water perameter??
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renogaw
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erm, hardness meaning calcium? for reef you want 400-440
alk about 10dkh
ph should be 8.2-8.4
trates as close to zero as possible
trites ALWAYS zero
additional kits you'll want:
phosphates should be close to zero
magnesium between 1200-1300
ammonia obviously zero
iodine test kits should tell you where to be (get if you're having issues with invert molting)
alk about 10dkh
ph should be 8.2-8.4
trates as close to zero as possible
trites ALWAYS zero
additional kits you'll want:
phosphates should be close to zero
magnesium between 1200-1300
ammonia obviously zero
iodine test kits should tell you where to be (get if you're having issues with invert molting)
renogaw
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
Is that old wives tale about Iodine still circulating?
care to elaborate?
Iodine Concentrate safely replenishes the iodine concentration, which benefits molting crustaceans and promotes vitality and bright coloration in corals, anemones, and Tridacna spp. clams. Helps prevent bleaching in corals, and is especially useful for the cultivation of Xenia and other delicate soft corals
Is that old wives tale about Iodine still circulating?
care to elaborate?
Iodine Concentrate safely replenishes the iodine concentration, which benefits molting crustaceans and promotes vitality and bright coloration in corals, anemones, and Tridacna spp. clams. Helps prevent bleaching in corals, and is especially useful for the cultivation of Xenia and other delicate soft corals
yosemite sam
Active Member
Read Bang's posts here: https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/248424/iodine-and-shrimp-molt
notsonoob
Member
Intresting read about iodine and molts
I have to say that there are alot of wives tales that are accepted as truths...and many truths cast to be wives tales....
I did a web check and there are alot of pages that suggest iodine is crutial.
I will say, lack of iodine lead to the collapse of my clams and lack of soft growth, but my inverts molted just fine. In fact, they filled thier bellies on clams...
However, I'll never buy the arguement that water changes with salt adds enough trace elements to your tank...because that is what I did...and my crabs had clam chowder for breakfast and molted. Now a weekly suppliement of reef plus and my tank is growing well enough.
I have to say that there are alot of wives tales that are accepted as truths...and many truths cast to be wives tales....
I did a web check and there are alot of pages that suggest iodine is crutial.
I will say, lack of iodine lead to the collapse of my clams and lack of soft growth, but my inverts molted just fine. In fact, they filled thier bellies on clams...
However, I'll never buy the arguement that water changes with salt adds enough trace elements to your tank...because that is what I did...and my crabs had clam chowder for breakfast and molted. Now a weekly suppliement of reef plus and my tank is growing well enough.
yosemite sam
Active Member
Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
However, I'll never buy the arguement that water changes with salt adds enough trace elements to your tank...because that is what I did...and my crabs had clam chowder for breakfast and molted. Now a weekly suppliement of reef plus and my tank is growing well enough.
What are you basing this on? Do you test regularly for trace elements? Which ones? I do water changes every 2 weeks. The only additives I've ever added are for calcium and alkalinity, and I've never had problems keeping things alive.
However, I'll never buy the arguement that water changes with salt adds enough trace elements to your tank...because that is what I did...and my crabs had clam chowder for breakfast and molted. Now a weekly suppliement of reef plus and my tank is growing well enough.
What are you basing this on? Do you test regularly for trace elements? Which ones? I do water changes every 2 weeks. The only additives I've ever added are for calcium and alkalinity, and I've never had problems keeping things alive.
bang guy
Moderator
Originally Posted by renogaw
care to elaborate?
The people that sell trace elements advocate testing and adding Iodine, or, often they advocate adding Iodine without testing.
The scientists that study crustaceans often mention that there is no known use for Iodine by crustaceans.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with maintaining natural levels of Iodine but it's nearly impossible. On the downside, overdosing is easy and disasterous.
care to elaborate?
The people that sell trace elements advocate testing and adding Iodine, or, often they advocate adding Iodine without testing.
The scientists that study crustaceans often mention that there is no known use for Iodine by crustaceans.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with maintaining natural levels of Iodine but it's nearly impossible. On the downside, overdosing is easy and disasterous.
notsonoob
Member
Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam
What are you basing this on? Do you test regularly for trace elements? Which ones? I do water changes every 2 weeks. The only additives I've ever added are for calcium and alkalinity, and I've never had problems keeping things alive.
