US Navy Directive 16134

[agent-x]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
Concerning the comments that religions should condem terroristic acts commited in their names, I agree that would be nice, for EVERY religion.
Although it would be even nicer if religions would stop telling children which God to believe in and informing them that if they please their God that they will be rewarded.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Jovial
You should join us.
My religion does not either, although the religion I was raised in did.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by AGENT-X
I bet we'd be pissed if we saw a shirt or sign like this.
"Christian Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range at 0800 Daily."
Yeah, maybe they've done stuff that they shouldn't have done to Americans, but does it reall warrant this kind of stuff?
"Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range at 0800 Daily."
I think not. We are a little old for the "they did it first" defense.

All you have to do is watch the mainstream media or read some of the left wing papers like the Times to see examples of christian bashing.

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
My religion does not either, although the religion I was raised in did.
Arent you an atheist?

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Arent you an atheist?
No I am not.

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
No I am not.
What religion are you?

 

[1journeyman]

We've had enough religious threads recently. Let's not derail this one.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Maybe some of you can go over to the Middle East and try to make peace.Just tell them how much you hate America and you dont believe in the American way of life.I think you might?? be ok. Ill be happy to chip in to buy your plane ticket.Oh and dont forget to leave your cars ,the keys to your house,all your money and most importantly "Your Freedoms" at the Statue of Liberty on the way out.Good Luck

 

[1journeyman]

Veni, ther has to be a distinction made between those we are fighting in Iraq and those we are fighting with/for.
Blanket statements that insult all muslims do not further our cause in any way.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Veni, ther has to be a distinction made between those we are fighting in Iraq and those we are fighting with/for.
Blanket statements that insult all muslims do not further our cause in any way.
It probably wasnt the best choice in photos.Its wasnt meant to be a blanket statement,just a shot at those here that hate this country .

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Maybe some of you can go over to the Middle East and try to make peace.Just tell them how much you hate America and you dont believe in the American way of life.I think you might?? be ok. Ill be happy to chip in to buy your plane ticket.Oh and dont forget to leave your cars ,the keys to your house,all your money and most importantly "Your Freedoms" at the Statue of Liberty on the way out.Good Luck
This is a very odd statement, but just so you know. I did go over to the Middle East, no necessarily to make peace but to do my job, I did noy tell them how much I hate America because, well guess what, I don't. I didn't need a plane ticket, I took a much longer more uncomfortable ride there so you can save you money, I did leave my vehicle, not cars since I only had one, and my home behind. As far as leaving them at the Statue of Liberty, I didn't get the luxury of stopping in New York, but I hope you don't mind that too much.
So although I wasn't going there to 'make peace', I had a job to do and it was in the best interest of my job to NOT STIR UP EXTRA HATRED of America. My job had several rules, much like any job does, although unlike most other jobs I did not have the luxury of going home at the end of the day. So the rules applied 24 hours a day until my job was done.
Having experienced many of these rules first hand I can confidently state that if this directive were true it would by far, make the most sense of any rule placed on the personal appearance of military personel.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Maybe some of you can go over to the Middle East and try to make peace.Just tell them how much you hate America and you dont believe in the American way of life.I think you might?? be ok. Ill be happy to chip in to buy your plane ticket.Oh and dont forget to leave your cars ,the keys to your house,all your money and most importantly "Your Freedoms" at the Statue of Liberty on the way out.Good Luck
I haven't seen a single post on this thread that was anti-american...where are you getting this?

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Jovial
What religion are you?
I do not believe that my religious beliefs it is pertinent to this conversation. Due to that and the fact that it has been asked that we do not derail this thread by turning it into a relgious discussion, I feel it is best if do not answer your question.
My point is, regardless of anyone's personal choice of faith, that many groups, from all different religions, begin teaching children, at a very young age, that there is a God and he or she wants us to behave in a specific way.
Most of the time this type of teaching is harmless or even helpful, however this type of training can serve as a building block that sick and evil people use to convince completely rational people to commit horrible acts that would normally seem irrational to them.

