we need help with small reef system

rabbit_72

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Even if we rushed the tanks over a year and a half ago, would it not have cycled by now? Also, we seeded it from a mature tank. We thought that would help. But hey, no problem not doing a water change. My hubby won't mind a break.
Anyhoo, the girls are not allowed in here when I am not. Between the tank and my computer, all would be lost if I let the little rugrats in here. Once I found Cherrios and Kix floating in my FW tank. I about had a cow. But we do have a 55 gal tank in the livingroom and they don't touch it...anymore.. although my 1 year old thinks the salt crrep on the sides tastes good! I have since told the hubby to keep that clean.
I will show my hubby your post here about how to check the voltage thing. Sounds like a lot of fun checking that!
Also, living in Wisconsin, there aren't many places to go here. We have a national pet store chain 20 miles south of us, and they only think they know anything. Actually they know nothing. The tanks are not well kept up and fish are always looking stressed. So we don't go there too often. There's a little "hole-in-the-wall" place in that same town, but one of the owners is kind of grumpy and their tanks do not look very clean.
Where we usually go, about an hour north of us, has excellent corals and fish, both salt and fressh. Always look healthy and meticulously clean. Not to mention, their advice has not actually been wrong. Oh, and prices are very reasonable. But because our problem is such a mystery, she advised we check message boards, wondering if anyone else has had a similar problem. If we can't figure out what is going on, our last resort is to ditch everything and buy everything, and I mean everything, new. I really don't want to go there. This stuff doesn't come cheap and we have another baby on the way. Looking at my corals used to calm me after hectic days and I miis it very much. But what good is the tank if everything we put in it dies?
Bummer.
 

ophiura

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Again, don't know if it is covered. Do you add any additives such as Iodine?
Do you move the rocks around or siphon the sand?
 

rabbit_72

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Only a few pieces of LR were from the bigger tank, as well as a handful of substrate and a few gallons of water.
We add iodine and trace elements...the recommended dosage. only occasionally move rocks and stuff when siphoning.
Have you ever heard of the product BIO-Spira marine nitrifying bacteria? Package says it can be used with each water change when new fish are added and whever an established auarium expiriences water quality problemsassociated with disruption in the bio-filter. We are wondering if this might help.
 
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tiberius

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So please tell me you have an iodine test kit.
I have never heard of Bio-Spira. What salt do you use? Most salt mixes come with nutrients added. I don't add any of those things in my tank. Plus, if you don't have a test kit for an ingredient then you really shouldn't put it in your tank. Hopefully, if you go to that pet store they can test your water for everything so you won't have to buy the test kit.
I wouldn't mess with it for a month and check your parameters again then.
 

ophiura

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IMO, your problem is not your biological filter, or you would see ammonia or nitrite readings. If you do not, even after the fish deaths, then it is not really the major concern.
I do not believe you need to waste...oops...spend money on bio-spira. If you want to spend the money, get more LR.
Did your additional LR come from the LFS...bought from another hobbyist, etc?
I agree, please tell me you have an iodine test kit. If not, I would stop adding it, and the trace elements immediately. Actually I would stop adding all of those IMMEDIATELY. You do plenty of water changed to not need them.
It is like the fact that you can do serious harm to yourself from taking too many vitamins.
 

rabbit_72

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that is a good idea we'll let it sit fore a month before we check paramaters again.we use instantocean we have been using that since we first started the 55.and we stuck with it.bio-spira is from marineland labs if you go to www.marinelandlabs.com the packet was given to us from one of the reps at the frag swap last year.we have a iodine test but it might be out dated.thank you for your advice.
 

trippkid

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Stray voltage, like Tiberius said could possibly do something like this. Do you feel any tingling or numbing if your hands are in water. I'm not telling you to do this, just asking if you have noticed, you could hurt yourself. The volt meter is the way to go if you are thinking on those lines. Everybody is hitting all the right stuff here. Voltage could be it????
 
