sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2491073
both sides of the issues need to grow up.
Funny, i was waiting to see you pop in.
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2491073
both sides of the issues need to grow up.
Funny, i was waiting to see you pop in.
ophiura
Active Member
1) It is a circular tank. People are often in error, IMO, on tank size for tangs because they do not consider the FOOTPRINT of the tank. Wide diameter circular tanks provide a lot of swimming options for larger fish. A 5' diameter circular tank (and it is quite probably larger) is much much much different than a STANDARD 5' rectangular tank. There is no comparison there.
2) You have no idea how long they have had them, or how often the replenish stock. I have first hand experience with this and very often fish are replaced frequently. You have no way of knowing at all...and aquaria can get some pretty big fish in stock. Chronic diseases like HLLE may take time to set in, and these fish may not be around long enough.
3) As mentioned, overcrowding fish can reduce aggression by effectively overloading them with too many competitors to deal with at once.
4) People are often not able to judge both the actual tank size, volume and size of fish. Nothing personal, but IME with larger tanks, people have trouble relating it to something and so it ends up being larger or smaller than it is.
5) Most aquaria have options with fish growing large, either within their own facility of by trading out to other facilities.
But I agree with Journey...a thread whose sole purpose is to stir the pot is marginal at best. And comments made, such as hoping someone close to you dies to put things in perspective...uncalled for and totally off base.
2) You have no idea how long they have had them, or how often the replenish stock. I have first hand experience with this and very often fish are replaced frequently. You have no way of knowing at all...and aquaria can get some pretty big fish in stock. Chronic diseases like HLLE may take time to set in, and these fish may not be around long enough.
3) As mentioned, overcrowding fish can reduce aggression by effectively overloading them with too many competitors to deal with at once.
4) People are often not able to judge both the actual tank size, volume and size of fish. Nothing personal, but IME with larger tanks, people have trouble relating it to something and so it ends up being larger or smaller than it is.
5) Most aquaria have options with fish growing large, either within their own facility of by trading out to other facilities.
But I agree with Journey...a thread whose sole purpose is to stir the pot is marginal at best. And comments made, such as hoping someone close to you dies to put things in perspective...uncalled for and totally off base.
chrgerondavins
Member
Originally Posted by m0nk
http:///forum/post/2491050
Yeah, I gotta say, that is the most offensive thing I've seen someone say on here (aside from some of the spam that was getting through before the upgrade).
ChrgerOnDavins, you really need to calm down, your comment there is worse than anything I've ever seen the "tang police" say to anyone.
lol im not mad at all. Just making a statement It probably is too bold.
http:///forum/post/2491050
Yeah, I gotta say, that is the most offensive thing I've seen someone say on here (aside from some of the spam that was getting through before the upgrade).
ChrgerOnDavins, you really need to calm down, your comment there is worse than anything I've ever seen the "tang police" say to anyone.
lol im not mad at all. Just making a statement It probably is too bold.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2491132
Funny, i was waiting to see you pop in.
LOL, from the title I'm sure all of the Mods have been watching this thread...
http:///forum/post/2491132
Funny, i was waiting to see you pop in.
LOL, from the title I'm sure all of the Mods have been watching this thread...
sh2000
Member
Close the thread i am the original poster do you think I care If you ppl get off by closing threads it shows how much of a coward you are that you just bully people into your own egotistical theories and since your "mods" you can do whatver you want...so just do what you want no1 cares I will keep tangs in any tang I wish too if you cared about the fish you would stop your nonsense because of your selfish comments that get you off by saying all day I will personally buy any tang I want and put it in a 10 gal. or 55 or 30 or 80 or 120 or 300...I will do whatver I want to do. close the thread all you people do is give bad advice..you all think you know it all and you don't...if I have a problem from now on I'll just call my reputable saltwater dealer who are professioals and own a company with hundreds of customer service reps that knowal ot more than you tang police...close the thread you think I care ? to me in my opinion most of you gere are just a joke.
ophiura
Active Member
FWIW, there have been MANY tang "police" threads and for the most part they are constructive except for a few people on both sides who have nothing to really contribute, IMO.
I am sure your reputable saltwater dealer would be more than happy to sell you whatever you want. That is the point of the business.
But to start a thread with the INTENT to do nothing more than cause trouble is marginal, and not a welcome behavior. THAT is the problem here.
Now many people in this thread have posted productive comments, including myself frankly. If you choose not to consider them that is fine, but I encourage you to change your mind.
FWIW - Just to give you some background....
I have a pretty reasonable amount of experience with tropical marine ichthyology (fish behavior, ecology and systematics) including teaching. I have a graduate degree in marine invertebrate zoology specializing in echinoderms, and worked for several years in both the LFS and public aquarium industry.
