject that I would consider is ophiura. If I’m not mistaken she has studied starfish in a school not a home library, I maybe wrong but if I am I can admit it.
Its seems if you put a tang in the heading everyone gets their panties in a bunch, like the fish has some mystical drawing power to make the nutty go even nuttier.
There are plenty of threads that are posted and no replies so if you don’t like a thread that’s going to get you going, no one said you had to post so move along, move along
 

wangotango

Active Member
1) I highly doubt that there is/was a group of people who banded together and began calling themselves the "Tang Police" to stop people from keeping tangs in 48" long tanks just for giggles. Personally I think the name came from the other side; hobbyists who were mad because people said that they could not keep a fish they wanted in the tank they had. I could be totally wrong here, but the later seems more logical.
2) Whose opinions are being silenced? Read the first post: "call the aquarium in long beach thier tank is 5 feet long maybe and 6 feet deep..about 100 6 inch blue tangs with 100 clowns full sized. arrest them lol" Did the OP (and I'm sorry SH2000 if you feel that I'm beating on you, I really do not mean to) express an opinion? Did the OP say "jeez I don't think this place has the best intentions for their fish?" No. Notice the LOL at the end. How bout the title: "to the tang popo" It wasn't "do you think that public aquariums don't have the best intentions for their fish?"
3) You don't need a degree in marine biology to be well respected in this hobby.
4) I'm done with this thread, I appologize if anyone has felt that I have bullied them, I did not mean to. Count how many "tang" threads there have been running over the past week. Is it really necessary to start a thread just to get people worked up over the same issue? Other members (no one who has posted in this thread) can pipe in "I have a naso tang in my 2.5 gallon" in these tang threads, for the same reason; it just gets annoying. Keep anything that is not constructive or not serious in the Aquarium Section.
-Justin
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by WangoTango
http:///forum/post/2489933
4) I'm done with this thread, I appologize if anyone has felt that I have bullied them, I did not mean to. Count how many "tang" threads there have been running over the past week. Is it really necessary to start a thread just to get people worked up over the same issue? Other members (no one who has posted in this thread) can pipe in "I have a naso tang in my 2.5 gallon" in these tang threads, for the same reason; it just gets annoying. Keep anything that is not constructive or not serious in the Aquarium Section.
Why is it that people feel so threatened by the example shown in this thread that they want it closed to discussion??? Is it so uncomfortable that some experts in the field may disagree with some of the lay opinions expressed on this board?
 

sharkbait9

Active Member
Have you not see the users who self title them selves as tang police? Under their avatar? Avatars with tang police? Come on!!!
If you felt I was implying that you were bulling people that was not my intention. Unfortunately “the squeaky wheel gets the oil” It was meant in general not directly at you.
Yes there are a lot of tang threads and yes that can get annoying but everyone wants that personal attention to their concern or problem. It’s human nature.
Yes your right for some one to post “naso in 2.5 gallon” is not needed and useless to add but that’s something that coincides with message boards, weeding thru post. At the same time we can allow anyone to be silenced.
As to being “uncomfortable” A lot of self minded one way or no way people see an issue and can not except or adjust. They will turn red in face and go forth full steam.
I said it before and I’ll keep saying tang are like politics and religion it a never ending fight.
You also right when it comes to not having a degree to be well respected in this hobby.
At the same time a lot of people bow down to “well respect people” for what? Cause they threw their name in front of a piece of coral? Come on that’s just idiotic and quite the goat herder. I’m not impressed at all with the majority of big named people. While some have been very influential in this hobby a lot seem to like their names on something.
You want to impress me do something and do it for the love of the hobby, not because you can lead a bunch of sheep into the ocean and charge them an arm and a leg for your doings.
Again even in this hobby it comes down to the dollar, not the love of it.
I can respect people for what they do and have figured out, but I’m not going to bow down and take their word as gospel truth.
This hobby was founded mainly by trial and error and a need for certain equipment let alone the self gratification that a person could keep and have saltwater live stock. Back in the day not everyone could keep saltwater.
This hobby is still growing and learning, mainly due to the fact of the money we slubs pour into it, myself included.
 

sh2000

Member
Ok when I said those original posts they were a slightly exaggerted ok so there were around 50 clowns but those were really big and around 20 blue tangs...as far as the tang policd or popo comments it was bantar lighten up guys
this was meant for educational reasons in a playful way...yes I could've been wiser with my words if any1 was offended sorry! either way the point was those are nice size tangs and huge clowns seems way overcrowded to me weather your a tang polic or not the tank is at best 400 gal. and there is around 75 fish in there...it's a well known aquarium..i'm sure they have some type of reasoning or filteration system..it was just a side that if this is in an aquarium why not house them in a longer tang rather than a circle tank and why so many fish in one tank...I was just pointing that out.
 