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tiberius

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Originally Posted by MarineMan0
do a water change
That won't solve the problem now.
 

rabbit_72

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Nope... no tingling.
All the advice has been great here. It seems no matter how much you learn about saltwater tanks, there's always something else to learn. And it's amazing how when something goes wrong, it really goes wrong, especially with small tanks.
We are going to stop water changes for a month, stop adding iodine and trace elements and maybe even buy new live rock. We gonna try it all, cause it can't get any worse, right? If all else fails, we just will have to start over again.
Thanks, and we will probably be here alot now that we found this message board.
 

trippkid

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Good luck, hopefully things will right themselves. If not, cutting losses is sometimes the only choice. Again, I hope you get it worked out. One last ? though, did you have shoes on when hands were in tank. That can prohibit the ground you are becoming and you won't feel anything, also if not touching the ground(standing on plastic stool or something of the like). Just a thought. Had voltage leak only could feel it when in bare feet(or socks, I think), and on the concrete. Any time I was wearing shoes no shock, mine was a bad ground on the outlet. Fixed and no more shock.
 

rabbit_72

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hmmmm...good question. We usually have shoes or slippers on around here, especially in winter and being in Wisconsin, it is finally becoming real nice out. I'll tell hubby to try without his shoes on. I just bought a damsel (less than $3) to put in to see if adding O2 with a bubblestone helps, although my hubby hummed "Taps" as he brought the little fishy in the house. From here, we will see. I am just going to let this go for now and see how things turn out. Waiting one more month on this tank sure isn't going to hurt. Just disappointed that we won't have it fixed in time for the frag swap in a couple of weeks. I would have put up photos of the corals that are in there now. I think it might have helped. If only I could have figured out how to make the pics fit right... mine are too big, I guess.
 

rabbit_72

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Well, my hubby put his clean hand in the tank without his shoes, but did not feel any tingling or numbness. The damsel we put in just hours ago, is already dead (maybe around 7ish in the evening). So it only lasted maybe 3 hours. It swam down to where all the other fish have gone and there it die... or maybe it just needed a nap and it will wake back up?? Checked all through the tank, and see there is current going all through the live rock, water is crystal clear.
So let's say in a month or so, we purchase new sustrate, filter, live rock and such, will all other equipment still be useable? Is there a way to safely disinfect everything? If there is a toxin harboring in the LR, would it not carry over to another tank if we moved it? My hubby took some out about a week or 2 ago, and put it into a second QT and there is a chromis in there that is doing just fine. Weird...and frustrating.
 

trippkid

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I'll keep my wheels turning on this, very strange. There is a product called SanAqua that can be used to disinfect equipment and the like. I would scrub and triple or quadruple rinse everything in known clean water either way. Did the fish turn very dark or anything(stress)? I would restart with new sand,rock, maybe even new aquarium???, take apart all equipment and scrub,rinse,scrub, rinse, etc.(or buy new, budget???). I'll check to see if the SanAqua is safe to use on equipment, not totally sure. I'm glad your husband didn't get shocked, mine was pretty bad(really hurt, burned almost).
 

rabbit_72

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We could be as poor as church mice, but there is always room in the budget for more fish stuff! It might take a while as we have our 4th baby on the way!
Anyhoo, the damsel yesterday....the color didn't change and was swimming normally at first. Then he started ra[id breathing then stopped fighting the current and basically floated around until he got stuck in some live rock and died there.
I just wonder if it was a toxin, would the remaining corals be dead too? Or the snails? The corals that are left look terrible, only a shadow of their former selves. Snails are same as always. Ammonia and all that are at zero, so no funny business there. This is just so strange. I just don't understand what went so wrong that now this has been going on for so long. I mean, not even a damsel can survive a few hours! Ugh!
 

rabbit_72

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Well, we are now talking about buying new tank and equipment and letting it run for a year then adding corals. Of course we'd stick fish in it at first. There just doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of options right now. Do you think it would be okay to take the snails out and move them to a QT? Do you think they would infect the QT?
I am originally from outside Philly...I have never heard of Lewiserry... near any major cities? I miss PA...especially the food!
 

petjunkie

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Wow, this really is confusing! I hate to say it but I would seriously consider a new tank also, cleaning all equipment in bleach and letting it dry completely before reusing, maybe even getting new live rock. With large water changes already and running carbon you would think any chemicals would be greatly dimished and you said some corals are still hanging on. Doesn't make sense to me but I hope you get it figured out and don't give up. My boyfriend and I are also going to the frag swap, maybe we'll see you there!
 
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