Well hello Mr. Governor, say hello to your fans...

So I have a business in Canton, Ohio; and I just got a call from a friend who is downtown where our governor Kasich (republican) is speaking at the Chamber of Commerce dinner. Apparently the people aren't thrilled that he is in support of a back door bill very similar to the one in Wisconsin right now. From what I hear there are thousands of teachers, police, fire, and other public people down there making his life a living hell. Including the fire department running up and down the streets sirens in full blaring mode...
thoughts?
 

1snapple

Active Member
I can't wait for government officials to actually do something for the people.........
It would be a nice change.
 

darthtang 2

Member
You don't want my thoughts......every other business has cut some thing for there employees.....states are running huge defecits......what is the alternative.....that is what I want to know......
 

reefraff

Active Member
How dare someone be expected to give up something when their employer is in a financial emergency.
If the firemen are really running up and down the streets sirens blaring they should be terminated on the spot. Misuse of public property.
 

socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3363536
How dare someone be expected to give up something when their employer is in a financial emergency.
If the firemen are really running up and down the streets sirens blaring they should be terminated on the spot. Misuse of public property.
They have no idea how much it pisses me off to watch them burn up fuel. It makes me want to jerk their pensions and outlaw their unions. It really hurts the way people view them. Civil service and school teachers...both fields should be union-free, imo. I come from a place where the fire fighters are volunteers. I don't see any of them acting like jerkwads with their sirens blazing.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by socal57che http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3363923
They have no idea how much it pisses me off to watch them burn up fuel. It makes me want to jerk their pensions and outlaw their unions. It really hurts the way people view them. Civil service and school teachers...both fields should be union-free, imo. I come from a place where the fire fighters are volunteers. I don't see any of them acting like jerkwads with their sirens blazing.
Public employees shouldn't be allowed to unionize? Guess which president you just agreed with?
 

slice

Active Member
FDR, surprisingly
or maybe not so surprising, he didn't want anything in the way of his imperial power...
 

socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3363994
Public employees shouldn't be allowed to unionize? Guess which president you just agreed with?
I even agreed with Obama on an issue. One, that I can think of. It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage.
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to. I am not a republican. Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me. Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
 

darthtang 2

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I even agreed with Obama on an issue.  One, that I can think of.  It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage. 
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to.  I am not a republican.  Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me.  Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
 
I wonder what our country would be like had perot won......
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by darthtang 2 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364040
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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364004
I even agreed with Obama on an issue. One, that I can think of. It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage.
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to. I am not a republican. Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me. Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
I wonder what our country would be like had perot won......
LOL...We would all have to wear Mickey Mouse ears
 

darthtang 2

Member

 
 LOL...We would all have to wear Mickey Mouse ears
That would be a step up from skinny girl jeans I see kids wearing....
Darth (if I can see your underwear you belt has a defect) Tang
 

reefraff

Active Member
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Originally Posted by socal57che http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364004
I even agreed with Obama on an issue. One, that I can think of. It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage.
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to. I am not a republican. Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me. Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
In this case you agreed with Liberal icon FDR who felt there was no reason for government employees to belong to unions.
 

darthtang 2

Member

I even agreed with Obama on an issue.  One, that I can think of.  It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage. 
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to.  I am not a republican.  Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me.  Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
 
And then a couple years later he remained quiet while somalia pirates captured and killed a U.S. family................he is to worried about ruffli g feathers that he is inactive on anything....except healthcare of course...and evenin that his input was ab sent from the bill....this guy is the most non decisive president since carter...dude make a stand.......seriously...even his khadafi statement was a lot of words amounting to nothing.......this guy is polarized himself.
Darth (who wants to vacation near somalia anyway) Tang
 

