Tony Romo Discussion

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Originally Posted by ruaround
Cowbys just cut Vanderchoke and signed Martin Gramatica... EX Buc...

That tells me the Cowboys realized one of their high profile free agent signing was a mistake.
Probably a wise move...depending on how well his replacement does.
I just got home and have not turned on the boob tube yet so I assume you are not kidding.
Vanderfoot was suffering from Scott Norwood disease......it appeared to be fatal to me.

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
Ahhh, the jealousy of an organization's fans that has NEVER, EVER, IN ITS ENTIRE EXISTENCE had a player the caliber of Michael Irvin

You need not look past Archie Manning. A true professional, great player both on and off the field. he was and still is well respected by the nfl hacks and brass.
I'll refrain from comment regarding contrasting his status with the other person mentioned.
Archie played on awful teams but still managed a couple pro bowl appearances.
He continues to contribute to the game after his retirement, and is doing a great job on cbs for the college games along with Spencer Tillman.
You never hear or heard a negative word regarding Archie either on or off the field.
He was and remains..a professional.

 

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article... http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9832312
Scott Norwood Disease... lmoa...

 

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A big miss for the Cowboys as this was one of their high profile signings in the offseason. Personally,it is my opinion the cowboys have not faired well through the salary cap and free agency era. I personally believe this is due to Jerry Jones acting as GM. The franchise would be better off if he brought in a professional football man to run his team.
many franchises have not faired well in this age...and the Cowboys at best have been so-so...but so has the rest of the nfl with the exception of the patriots

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
I cant even begin to fathom how many yards we might get against that "defense" and believe me, i use that term lightly

From what ive seen though, Romo may not have to put many points on the board. All of the Brees int's will provide us with enough points to win.
I'm sure you dont wanna wager who will have the better game: Romo vs Bust
Assuming the Bust you refer to is Drew Brees...I would not call him a bust as he is a past pro bowl player...and has proven he is a big reason why the Saints are in first place and currently have the second best record in the conference. They are 6-1 in the conference and 4-1 in their division.
He is also mentionad as an MVP candidate my most nfl hacks and talking heads. .
But...if he fits your definition of Bust....up to you.

 

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To further add....Brees has taken an average or below average receivng corps overall...and has put up numbers consistently.
Even Copper...a Dallas cast-off claimed on waivers has contributed.
It has been a combination of the talent of Drew Brees....plus a system that fits him as to why he has acheived his status to date this year.
He has already proven he is a pro bowl player...and given his continued play at this level...your point is?

 

[ruaround]

Drew Brees is FAR from a "bust"... the last five games (as mentioned before) he has put up 3,495 yds... 2nd all-time in a 5 game span... Brees is probably the biggest off season aquisition this year!!! he has been doing his job by running the offense and putting points on th board... a Bust would be Culpepper or Brooks or even the Edge...

 

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Assuming the Bust you refer to is Drew Brees...I would not call him a bust as he is a past pro bowl player...and has proven he is a big reason why the Saints are in first place and currently have the second best record in the conference. They are 6-1 in the conference and 4-1 in their division.
He is also mentionad as an MVP candidate my most nfl hacks and talking heads. .
But...if he fits your definition of Bust....up to you.[/QUOTE
Wow, you know very well i meant reggie BUST not brees since weve had 2 seperate threads railing on Reggie Bust. Brees is one of your actual players unlike Reggie whos just a name on a jersey. However, i'm sure Romo will have less mistakes than Brees on the 10th

Alot of nerve for a Aints fan to talk about the Cowboys GM. Jerry won 3 superbowls as the GM and even if you want to give all the credit to J Johnson, who brought Johnson in??? Without Jerry Jones the Cowboys would never have drafted Emmitt. Jimmy wanted to trade up with the Bengals to draft LB james Francis who he thought was the best defensive player in the draft(good call), Jones would not ok the trade up and basically demanded that Johnson stay put to draft Emmitt.

 

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Originally Posted by ruaround
Drew Brees is FAR from a "bust"... the last five games (as mentioned before) he has put up 3,495 yds... 2nd all-time in a 5 game span... Brees is probably the biggest off season aquisition this year!!! he has been doing his job by running the offense and putting points on th board... a Bust would be Culpepper or Brooks or even the Edge...
THe funny thing about Culpepper is that miami wanted Brees...but thought he would not recover this year from the shoulder injury...or possibly his career was over. Culpepper suppossedly has been benched due to his knee...he appears to be the one that has not recovered....if you beleive what he and the orgnization says.
You are correct...Brees is among the leaders in free agent moves. A bust would be Vanderfoot...who is off to clean Scott Norwoods bed pan in the ex-nfl place-kicker nursing home.
Vanderfoot will get another shot from some nfl team.

 

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Originally Posted by ruaround
Drew Brees is FAR from a "bust"... the last five games (as mentioned before) he has put up 3,495 yds... 2nd all-time in a 5 game span... Brees is probably the biggest off season aquisition this year!!! he has been doing his job by running the offense and putting points on th board... a Bust would be Culpepper or Brooks or even the Edge...
Brees is not a bust, Reggie BUST is the bust i was referring to

He has alot of yards but they havent necessarily translated to wins for the Aints.
When Brees throws for less than 275: Aints are 4-0
When Brees throws for more than 275: Aints are 2-4
Translation: he has padded his stats in losses and has significantly contributed to at least 2 of them. He only had 510 2 weeks ago because his 2 horrible ints in the 1st half in the endzone and his one in the 3rd returned for a td put the Aints in such a huge hole that he piled on a TON of nothing yards. Hes had a very good year but to talk MVP is just looking at his stats and not the actual games.
p.s.- he has 3495 on the year not the last 5 games obviously

