Tricks on lowering Nitrates?

hallzy

Member
I have had my tank up, running, and established for over a year now. I have been keeping the same fish healthy and happy for quite some time as well. But every time I check my levels, everything is right on except for the nitrates! They are always pretty high! My book tells me that Nitrates can be lowered by doing water changes, and I do them, but still doesn't help! Does it even matter since my fish are happy and healthy? And what are some other ways to lower nitrates besides water changes? Thanks for any help!
 

jackri

Active Member
What is high nitrates?
Some nitrates aren't bad in Fish Only systems but you're not giving us a number.
Other ways to lower them are feeding (what kind and how much), filtration, having macro algae, a good skimmer, etc.
Just need some more info :)
 

prime311

Active Member
I don't have any 'tricks' to lowering nitrates, but really theres only so many methods of doing it. Here is the list:
Water Changes
Deep Sand Bed
Protein Skimmer(reduces nitrates from occuring, does not lower existing nitrates)
Nitrate/Sulfur Reactor
Macroalgae(such as chaetomorpha in a refugium)
Live Rock
Reduced feeding
RO/DI replacement water(if nitrates are present in tap)
Vodka/Sugar dosing
For the record, you would need very high nitrates consistenly(at least 80 or more) to harm fish. I've heard of people running tanks with nitrates in the 100's.
 

hallzy

Member
Originally Posted by jackri
http:///forum/post/3005184
What is high nitrates?
Some nitrates aren't bad in Fish Only systems but you're not giving us a number.
Other ways to lower them are feeding (what kind and how much), filtration, having macro algae, a good skimmer, etc.
Just need some more info :)
Sorry bout that! My nitrates are usually running around 50 or so. I have 2 percula clowns, an anemone (clowns not hosting yet), a blue hippo tang, a juv cowfish, 3 firefish, a cleaner and fire shrimp, 2 camelback shrimp, a few different starfish, and some hermits. I dont have a skimmer, and I'm really not even sure how it works. I know Im going to catch hell from all the people that think I dont know how to run a fish tank just because I don't have a skimmer, but its cool. My fish are healthy and that's all that matters. I would just like to be able to lower these nitrates a lil bit. Oh, and I'm feeding mostly mysis, and because all of my fish are HOGS, I feed them 3-4 times a day, but only about a half cube of mysis at a time. The filtration I have right now is just the basic hang off the back that came with my aquarium. I bought it in a kit. I keep the filters changed regularly though. Oh and one last thing I will probably catch hell from... What does macro algae look like? Im assuming it is the colored algae (purple, red, ect.) that grows on live rock, but I'm not sure.....
 
A couple things that are jumping out at me. Feeding 3-4 times a day will def. help the nitrates. Also the hang on the back filter. Research a sump with some macroalgae. They are not hard to do.
 

hallzy

Member
Originally Posted by reefaholic33
http:///forum/post/3005327
A couple things that are jumping out at me. Feeding 3-4 times a day will def. help the nitrates. Also the hang on the back filter. Research a sump with some macroalgae. They are not hard to do.
So you are saying feeding 3 times a day will help lower the nitrates, or will raise them? Ive always heard that overfeeding causes nitrates to raise. And I only feed them that often because they eat it all when they are fed.....
 

prime311

Active Member
More feeding = more scraps/waste + more poop/waste = more nitrates
It doent matter how often their fed as much as how much / week. I feed my fish every other day. Also, high nitrates, even 50 or so, is not good for anemones or inverts, especially certain species of starfish. It is fine for fish though. Oh ya, and IBTTP aka in before the tang police.
 

spanko

Active Member
I feed my fish every other day. You say you clean the hang on filter regularly, what does that mean? A daily change of filter floss will help. Stuff is available at the local sewing shops as Polyester fiber fill for like 4 bucks for a year supply. How often do you do a water change? How much (%) do you change out? Do you use a turkey baster to blow the detritus off your rocks just before a water change so that it is floating in the water column to be removed with the water you are changing out and by your filter? Do you have a clean up crew consisting of Nassarius and Cerith snails to clean and shift your sand around? Do you have any Turbo snails or Nerites or Trochus to help clean the rock and the glass of accumulated detritus.
Husbandry is a key issue in our little glass boxes, and if we don't work on keeping up with it we see problems like nitrates rear their ugly heads. You won't catch hell here, not from me or a lot of other people, because this is your gig. Hope you take the things I have talked about as constructive and not giving you hell.
 