 

[veni vidi vici]

I dont recall mentioning any names in my post ,but since the 2 of you felt that i was talking to you ill address you both.
when GOD or religion is mentioned the both of you are quick to jump in and start bashing either or both.And it doesnt seem to matter what the post is about.Somehow or the other monkeys or some conspiracy get dragged into the thread. GOD help us if the the left wingers get a chance to run this country. This thread was about IMO a dumb directive and it has turned into a left vs right argument or if you like GOD vs monkeys.....Good vs Evil...........

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I dont recall mentioning any names in my post ,but since the 2 of you felt that i was talking to you ill address you both.
when GOD or religion is mentioned the both of you are quick to jump in and start bashing either or both.And it doesnt seem to matter what the post is about.Somehow or the other monkeys or some conspiracy get dragged into the thread. GOD help us if the the left wingers get a chance to run this country. This thread was about IMO a dumb directive and it has turned into a left vs right argument or if you like GOD vs monkeys.....Good vs Evil...........
Einstein, where in this thread did I bash religion? You must have a bad memory or you have trouble processing what you read...not sure which.
On a side note, questioning religion is not bashing...I certainly have questioned things in other posts but haven't bashed it.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I dont recall mentioning any names in my post ,but since the 2 of you felt that i was talking to you ill address you both.
when GOD or religion is mentioned the both of you are quick to jump in and start bashing either or both.And it doesnt seem to matter what the post is about.Somehow or the other monkeys or some conspiracy get dragged into the thread. GOD help us if the the left wingers get a chance to run this country. This thread was about IMO a dumb directive and it has turned into a left vs right argument or if you like GOD vs monkeys.....Good vs Evil...........
You didn't mention any names here so I'll just have to guess who you are talking to. I'm not sure which 2 you are refering too, maybe I am one of the two. It is really hard to tell but I have to imagine I am not one of the two. Since I do not bash God or religion I really doubt you are talking about me.
So, although I am sure you aren't referring to me, I would like to know where you see the arguement about God vs. monkeys or Good vs Evil. I do not see it at all.

 

[veni vidi vici]

I have a question for the both of you.Should GOD be removed from everything in this country. --- Bless America,In --- We Trust,One Nation Under ---? Should we remove God from the Declaration of Independence and all the documents that this country was founded on?
Jimic you called our military personel Bigots and Racists, it makes me wonder what your thinking. Jert im sure you saw this but said nothing,being a military man im suprised you didnt speak up.But mention the word GOD and you have plenty to say.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I have a question for the both of you.Should GOD be removed from everything in this country. --- Bless America,In --- We Trust,One Nation Under ---? Should we remove God from the Declaration of Independence and all the documents that this country was founded on?
Jimic you called our military personel Bigots and Racists, it makes me wonder what your thinking. Jert im sure you saw this but said nothing,being a military man im suprised you didnt speak up.But mention the word GOD and you have plenty to say.

Again, how does that relate to god? I don't care who says god and where they say it because I neither believe or disbelieve and don't care.
Also, please don't take what I say out of context. Again, find one post on this thread where I bashed religion.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I have a question for the both of you.Should GOD be removed from everything in this country. --- Bless America,In --- We Trust,One Nation Under ---? Should we remove God from the Declaration of Independence and all the documents that this country was founded on?
Jimic you called our military personel Bigots and Racists, it makes me wonder what your thinking. Jert im sure you saw this but said nothing,being a military man im suprised you didnt speak up.But mention the word GOD and you have plenty to say.
Oh, so it appears you were referring to me. Umm, this seems a bit of topic, but to answer your question I do not have any significant opinion on the semantics used in pledges, on our money, or patriotic phrases.
As far as Jmick statement, I believe I did read it and it didn't sound like he was saying that about military personel but rather saying that some people in the military are like that. I have to agree, there is nothing about being in the military that means you will or will no be a bigot. There are plenty of racist people in the armed forces and plenty of people who are not racist.
As far as me having plenty to say at the mention of the word GOD, I would ask you to look back and see that I started responding to this thread long before the topic of GOD was brought up. I responded about common sense, not about religion.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Again, how does that relate to god? I don't care who says god and where they say it because I neither believe or disbelieve and don't care.
Also, please don't take what I say out of context. Again, find one post on this thread where I bashed religion.
Would the word anti-religion better suit you?