quit crying a river over stuff like this, tang police please focus on something else. I posted my naso post as comic relief. If you dont find it funny, move on. Some of you people need more drama in your life if a tank with fish in it can get your panties up in a bunch. Maybe somebody should die yoru close to, to put things in to perspective.
And to the overstocking question
, i was asked how overstocking helps.
Simple. (this works for LFS too, but they exaggerate it) If there are say 5 powder blue tangs in one tank, and the tank is a 55 gallon, they will probably get along. If there was 2? No way. They fit and bicker amoung 5 fish, and eventually theres no territory to fight over, because the tank is overstocked (by other fish as well) and fighting is a full time job, they soon realize being calm is the bes tpolicy.
My FW 125 gallon has 2 10" oscars, 2 8" jack dempseys, a green terror, 2 6" Parrot cichlids, 10 various 4-10" african cichlids, 3 south american cichlids, ranging from 6-8 inches in length, 1 pictus catfish, 3 other catfish im not sure of the species, 1 bala shark (7 inches in length), 1 silver dollar (size of my hand), 3 clown loaches, (from 3-5 inches long) 2 yoyo loaches, one 3 inch one 5 inch, 5 tiger barbs, 3 inches long, 6 giant danios, several baby cichlids that have somehow survived, 2 knife fish (5-6 inches long) 1 albino clawed frog, 4 cory catfish (1.5-2 inches long.. IT CAN BE DONE) 2 rosy barbs (2 inches long) 2 more silver dollars, about 2 inches in length, and more fish I have forgotten.
Most of you are thinking HOLY HELL!!! NONE i repeat NONE of my fish have died in the past year. I remove nitrates with "bags" and I have dual fluval 405's filtering, as well as a 80 gal emperor bio wheel filter. My fish are healthy as buttons, I have 2 massive bubblers pumping oxygen into such an overstocked tank, and everyone is happy. No diseases whatsoever, cept we lost one oscar to pop-eye and hole in head a year ago, and that breaks just about EVERY rule in freshwater fish.
The moral of the story is, NOBODY knows EVERYTHING about this hobby, those alive 100 years and done nothing but own fish and care for them STILL dont know everything. My fish are all very peaceful, only fish killed are feeders i occasionally drop in, sometimes I feed tiger barbs, which is where the 3 large ones have survived. There is one feeder goldfish in there that is now 4-5 inches long. Everyone is happy.
Yes, nitrates are high, of course, around 30 ppm. We do a 20% water change each week, sometimes bi-weekly. We put water from our RO machine in to the tank with every water change (the discharge of the RO machine, with all the minerals in the water, as cichlids LOVE this "vitamin" water.
I am no expert, but am always about challenging the norm. 10 years ago, in ANY hobby, things were COMPLETELY different... even raising children. "sleep on back, sleep on stomach" for instance. People tell me all day that "cichlids cant live with ANY community or semi-aggressive fish" BS, depnds on the fish, the numbers, the space, etc. Obviously neon tetras couldk never survive in my tank, but rosy barbs, tiger barbs, most catfish even corys (their spiny fin prevents being swallowed, all fish learned the hard way, now they are alive and happy) giant danios, and other semi-aggressive/community freshwater fish can get along.
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by sexyshrimp101
http:///forum/post/2491044
Wow, all I can say is wow

Yeah, I gotta say, that is the most offensive thing I've seen someone say on here (aside from some of the spam that was getting through before the upgrade).
ChrgerOnDavins, you really need to calm down, your comment there is worse than anything I've ever seen the "tang police" say to anyone.
 

1journeyman

Active Member

Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2489165
I have a better pic that shows about 50 bh and 60 clowns but they know what theyre doing i was just showing a side...not trying to annoy any1
sorry if any1 was offended just messin with the tang police..but everyone knows ur right anyways

Comments like these contribute absolutely nothing to our community; And this thread came very close to getting closed. Posting a thread to get a fight, ESPECIALLY when you exaggerate at first and don't post the truth until later in the thread, is a great way to get a thread closed everytime.
There are several flaws at work here. First off, everyone is assuming public aquariums know more about keeping fish than hobbyists. As a volunteer for several years at a Public Aquarium I can tell you for certain that is incorrect. Also, if you are going to use a Public Aquarium as an example then you must factor in everything else. Feeding schedule, water changes, filtrations, numerous tanks to rotate specimens, immaculate QT and medication procedures, etc. If you are not capable or willing to do everything the same then don't attempt to use them as an example for a home hobbyist.... in doing so you are comparing apples to oranges.
Second, the original poster, by his own admission, exaggerated his claims on the size of the fish... This Aquarium has the facility and tanks to move the Tangs as they get closer to adult size. Do you? Tangs need swimming room, however they also need proper feeding, water quality, stability, oxygen saturation, etc. Those requirements are much easier to provide in a larger tank. It's not just about swimming room, although often people jump so quick on the length of a tank they forget to mention these other requirements.
Third, overstocking works for FW much more so than SW. Overstocking marine tanks is absolutely detrimental to the overall health of the fish. Overstocking increases the stress level of the species, but spreads aggression. Does that sound like a responsible and proper setup for a hobbyist to aspire towards?
Fourth, the parameters, feeding, water movement, amount of water changes (they could very well be pumping hundreds of gallons of new SW through this tank a day), time in the tank, and long term plans for this display are all unknown.
Fifth, this pic shows numerous adult clowns together as well. Does anyone now feel the need to challenge the idea that you can keep numerous adult clowns in the same tank too in your home?
One last warning;We Mods have discussed the "Tang Police" issue and are growing weary of it. Posters on both sides
of the issues need to grow up.
 
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