Week 4

[kjr_trig]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/20#post_3316273
I'd have to agree that the Pac is very good this year. Out of conference/bowl games are the best indication and so far the Pac is doing VERY well.
You say the Pac doesn't play D yet Oregon held Tennessee to fewer points that the mighty Floriduh and LSU did. USC held Minnesota to their fewest points of the season and are tied for fewest points for Virginia. Arizona State held Wisconsin to their fewest points, Arizona held Iowa to 27, Penn state held them to 24, Cal sucks but they held Colorado to 7 points, least Colorado has scored is 24 in the rest of their games which includes a win against Georgia. You really want me to keep going?
Wow, good stuff there.
The depth of the Pac 10 is really good this year...Throw out terrible WSU, and Oregon whom is a little bit better, and no result from the middle 8 teams in the Pac 10 playing each other will be a surprise.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/20#post_3316268
Why doesn't LSU beat crappy teams by the same margin as Oregon? Oregon beat #9 ranked 4-1 Stanford by a larger margin than LSU beat 2-2 North Carolina and 2-3 Tennessee by and almost as much as LSU beat 1-3 Vanderbilt by. Where LSU needed a lot of luck to beat Tennessee Oregon beat them 48-13. You'd have to be a complete fool or a SUC fanboy to vote LSU over Oregon in any poll.
You people are missing the point. I could care less how crappy LSU's team is this year. What I'm try to get through to your closed mind is that if LSU did have a quality team this year, and were currently ranked below Oregon and Bosie St., they would get picked over either of those teams for thr NC due to their popularity with the Coaches, their past history in Bowl competitions, and most importantly, their strength of schedule. Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if Oklahoma jumps Oregon before the season is over. If they blow out Missouri and Oklahoma State, it could happen. The way UCLA is playing, Oregon's NC hope may end in a couple of weeks.
Since 2000, the Big 12 and SEC have had the most apearances in the Championship Game. The PAC-10 has only had two appearances, both by USC. When it comes down to the wire, and you have multiple undefeated teams at the end of the season, history has shown the Big 12 and SEC teams get picked for the NC game over one of the other divisions.

 

[kjr_trig]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3316359
You people are missing the point. I could care less how crappy LSU's team is this year. What I'm try to get through to your closed mind is that if LSU did have a quality team this year, and were currently ranked below Oregon and Bosie St., they would get picked over either of those teams for thr NC due to their popularity with the Coaches, their past history in Bowl competitions, and most importantly, their strength of schedule. Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if Oklahoma jumps Oregon before the season is over. If they blow out Missouri and Oklahoma State, it could happen. The way UCLA is playing, Oregon's NC hope may end in a couple of weeks.
Since 2000, the Big 12 and SEC have had the most apearances in the Championship Game. The PAC-10 has only had two appearances, both by USC. When it comes down to the wire, and you have multiple undefeated teams at the end of the season, history has shown the Big 12 and SEC teams get picked for the NC game over one of the other divisions.
That's because it's very difficult to make it through the Pac 10 undefeated. The winner of Texas/Oklahoma has been all but guaranteed to not lose a game in the Big 12 the last several years, but then look at OU's BCS record, what 1-6 I think. Nebraska is finally good this year.
You're the one not getting the point...Quit comparing Boise and Oregon, it is a ridiculous comparison. Both great teams, one plays a hard schedule, one plays an easy one....STOP COMPARING BOISE AND OREGON.
Oregon is going to throttle UCLA, wait and see. You wanna believe UCLA must be great because the hammered Texas, UCLA damn near lost to WSU last week, and WSU hasn't won a Pac 10 game in almost 2 years.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3316359
You people arehttps://forums.saltwaterfish.com/forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3316375 missing the point. I could care less how crappy LSU's team is this year. What I'm try to get through to your closed mind is that if LSU did have a quality team this year, and were currently ranked below Oregon and Bosie St., they would get picked over either of those teams for thr NC due to their popularity with the Coaches, their past history in Bowl competitions, and most importantly, their strength of schedule. Shoot, I wouldn't be surprised if Oklahoma jumps Oregon before the season is over. If they blow out Missouri and Oklahoma State, it could happen. The way UCLA is playing, Oregon's NC hope may end in a couple of weeks.
Since 2000, the Big 12 and SEC have had the most apearances in the Championship Game. The PAC-10 has only had two appearances, both by USC. When it comes down to the wire, and you have multiple undefeated teams at the end of the season, history has shown the Big 12 and SEC teams get picked for the NC game over one of the other divisions.
Oregon has already beat one top 10 team and has the possibility of playing another, AZ 2nd from the last game of the season. No way OK or LSU jumps them if they take out an undefeated AZ team. Auburn and Arkansas play before either plays LSU so the best LSU can hope for is to play 2 top 10 teams. SOS is a non issue. ANother factor you mention is which team the coaches like. Miles is seen as a bumbling fool who wins in spite of himself. You really think a lot of coaches want to be seen rewarding that goober unless they have no choice?

 

[monsinour]

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/20#post_3316241
But if it happened Oregon would play Ohio St. in the title game.
Yup, that is what would happen.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/20#post_3316276
If you are assuming Bama loses I'd say If Oregon keeps up with the solid wins I think they'd be a lock, especially if number 9 ranked Arizona keeps winning until they play Oregon late in the season. I dunno, if Bama wins out and If Ohio state has a couple of close calls or lucky wins Oregon might jump them based on OSU's pathetic record in NC games recently.
And even though we havent done well in the MNC game, the performance in last years rose bowl is fresh on the minds of the voters. OSU doesnt get jumped by anyone.
As it stands now for all the oregon fans this is what you need and its not that hard to get:
You need the coaches to realize that boise is not that great a team and move oregon above them
You need Florida to lose one more game and then beat bama in ATL
This will put you #2 at the end of the year and on a plane to Glendale.