 

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Assuming the Bust you refer to is Drew Brees...I would not call him a bust as he is a past pro bowl player...and has proven he is a big reason why the Saints are in first place and currently have the second best record in the conference. They are 6-1 in the conference and 4-1 in their division.
He is also mentionad as an MVP candidate my most nfl hacks and talking heads. .
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Wow, you know very well i meant reggie BUST not brees since weve had 2 seperate threads railing on Reggie Bust. Brees is one of your actual players unlike Reggie whos just a name on a jersey. However, i'm sure Romo will have less mistakes than Brees on the 10th

Alot of nerve for a Aints fan to talk about the Cowboys GM. Jerry won 3 superbowls as the GM and even if you want to give all the credit to J Johnson, who brought Johnson in??? Without Jerry Jones the Cowboys would never have drafted Emmitt. Jimmy wanted to trade up with the Bengals to draft LB james Francis who he thought was the best defensive player in the draft(good call), Jones would not ok the trade up and basically demanded that Johnson stay put to draft Emmitt.
I assume you would want to compare the contribution of QB's...not a RB QB/receiver comparison. I am not even certani how you would quantify such a comparison, given non-stats contribution such as blitz pick ups, etc. .

 

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Originally Posted by ruaround
Cowbys just cut Vanderchoke and signed Martin Gramatica... EX Buc...

THANK YOU for briging this to my attention ..... awesome move

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
I assume you would want to compare the contribution of QB's...not a RB QB/receiver comparison. I am not even certani how you would quantify such a comparison, given non-stats contribution such as blitz pick ups, etc. .
I'm sure its hard for you to quantify a players contribution as Bush normally does nothing but how about who plays better and contributes more to their teams success? I'll even give you a blitz pickup or 2 for Bush if you think that makes him dominant despite -5 yards rushing and just a bunch of 3 yard receptions.

 

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I have pointed out that since we have progressed to the current state of free agency and the salary cap, Jones has not fiared well since the early days of this era.
I can point out the hring of Campos, Switzer and bone head mistakes that cost Dallas.
Jones simply has yet to prove he can win constently given the progression of free agency, etc in the late 90's thru 2000's
It is my opinion Dallas would be better off now with a proven GM in this era. If you are comfortable with Jones.....up to you.
I f you beleive this is still a set-up to succeed...up to you.

 

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Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I'm sure its hard for you to quantify a players contribution as Bush normally does nothing but how about who plays better and contributes more to their teams success? I'll even give you a blitz pickup or 2 for Bush if you think that makes him dominant despite -5 yards rushing and just a bunch of 3 yard receptions.
The spread????? You have a better Qb, better receivers, better rb's, a better line and a better kicker by your own words. I'm sure if i ask you'll say you have a comparable defense and coach and apparently GM :notsure:
Shouldnt you be giving me points??? Since you dont care about stats(when they dont help your argument at least) who cares about a spread? Just winning and losing right? So in that spirit , str8 up since we are so deficient in ALL areas. Since i know you would never agree to that, we can do the money line then, then the winner wins and the loser loses

If I am going to place my $ I can do so by calling a friend in Vegas to place a few with the sports line there. I have no idea who will be favored..so I am willing to give or take points....depending on injuries after this week.
I am on record..so it is up to you. THe line won't be more than 3 points either way.
Name your $ on the spread..it may be even or you could even get a couple points. No courage on the blow out victory for big D?

 

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Get a couple points????? Surely you are joking!! Unless Romo and a few others get hurt and are out, there is no way you will be favored, not possible.
I thought all that mattered was winning or losing??? Not so sure about that when it comes to your money eh?

We will probably be more than 4 and yeah, im not gonna lose when we kill you but Brees tacks on 2 late cheap tds in garbage time against a prevent to beat the spread. You think you are better, i know we are better so ill give you the money line. That way its all about winning or losing, not losing but getting a cheap nothing score to cover

I'm sure the money line will be about 120-100

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
Brees is not a bust, Reggie BUST is the bust i was referring to

He has alot of yards but they havent necessarily translated to wins for the Aints.
When Brees throws for less than 275: Aints are 4-0
When Brees throws for more than 275: Aints are 2-4
Translation: he has padded his stats in losses and has significantly contributed to at least 2 of them. He only had 510 2 weeks ago because his 2 horrible ints in the 1st half in the endzone and his one in the 3rd returned for a td put the Aints in such a huge hole that he piled on a TON of nothing yards. Hes had a very good year but to talk MVP is just looking at his stats and not the actual games.
p.s.- he has 3495 on the year not the last 5 games obviously

And you have watched every game?
MVP is awarded to the player that has made the biggest difference on a team throughout the season. The saints would most likely be close to the bottom as far a w-l's without him.and no where near forst place in the dicvision. Of course, he has played every game this season.

 

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I thought all that mattered was winning or losing??? Not so sure about that when it comes to your money eh?

Nope......the real handicappers play the line. You in or out?

 

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Lol, are you seriously arguing that Romo hasnt proven he is an NFL QB yet BUT that Bush is the Aints MVP so far!!! :scared:
I must be misunderstanding, you couldnt possibly have inferred that Bush is the team MVP so far, you cant be.

 

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Originally Posted by emmitt2
Lol, are you seriously arguing that Romo hasnt proven he is an NFL QB yet BUT that Bush is the Aints MVP so far!!! :scared:
I must be misunderstanding, you couldnt possibly have inferred that Bush is the team MVP so far, you cant be.
I am referring to Brees...follow the thread