socal57che

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Quote:
Originally Posted by darthtang 2 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364040
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Originally Posted by socal57che http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364004
I even agreed with Obama on an issue. One, that I can think of. It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage.
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to. I am not a republican. Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me. Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
I wonder what our country would be like had perot won......
We would likely have a better grip on our spending. I'm sure that tighter regulation of government pensions would have been implemented, and possible deunionizing of government employees. He was a businessman and knew what to do to get our money problems under control.
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Originally Posted by darthtang 2 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364045
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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364042
LOL...We would all have to wear Mickey Mouse ears
That would be a step up from skinny girl jeans I see kids wearing....
Darth (if I can see your underwear you belt has a defect) Tang
Agree, times 10billion.
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Originally Posted by reefraff
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In this case you agreed with Liberal icon FDR who felt there was no reason for government employees to belong to unions.
Again, I can agree with people who have something worth agreeing with. Just because FDR was the most powerful player the socialist movement has seen in America doesn't mean he didn't have a few things right. Most people don't realize how many of the programs we despise today came from the desk of FDR.
Unions had their time and place in American history, but they have far outlived their usefulnes and have become a cancer.
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Originally Posted by darthtang 2 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364057
Quote:
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364004
I even agreed with Obama on an issue. One, that I can think of. It was when he remained quiet and allowed sharpshooters to "eliminate" some Somali pirates that were holding a ship's captain hostage.
I'll agree with democrats when they utter or do things worth agreeing to. I am not a republican. Republicans simply hold more of the same views as me. Once upon a time, I voted for H. Ross Perot for POTUS.
And then a couple years later he remained quiet while somalia pirates captured and killed a U.S. family................he is to worried about ruffli g feathers that he is inactive on anything....except healthcare of course...and evenin that his input was ab sent from the bill....this guy is the most non decisive president since carter...dude make a stand.......seriously...even his khadafi statement was a lot of words amounting to nothing.......this guy is polarized himself.
Darth (who wants to vacation near somalia anyway) Tang
That's why I have such a hard time finding more than one thing I supported him on. There just aren't many reasons to get behind the guy.
 

beth

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Conservatives talk a good deal about how outrageous it is to for state employees to expect to keep the salary and benefits they have but, as a state employee myself, I have to protest. When an employee accepts a job, salary, leave, and benefits, its all a part of a package, and agreed upon at hire. In fact, in my state the benefits are often touted as reconciliation for such lousy salaries! LOL It certainly has been to me often enough. It is true that lousy salaries are not necessarily the case in strong union states, likely higher than the national average for comparable work, as are federal jobs. Still if you go to private sector, get a job, the job is offered to you as a package deal, which includes your salary, your leave, 401K, etc., what happens if the employer reneges?
That some private sector jobs are poor on benefits, doesn't mean that you can void out your obligations mid-stream. If a private contractor to a private business was told that what was offered in the contract was not going to be honored, that business would get sued, and the contractor would win too. Saying that reneging on state employee job obligations to spare them layoffs is a conniving talking point. Layoffs also means you have to lower your expectations on what must be done because you have had to dismiss many staff....however, state employees' workloads are never lowered, just handed out to whoever remains. Layoffs or not honoring hiring commitments never result in less work for less money or less staff.
While Republicans gained momentum mid-terms, I'm not sure that will hold for the presidential election 2012 if the streets of the USA look like Cairo did a couple weeks ago.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364158
Conservatives talk a good deal about how outrageous it is to for state employees to expect to keep the salary and benefits they have but, as a state employee myself, I have to protest. When an employee accepts a job, salary, leave, and benefits, its all a part of a package, and agreed upon at hire. In fact, in my state the benefits are often touted as reconciliation for such lousy salaries! LOL It certainly has been to me often enough. It is true that lousy salaries are not necessarily the case in strong union states, likely higher than the national average for comparable work, as are federal jobs. Still if you go to private sector, get a job, the job is offered to you as a package deal, which includes your salary, your leave, 401K, etc., what happens if the employer reneges?
That some private sector jobs are poor on benefits, doesn't mean that you can void out your obligations mid-stream. If a private contractor to a private business was told that what was offered in the contract was not going to be honored, that business would get sued, and the contractor would win too. Saying that reneging on state employee job obligations to spare them layoffs is a conniving talking point. Layoffs also means you have to lower your expectations on what must be done because you have had to dismiss many staff....however, state employees' workloads are never lowered, just handed out to whoever remains. Layoffs or not honoring hiring commitments never result in less work for less money or less staff.
While Republicans gained momentum mid-terms, I'm not sure that will hold for the presidential election 2012 if the streets of the USA look like Cairo did a couple weeks ago.
This isn't Egypt, this is Greece...
 