 

[bionicarm]

It's going to take an Alabama and Ohio St. loss for Oregon to have any chance of going to the NC game. This week's AP Poll gave Boise St. a first place vote over Oregon, so I guess that committee has no respect for Oregon. ESPN's Power Rankings actually have Oregon over Ohio St. The only other way Oregon has a slight chance of making the Big Show is if they finish the season strong with blowouts against all their opponents, and Alabama and Ohio St. have a "come from behind" win against a weaker opponent. If not, expect to see a "Sea of Red" at next year's Fiesta Bowl in Arizona.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3316435
It's going to take an Alabama and Ohio St. loss for Oregon to have any chance of going to the NC game. This week's AP Poll gave Boise St. a first place vote over Oregon, so I guess that committee has no respect for Oregon. ESPN's Power Rankings actually have Oregon over Ohio St. The only other way Oregon has a slight chance of making the Big Show is if they finish the season strong with blowouts against all their opponents, and Alabama and Ohio St. have a "come from behind" win against a weaker opponent. If not, expect to see a "Sea of Red" at next year's Fiesta Bowl in Arizona.
You mean Bama OR OSU loss. Oregon has already jumped Boise St. in both polls and as far as the NC game the AP doesn't matter, they don't figure into the BSC. Don't see any reason why they would jump BS back over Oregon considering their respective schedules when they already jumped Oregon over BS.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3316412
Yup, that is what would happen.
And even though we havent done well in the MNC game, the performance in last years rose bowl is fresh on the minds of the voters. OSU doesnt get jumped by anyone.
As it stands now for all the oregon fans this is what you need and its not that hard to get:
You need the coaches to realize that boise is not that great a team and move oregon above them
You need Florida to lose one more game and then beat bama in ATL
This will put you #2 at the end of the year and on a plane to Glendale.
Hello? Do you people actually watch what's going on? Oregon has already jumped Boise in the Coaches poll.....
It isn't like OSU dominated in the Rose Bowl. They could be jumped. Not saying they will be but a couple of close wins against crappy teams and Oregon keeps winning strong the would get jumped.
Coaches poll
Wk. 3 Oregon 1181 OSU 1410
Wk. 4 Oregon 1243 OSU 1412
Wk. 5 Oregon 1300 OSU 1377
Never say never. In 3 weeks Oregon jumped Boise and TCU and went from 229 to 77 points behind OSU.
I believe Florida is too far back to make #1 or 2 even over an unbeaten Boise St team. Number 12 currently. They got dropped a few spots even before the loss because of their poor performance even in a couple wins.

 

[monsinour]

Lookie there, oregon jumped alabama. Well, alabama lost so that would make sense. Polls should be out soon, wonder who's #1 in the polls that dont count?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3317892
Lookie there, oregon jumped alabama. Well, alabama lost so that would make sense. Polls should be out soon, wonder who's #1 in the polls that dont count?
I am still trying to figure out how Bama playing in the same division as LSU, LSU leads said division and Bama is ranked higher than LSU?
Oregon really only need to worry about Nebraska jumping them. Ska has a chance to really impress. They just beat undefeated K State, get Texass next then undefeateds Oki State and Mizzu. If they get strong wins in those games Oregon can get jumped. They have to play UCLA, USC and Washington. I thing they will be expected to beat UCLA bad when UCLA isn't that bad a team, USC has a awesome offense that's going to do nothing but get better so while Oregon will get the win it isn't going to impress cause SC is going to put up some points. Then Wash. nuff said

 

[monsinour]

very valid points. But in all honesty, I dont see nebraska getting past the big 12 title game. K state was big and fat on nobodys.
The one thing I hate about this year, mich state doesnt play ohio state. No real challenges left on mich state schedule other than Iowa since penn state just got embarrased at home by the fighting zookers.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380879/week-4/40#post_3317925
very valid points. But in all honesty, I dont see nebraska getting past the big 12 title game. K state was big and fat on nobodys.
The one thing I hate about this year, mich state doesnt play ohio state. No real challenges left on mich state schedule other than Iowa since penn state just got embarrased at home by the fighting zookers.
M State doesn't look that strong though, not sure they'd stand much of a chance against OSU. Illinois game should be a good test for them.

 

[monsinour]

Dantonia knows how to coach and his staff knows what to do. The problem with mstate is, the longer they go undefeated and un tested, the harder they will be to beat. mstate did show wisky the door and deflated meatchicken's bubble. the fighting zookers game will be a good one, but a game that mstate can easily win. The real test will be the iowa game. It has taken a little bit, but I think my fears of Dantonio at mstate are starting to materialize. Dantonio learned a ton from tressel at YSU and OSU. He also built the foundation at cincinnati that kelly used for a promotion to notre lame. I have a feeling that MSU will be replacing scUM as a premier team in the b-10, well as long as DickRod is in place at scUM. That shouldnt be too long after this year though. I dont see him getting past this year up there.

 

[stdreb27]

whoh what is the deal with bama? I love it when No 1's loose, it screws up the whole ranking system. lol