I base everything off of experience, not word of mouth. I did the same exact thing with 5% weekly water changes and my corals stymied and clams crashed. I was also reading boards where you should not add without testing.
At the time I couldn't find any tests for trace elements, but it was recommended and the thoughts were lack of elements especially iodine (from a marine biologist's lips). Even the LFS didn't have testing available (but probably for a PR$CE.
6 months later I've had no problems.
Maybe it was the salt itself as I was using the same source as now, but I won't take the chance.
Of course the other flip to the coin is that I use softened water, which reduces calcium and mangesium, from the water before my RO/DI filters. Of course I hadn't thought about looking into that until recently either.
What are you basing this on? Do you test regularly for trace elements? Which ones? I do water changes every 2 weeks. The only additives I've ever added are for calcium and alkalinity, and I've never had problems keeping things alive.
I base everything off of experience, not word of mouth. I did the same exact thing with 5% weekly water changes and my corals stymied and clams crashed. I was also reading boards where you should not add without testing.
At the time I couldn't find any tests for trace elements, but it was recommended and the thoughts were lack of elements especially iodine (from a marine biologist's lips). Even the LFS didn't have testing available (but probably for a PR$CE.
6 months later I've had no problems.
Maybe it was the salt itself as I was using the same source as now, but I won't take the chance.
Of course the other flip to the coin is that I use softened water, which reduces calcium and mangesium, from the water before my RO/DI filters. Of course I hadn't thought about looking into that until recently either.
notsonoob
Member
Overdosing is also why I am adding only 1/2 the recommended dose for reef plus and stay way from other than just straight calcium in those suppliments. There are alot of compounded suppliments. Calcium with this, this with that.
That is where I think most of hte overdosing problems comes from. When you add suppliments and compound the trace elements with each addition.
Just like a one a day multivitiman, in which should be a 1 a week multivitiman. All the leftover suppliments is just going to rot you from the inside out over time.
That is where I think most of hte overdosing problems comes from. When you add suppliments and compound the trace elements with each addition.
Just like a one a day multivitiman, in which should be a 1 a week multivitiman. All the leftover suppliments is just going to rot you from the inside out over time.
perfectdark
Active Member
Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
I base everything off of experience, not word of mouth. I did the same exact thing with 5% weekly water changes and my corals stymied and clams crashed. I was also reading boards where you should not add without testing.
At the time I couldn't find any tests for trace elements, but it was recommended and the thoughts were lack of elements especially iodine (from a marine biologist's lips). Even the LFS didn't have testing available (but probably for a PR$CE.
6 months later I've had no problems.
Maybe it was the salt itself as I was using the same source as now, but I won't take the chance.
Of course the other flip to the coin is that I use softened water, which reduces calcium and mangesium, from the water before my RO/DI filters. Of course I hadn't thought about looking into that until recently either.
Not to offend any Marine biologists out there but IMO when people hear of things spoken from a biologist, it is stated like it came from the proverbial burning bush. I always use discretion even when taking advise no matter who its from. I look at it this way, weather or not they finished first in their class or last in their class at the end of their schooling we all call them Dr. I hold the same reserve for other professions whos reputation doesnt preceed them. My guess is you issue with lack of trace elements was from the salt mix you used and as a general rule its just common sense to test for anything you are thinking about dosing. Just my 2 cents...
I base everything off of experience, not word of mouth. I did the same exact thing with 5% weekly water changes and my corals stymied and clams crashed. I was also reading boards where you should not add without testing.
At the time I couldn't find any tests for trace elements, but it was recommended and the thoughts were lack of elements especially iodine (from a marine biologist's lips). Even the LFS didn't have testing available (but probably for a PR$CE.
6 months later I've had no problems.
Maybe it was the salt itself as I was using the same source as now, but I won't take the chance.
Of course the other flip to the coin is that I use softened water, which reduces calcium and mangesium, from the water before my RO/DI filters. Of course I hadn't thought about looking into that until recently either.
Not to offend any Marine biologists out there but IMO when people hear of things spoken from a biologist, it is stated like it came from the proverbial burning bush. I always use discretion even when taking advise no matter who its from. I look at it this way, weather or not they finished first in their class or last in their class at the end of their schooling we all call them Dr. I hold the same reserve for other professions whos reputation doesnt preceed them. My guess is you issue with lack of trace elements was from the salt mix you used and as a general rule its just common sense to test for anything you are thinking about dosing. Just my 2 cents...