**BUT** I don't know it all, and would never say I do. There are you are definitely wrong. And I will be the first to say that having a degree in marine biology buys little in this hobby. Totally different worlds, and in fact I battled the marine biology stigma through my time in the aquarium industry. Often marine bio types come with big attitudes, very apparent in this hobby actually, and often have a lot to learn about this totally different line of work.
But I will not promote what I think, and to some degree know from experience, will not work or is in some way marginally ethical.
People are more than allowed - ENCOURAGED - to have constructive debates on the husbandry of tangs and other fish. I am not a card carrying member of the tang police by any means, and think both sides have something to learn about debate.
IMO, sometimes you do need to listen to others, if for no other reason than you will be wasting your money.
I am sure your reputable saltwater dealer would be more than happy to sell you whatever you want. That is the point of the business.
But to start a thread with the INTENT to do nothing more than cause trouble is marginal, and not a welcome behavior. THAT is the problem here.
Now many people in this thread have posted productive comments, including myself frankly. If you choose not to consider them that is fine, but I encourage you to change your mind.
FWIW - Just to give you some background....
I have a pretty reasonable amount of experience with tropical marine ichthyology (fish behavior, ecology and systematics) including teaching. I have a graduate degree in marine invertebrate zoology specializing in echinoderms, and worked for several years in both the LFS and public aquarium industry.
**BUT** I don't know it all, and would never say I do. There are you are definitely wrong. And I will be the first to say that having a degree in marine biology buys little in this hobby. Totally different worlds, and in fact I battled the marine biology stigma through my time in the aquarium industry. Often marine bio types come with big attitudes, very apparent in this hobby actually, and often have a lot to learn about this totally different line of work.
But I will not promote what I think, and to some degree know from experience, will not work or is in some way marginally ethical.
People are more than allowed - ENCOURAGED - to have constructive debates on the husbandry of tangs and other fish. I am not a card carrying member of the tang police by any means, and think both sides have something to learn about debate.
IMO, sometimes you do need to listen to others, if for no other reason than you will be wasting your money.
sh2000
Member
got any proof ? when you get your proof maybe more people will listen just make yourself clear tangs do better in larger aquariums 8 feet long key words "do better" that does not mean you can not put any tang in a 55 80 or 120 or 300. everyone of the tang police comes off as it is a fact when you get proof show it. as far as your comments directed towards me you can be any doctor in this field or whatver its is that you are..great good luck with that . my points in this thgread were valid and ligitiment
1-and extremely overstocked tank in a reputable aquarium...there's a side that strongly argues with people that preffer lower bio loads
2- many tangs in a small tank even if thet ank is 5 or 6 feet u would think professionals at a prestige aquarium would put them in a 20 foot long tank not a 5 foor circular tank.
3- this was meant to be a friendly side of how it's not written in blood all the theories of the tang police...now its personal.
I used to value your ppl's opinions now I really losta lot of respect towrds alot of ppl here.
1-and extremely overstocked tank in a reputable aquarium...there's a side that strongly argues with people that preffer lower bio loads
2- many tangs in a small tank even if thet ank is 5 or 6 feet u would think professionals at a prestige aquarium would put them in a 20 foot long tank not a 5 foor circular tank.
3- this was meant to be a friendly side of how it's not written in blood all the theories of the tang police...now its personal.
I used to value your ppl's opinions now I really losta lot of respect towrds alot of ppl here.
ophiura
Active Member
There are many ways to keep tanks, but what you have to understand is that you are not working behind the scenes at that aquarium.
You don't know how often they replace the tangs or the fish. We put about 24 purple tangs in a 3500g reef that was about 6' deep and like 12' long...beat the snot out of each other. Most did not survive. We had some beautiful achilles that went in a HUGE tank but were outcompeted by squirrelfish for food (I didn't want them in there) and died. But the day they were added? It looked awesome and the public would be no more aware of what was going on. That is my point. At any moment in time it may look awesome...but long term over months and years? The picture may not be what it appears.
As I said, a 5 foot circular tank is actually IMO a pretty good deal. Based on the person standing in front it is a sizeable tank for 20 blue tangs or so.
You don't know how often they replace the tangs or the fish. We put about 24 purple tangs in a 3500g reef that was about 6' deep and like 12' long...beat the snot out of each other. Most did not survive. We had some beautiful achilles that went in a HUGE tank but were outcompeted by squirrelfish for food (I didn't want them in there) and died. But the day they were added? It looked awesome and the public would be no more aware of what was going on. That is my point. At any moment in time it may look awesome...but long term over months and years? The picture may not be what it appears.
As I said, a 5 foot circular tank is actually IMO a pretty good deal. Based on the person standing in front it is a sizeable tank for 20 blue tangs or so.
groupergenius
Active Member
See ya sh2000. Your attitude you have shown is what PO's people.