hallzy

Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3005371
I feed my fish every other day. You say you clean the hang on filter regularly, what does that mean? A daily change of filter floss will help. Stuff is available at the local sewing shops as Polyester fiber fill for like 4 bucks for a year supply. How often do you do a water change? How much (%) do you change out? Do you use a turkey baster to blow the detritus off your rocks just before a water change so that it is floating in the water column to be removed with the water you are changing out and by your filter? Do you have a clean up crew consisting of Nassarius and Cerith snails to clean and shift your sand around? Do you have any Turbo snails or Nerites or Trochus to help clean the rock and the glass of accumulated detritus.
Husbandry is a key issue in our little glass boxes, and if we don't work on keeping up with it we see problems like nitrates rear their ugly heads. You won't catch hell here, not from me or a lot of other people, because this is your gig. Hope you take the things I have talked about as constructive and not giving you hell.
Wow, thank you so much! I will try all these things! Ive never thought about using a baster to clean off the rocks before water changes, but it will definitely be my new routine when doing some cleaning up from now on! Every couple months I would take the rock out and rinse them out with fresh water, but that is kind of a pain in the butt! When I do water changes, i've been doing them latly about every 2 week. I usually only do about 10%, but every once in awhile I do 20%. I do have a Nassarious, but hes the only snail I have in the tank. My shrimp and hermit crabs tend to serve as a pretty good cleaning crew, but perhaps I should look into getting a few more snails as well? I was trying to steer away from the rock cleaning type snails because my shrimp to clean up the rock a lil bit, and I want to let the grow grow a little bit because I'm trying to get my tank ready enough for a mandarin dragonet. Thank you so much for the info too. I absolutely took it as constructive! I didn't mean to come off sounding like I couldn't take someone telling me what I was doing wrong, but I just don't like to see those instances on this site where someone that may be new to keeping a tank asks a question, and someone answers the question by making the person seem like an idiot for not knowing. Not saying that everyone is like that, but I'm sure you've seen this on here before. I dont consider myself new, but I have only been messing around with tanks for about 2 years, and I still learn things everyday! Anyways, thanks for your help again!
 

spanko

Active Member
Every couple months I would take the rock out and rinse them out with fresh water,
This is a bad practice, fresh water if it is not fresh saltwater will kill life on the rock and may add to the nitrates later in the tank.
Try a 10% water change per week for a while and see how that goes. And each week use the (a clean one just for the tank) turkey baster just before to blow gently on the rock.
One snail is wholly inadequate, you don't say how big your tank is so can't help plan a clean up crew for you though.
I am glad you took my post in the manner is which I wrote it thank you.
 

hallzy

Member
Thank you much, I will stop with rinsing them off and will be buying a turkey baster tonight, and will definitely go with 10% changes weekly. Is there anything I should be doing to the water before putting it in the tank? I do put tap water conditioner in it, but is there anything else I should be doing to it? My tank is only a small 29 gallon, but it has perfect water flow and I have the perfect amount of rock with caves and such for all my fish.
 

prime311

Active Member
Originally Posted by hallzy
http:///forum/post/3005312
I have 2 percula clowns, an anemone (clowns not hosting yet), a blue hippo tang, a juv cowfish, 3 firefish, a cleaner and fire shrimp, 2 camelback shrimp, a few different starfish, and some hermits.

I am amazed you have kept all of this alive for a year in a 29g tank with nothing but a standard hang on filter and some live rock for filtration.
 
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eric b 125

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yeah, that's a huge bio load for a 29! i cant believe the cowfish and hippo havent outgrown that tank (assuming they've been in there a year). anyways, there are plenty of people that run skimmerless systems and have great success. either way, since spanko pretty much answered everything else, i'll add my two cents on the rest...
aside from the size of your tank and the kind of fish you have: absolutely do not stress the cowfish out, they can release a toxin into the water that will wipe out the entire tank, including the cowfish itself.
not that you asked, but because you commented on not knowing how skimmers work:
there are several different types of skimmers that mix air-bubbles and water in different ways. essentially, a skimmer creates air bubbles that come into contact w/ water in the reaction chamber. inorganic wastes in the water stick to the bubbles thus creating a foam that rises into the collection cup which eventually turns back into a tasty green liquid. the more bubbles, the better the skimmer will do its job. the longer said bubbles are in contact w/ water in reaction chamber, the more waste will adhere to them, the better the skimmer will do its job.
like i said before, plenty of people opt not to rock a skimmer, but i swear by them. good luck with your trates. i think the best way to lower your nitrates would be to get a bigger tank.
 

hallzy

Member
Thank you to everyone for your input!
And not everything in my tank has been there for the entire year. The cowfish and the anemone were just added about a week ago, and the blue hippo has only been there for about 6 months. As far as the hippo outgrowing the tank, I havn't really seen a whole lot of growth, besides just getting fatter! lol But then again I see him everyday, so who knows. And the cowfish is just a baby right now, so he doesn't even have horns yet. And as far as primes amazement that I have kept all my fish alive, I guess all I can say is I'm doing something right. I keep a close eye on everything that goes on in that tank to make sure everyone is healthy and happy. I wish I could get a bigger tank, but money and space are both an issue at the moment, so I have to make due with what I have. And so far, so good! The nitrates have come down slightly since I first posted this, so I will keep up with the 10% water chance as spanko suggested, and I'll keep everyone informed as to how everyone is doing!
 

hallzy

Member
Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/3005187
I don't have any 'tricks' to lowering nitrates, but really theres only so many methods of doing it. Here is the list:
Deep Sand Bed

Does this just mean if I add more sand it may help in lowering nitrates?
 

prime311

Active Member
I wouldn't do a deep sand bed with your setup. Its a sand bed of 6" or deeper and has special care instructions. If not done properly it can crash your system. IMO you dont have the room or experience to do it.
 

hallzy

Member
Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/3006269
I wouldn't do a deep sand bed with your setup. Its a sand bed of 6" or deeper and has special care instructions. If not done properly it can crash your system. IMO you dont have the room or experience to do it.
Ok, thank you so much! I will steer clear!
 
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