beth

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Staff member
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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364163
This isn't Egypt, this is Greece...
Don't deceive yourself into thinking that this country is on the verge of financial ruin. Yes, we have spent money like water flowing out of a broken dam, but we are still way way ahead of every other country, including China.
If only we could get our government members to do less politics, and more governing. The day pork and sending billions overseas to countries that hate our guts is eliminated, then I may think we are on the brink. But no matter how red the ink on the paper gets, all of that waste continues unbridled while middle Americans bear the waste.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Our economic predicament is worse than people think. Social Security taxes had been helping to fund the general budget for decades. Just this year Social Security went into the red and with baby boomers starting to retire things are going to go down hill fast unless something is changed fast. What has been an additional source of funding now become a liability that is going to explode as baby boomers start to retire.
Not only are government workers going to have to settle for less, we are going to be hit with higher taxes before too long and all entitlements are going to be scaled back, I suspect after the next election. I am on disability and fully expect it to be cut back. Don't like it but I understand it.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/384076/well-hello-mr-governor-say-hello-to-your-fans#post_3364158
Conservatives talk a good deal about how outrageous it is to for state employees to expect to keep the salary and benefits they have but, as a state employee myself, I have to protest. When an employee accepts a job, salary, leave, and benefits, its all a part of a package, and agreed upon at hire. In fact, in my state the benefits are often touted as reconciliation for such lousy salaries! LOL It certainly has been to me often enough. It is true that lousy salaries are not necessarily the case in strong union states, likely higher than the national average for comparable work, as are federal jobs. Still if you go to private sector, get a job, the job is offered to you as a package deal, which includes your salary, your leave, 401K, etc., what happens if the employer reneges?
That some private sector jobs are poor on benefits, doesn't mean that you can void out your obligations mid-stream. If a private contractor to a private business was told that what was offered in the contract was not going to be honored, that business would get sued, and the contractor would win too. Saying that reneging on state employee job obligations to spare them layoffs is a conniving talking point. Layoffs also means you have to lower your expectations on what must be done because you have had to dismiss many staff....however, state employees' workloads are never lowered, just handed out to whoever remains. Layoffs or not honoring hiring commitments never result in less work for less money or less staff.
While Republicans gained momentum mid-terms, I'm not sure that will hold for the presidential election 2012 if the streets of the USA look like Cairo did a couple weeks ago.
In the case of the private sector employer no longer being able to financially support obligations made to employees................the business fails, employees go home, a new business that does not overextend itself takes it's place, then workers are hired to fill positions.
Government steals the money from other programs to support obligations it should not have made in the first place. I'm not opposed to government employment, but there are way too many government jobs with bloated retirement. I can post dozens of 6 figure bonuses that recently went out to government employees in Ca. Sheriffs taking in a quarter million dollars annually in retirement benefits. That's just plain wrong. Taxpayers are helpless to stop it because Sacramento is run by the labor unions and their money...which, in the case of unionized government employees, comes from the taxes I pay. This makes my blood boil. I'm paying to keep the viscious cycle alive and untouchable.
This only one of the problems bankrupting our system. The others belong in threads of their own. Everybody wants someone else to take the cuts, but it's nigh time to pay the piper.
 
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