Personally I friggin' hate tangs. But I dislike DA comments from folks who think they know it all. Hopefully someday, after you have been doing SW for 20-30years you'll get it.
See ya with your immature attitude going into this thread and the immature way your leaving it.
BTW, how many questions have you been asking here looking for help???
Might seem you don't know it all.
Personally I friggin' hate tangs. But I dislike DA comments from folks who think they know it all. Hopefully someday, after you have been doing SW for 20-30years you'll get it.
See ya with your immature attitude going into this thread and the immature way your leaving it.
BTW, how many questions have you been asking here looking for help???
Might seem you don't know it all.
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2491652
Close the thread i am the original poster do you think I care If you ppl get off by closing threads it shows how much of a coward you are that you just bully people into your own egotistical theories and since your "mods" you can do whatver you want...so just do what you want no1 cares I will keep tangs in any tang I wish too if you cared about the fish you would stop your nonsense because of your selfish comments that get you off by saying all day I will personally buy any tang I want and put it in a 10 gal. or 55 or 30 or 80 or 120 or 300...I will do whatver I want to do. close the thread all you people do is give bad advice..you all think you know it all and you don't...if I have a problem from now on I'll just call my reputable saltwater dealer who are professioals and own a company with hundreds of customer service reps that knowal ot more than you tang police...close the thread you think I care ? to me in my opinion most of you gere are just a joke.
HMMMM I applaud you in your resistance to be silenced, its commendable. A lot of people will back down, JERZY PEPS don’t back down.
But I think your shooting from the hip at ophiura. Op really doesn’t go spouting off when she is not 100% about her feelings/opinion. Pretty much everything she has said about one thing or another is pretty much right, and I will give that to her. Op also is not quick the with the erase button like some of the other gestopo that wear a mod badge. Hnag here long enough and you’ll know who the Nazi mods really are.
But then YOU start to attack other members and I can’t back that up. There are members on this board that I would ask ten thousand question to and listens to before I dealt with the pets stores let a tropical fish store around us. You deal with trop in ocean twp, that just goes to show me how very little you do know about this hobby.
If you are smart you would stick around with your ears and mind open and learn. I got news for you, I was dealing with trop before your parents even thought of having kids, you were just a glob on the bed at night. Trop used to be like the bible you did what they said. Since they moved the store up to the big lot they care about money and that’s it. Again open your mind and take in some info and you might turn out ok. The staff at trop are jokes and will tell you anything you want if they will make money. If your willing to spend 180 on a hippo tang, well that speaks for itself too. Let me guess you’re a frequent fish buying card member and paid twenty to get it.
You want to pick on people pick on the people who deserve it and fight for what you believe in.
Did you even read what you wrote????? You are making threats to people who only say what they feel or believe. By you saying you keep a tang in a 10, 20, 30 55 gallon tank that’s asinine. Who are you threaten? No body, but a fish, a fish your supposed to be taking care of. A fish you like.
That is immature.
http:///forum/post/2491652
Close the thread i am the original poster do you think I care If you ppl get off by closing threads it shows how much of a coward you are that you just bully people into your own egotistical theories and since your "mods" you can do whatver you want...so just do what you want no1 cares I will keep tangs in any tang I wish too if you cared about the fish you would stop your nonsense because of your selfish comments that get you off by saying all day I will personally buy any tang I want and put it in a 10 gal. or 55 or 30 or 80 or 120 or 300...I will do whatver I want to do. close the thread all you people do is give bad advice..you all think you know it all and you don't...if I have a problem from now on I'll just call my reputable saltwater dealer who are professioals and own a company with hundreds of customer service reps that knowal ot more than you tang police...close the thread you think I care ? to me in my opinion most of you gere are just a joke.
HMMMM I applaud you in your resistance to be silenced, its commendable. A lot of people will back down, JERZY PEPS don’t back down.
But I think your shooting from the hip at ophiura. Op really doesn’t go spouting off when she is not 100% about her feelings/opinion. Pretty much everything she has said about one thing or another is pretty much right, and I will give that to her. Op also is not quick the with the erase button like some of the other gestopo that wear a mod badge. Hnag here long enough and you’ll know who the Nazi mods really are.
But then YOU start to attack other members and I can’t back that up. There are members on this board that I would ask ten thousand question to and listens to before I dealt with the pets stores let a tropical fish store around us. You deal with trop in ocean twp, that just goes to show me how very little you do know about this hobby.
If you are smart you would stick around with your ears and mind open and learn. I got news for you, I was dealing with trop before your parents even thought of having kids, you were just a glob on the bed at night. Trop used to be like the bible you did what they said. Since they moved the store up to the big lot they care about money and that’s it. Again open your mind and take in some info and you might turn out ok. The staff at trop are jokes and will tell you anything you want if they will make money. If your willing to spend 180 on a hippo tang, well that speaks for itself too. Let me guess you’re a frequent fish buying card member and paid twenty to get it.
