Trigger white spots and black starting on fins - Pic's attached

meowzer

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Originally Posted by prh123 http:///forum/thread/387174/trigger-white-spots-and-black-starting-on-fins-pic-s-attached#post_3404973
When I was 16 my father told me while you still know everything you can get an apartment, I got that and a full time, and a part job. Within two years I was working my way through college, with 4.0 GPA so I could get a better job without experience. When I put that many fish in any tank, I had to run Ozone with a controller or something deadly would happen. Water was crystal clear, twenty or more aggressive fish in a 110, every triggerfish I could find, eels, puffers, groupers, file fish, think about it.
I don't get it
 
prh123

prh123

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You missed the basics, isolating new fish, hospital tank, running UV or Ozone, husbandry, bad things happen if you don’t maintain the water quality parameters. Ick is like the plaque, its never one fish, it spreads to the entire tank, a basic aquarium book explains this, you can’t love fish and then create conditions that they die in. I was trying to be very polite, so I gave you example of when I was "young and dumb" and what I had to do about it. When I started I read every book I could find on salt water fish, and then reefs, water treatment, this is the easy stuff you where discussing. You have to be prepared, was "my opinion".
 
texas14tom

texas14tom

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prh123: Thanks for your option, thanks for being polite and thanks for sharing a life story with us.
meowzer & Beth,
well things are looking much much better today! my tank seems to have made its recovery from the moving of the sump... Ammonia is back to zero, triggers dots are gone, nobody is bouncing off the sand/rocks and the water is back to crystal clear. none of the other fish have the white dots, all of the fish seem to be acting normal and happy again and everyone ate very well. Hopefully i'm not just in one of the phases of Ich as explained by Beth is her write up!!! till then, the QT is setup and cycling!! fuge is ready for plumbing!!! i'll keep an eye on the fish and see what plays out!
Thanks again for all of your help and opinions!
Ph 8.3
Ammonia 0
Trites 0
Trates 0
Sg .0123
 
beth

beth

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Ich doesn't just disappear for good. It does have a life cycle, where it is only visible on fish for a brief time. Nonetheless, it is still there. I suggest you proceed with hyposalinity on all fish.
 
texas14tom

texas14tom

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Ok I just have to share this one with ya'll!!! So I setup the QT on Saturday and have had it cycle'n so it will be good to go... Just went in to do a test on the water only to find that my 2 year old figured out how to get past the baby locks on the cabinet and thrown a double A battery into the tank........ Looks like I get to drain and clean out the tank and filters and start all over... Awesome......
 
beth

beth

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Scarier that your 2 year old got hold of a battery.
You can't really cycle a tank in just a couple of days. To set the QT up, use 100% water from your display. Throw in 2 cups of sand from your display in to the QT. If you have a couple of very small pieces of live rock that you can sacrifice to the QT, then do that. Or maybe your LFS has a bit of rubble rock from their live rock tank that you can get on the cheap. The sand and rock would be to kick start the cycle.
Do you have a refractometer? How many fish do you have?
 
texas14tom

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Agreed, my wife and I have no idea *looks toward our 10 year old* how he could have gotten ahold of the battery to begin with!
I understand that a tank cannot be cycled in a couple of days, I'm very clear on how to cycle a tank after a lot of reading! I just picked up 30# of rock for my DT and 10 of it was rubble so that will be an easy one.
Ok so you have answered one of my biggest questions about the QT, I was scared to set it up using water from my tank incase the Ich could be transferred with the water in some way. I will get the 30 gal going now as well.
I do not own a refractometer, however, it's in my cart along with 2 powerheads and 2 heaters. Does this one work well enough?
https://www.saltwaterfish.com/Refractometer_p_135.html
I have 4 fish and 2 crabs.
 
beth

beth

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Yes, that is a good refract. If you want to start hypo before your refract comes, you can use a floating glass hydrometer (not a plastic swing arm) to begin the process.

Yeah, you will be transferring the ich into the QT using display water. Just like when you put infected fish in the QT. Both will introduce the ich into the QT. The hypo will take care of it, though.
You can not use the rubble rock again in the display.
Crabs will need to stay in the display.
 
texas14tom

texas14tom

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Ok cool got it!!! Thank you both! Refract good, rubble bad after hypo and will not be returned to my DT.
I don't have one of those either, I have the swing are type. I don't have heaters in either of the QT's either. I have to wait on money and the shipment.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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heaters should not be a big issue this time of year...unless you keep your house at 60....LOL....I don;t have any of my heaters on right now
 
beth

beth

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The rubble rock can continue to be used in the QT, but not placed back to display. Likewise with the few cups of display sand to move to the QT.
If you can get a heater locally, no need to be fancy or expensive, then that would be good. It is important to maintain stability of the environment during the time that the water is under hypo conditions (to avoid variation in salinity) and to keep a very stable environment for sick stressed fish.
You should be able to get the heater and a simple glass hydrometer on the cheap locally, if you can afford it. The hydrometer does not necessarily need the thermometer as the one I showed above. Just the salinity reading is needed.
 
texas14tom

texas14tom

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I still have to wait for the cycle on the new QT's and get all tanks the same, temps and levels in order to be able to put the fish in them no? Then once the fish are in start lowering the salinity, correct? I'll go read it again. hehehe
Heaters are need the water is 74 with no heater under the tank and the DT is 78 with no heater.
 
beth

beth

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You can wait until you see visible signs of ich on the fish again before moving them to QT. By that time, you will have a bit of time to cycle. Also, the process of doing hypo will result in a lot of water changes, which will help keep water clean for a bit. Do you have filters in the QT?
 
texas14tom

texas14tom

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yes I have hang on filters stuffed with bio-balls and smaller hang on filters with mesh and carbon for both QT's. Both QT's have two filters and powerheads coming soon!
 
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