You want to pick on people pick on the people who deserve it and fight for what you believe in.
Did you even read what you wrote????? You are making threats to people who only say what they feel or believe. By you saying you keep a tang in a 10, 20, 30 55 gallon tank that’s asinine. Who are you threaten? No body, but a fish, a fish your supposed to be taking care of. A fish you like.
That is immature.
ccampbell57
Active Member
Man this thread got out of hand. Goes to prove my theory. People are going to do what they want and basically need just one person to say "go for it".
Trolls are always going to be around and there are always going to be people that will fight back and therefore the troll will always win.
IMHO and IME do whatever you want. Put a tang in a 20g, put a grouper in a 55, put 15 angels in a 90g. I hear that placing a Black tip in a 240 will work right?
I look forward to you listening to your LFS that is SOOO reputable. I cant wait for them to sell you a clown tang for your tank because it "should" work. Obviously, they are not there to make a sale. They are there for the health of your fish and to not have you come back for more. Geese, I wish my company worked like that...I could sell you something out of context and basically gurantee that you will be back within 12 months returning a bigger fish (worth more money) give you less than half of what you paid and make you pay full price for another fish.
What a great business model! Enjoy getting taken advantage of...as for the rest of us, we will continue to tap into the infinate wealth of knowledge on this board and others and continue to grow our hobby.
Thanks for your opinions
Trolls are always going to be around and there are always going to be people that will fight back and therefore the troll will always win.
IMHO and IME do whatever you want. Put a tang in a 20g, put a grouper in a 55, put 15 angels in a 90g. I hear that placing a Black tip in a 240 will work right?
I look forward to you listening to your LFS that is SOOO reputable. I cant wait for them to sell you a clown tang for your tank because it "should" work. Obviously, they are not there to make a sale. They are there for the health of your fish and to not have you come back for more. Geese, I wish my company worked like that...I could sell you something out of context and basically gurantee that you will be back within 12 months returning a bigger fish (worth more money) give you less than half of what you paid and make you pay full price for another fish.
What a great business model! Enjoy getting taken advantage of...as for the rest of us, we will continue to tap into the infinate wealth of knowledge on this board and others and continue to grow our hobby.
Thanks for your opinions
m0nk
Active Member
Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2491652
to me in my opinion most of you gere are just a joke.
Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2491726
I used to value your ppl's opinions now I really losta lot of respect towrds alot of ppl here.
I have to be honest: I've personally been trying to help you with various things in your threads, and so have many others, but these 2 comments are a bit over the top. If you feel the need to "stir the pot" and throw comments like this around, people aren't going to want to help you too much more.
http:///forum/post/2491652
to me in my opinion most of you gere are just a joke.
Originally Posted by SH2000
http:///forum/post/2491726
I used to value your ppl's opinions now I really losta lot of respect towrds alot of ppl here.
I have to be honest: I've personally been trying to help you with various things in your threads, and so have many others, but these 2 comments are a bit over the top. If you feel the need to "stir the pot" and throw comments like this around, people aren't going to want to help you too much more.
sh2000
Member
Everyone just forget it, not worth it. Sorry to everyone just forget the tang talk. As far as the last few posts i'm not going to address them I have no idea what half of it is anyways. I get alot of my livestock from stores in NY and FLA and CA also from online sites and this site. To conclude I think Tangs should be kept in large tanks with ample swimming room and handled with alot of care they are delicate fish. I just wish some people would say their opinions correctly that tangs far best in tanks that are larger and longer than smaller shorter tanks..this does not mean that it can not be done. Please do not confuse people new to this hobby and be so aggressive on this matter because of your experiences or knowledge just specify that it's best to keep thse fish in 6-8 ft long tanks with ample swimming room and rock and not overcrowded. However on the other hand remember there are always exceptions to rules. If you know what your doing you'd be suprised what kind of things you can keep safely. You have to understand when you put a 1 inch hippo in a 55 thats more than enough room for him. What you people keep saying is these fish grow to 10" but that can take 5 years. So having this 1 inch tang in the 55 is fine short term. But the more aggresive tang activists do not specify this they just simply tell you how big each fish will grow to in the future. I think this argument between tang police and others can be averted if everyone just instead of acting aggresive just worded their messages a bit differently. If people want to help me thats great if not I'm sure some will... if you look at all my threads posted many many people can learn alot of things and info from them and this is positive for the forums and alot of this info is not in all books or at least not in the ones I read..alot of the threads are info that needs to be addressed fast for saving a fish or many fish. If you don't want to help thats fine. I have no issues with anyone now and sometimes when your up trying to save 10 fish for 8 hours you say some things without thinking first. I do not try to offend people and really just want to obtain knowledge sorry if my frustration got the better of me. Good luck to everyone.