What is a Healthy Coral?

bang guy

Moderator
This post is intended to start an open-minded debate on what constitutes a healthy coral. If you're the type to become offended when someone doesn't share your point of view then you should probably stop reading now.
This is a subtle dig to some of the responses I've read in the "Are You Responsible" thread. I believe BigMac's only goal was to get people to think more about their chosen inhabitants and research their requirements. This is a commendable goal that was achieved IMO regardless of a few squabbles.
I'll start with a few of the ideas I've gathered over the years through research and experience. I don't expect a lot of people to agree with me but I would like to hear ideas and thoughts on WHY they don't agree, not a one-line sentence that just says "wrong".
Premise:
Brightly colored SPS illuminated by a 400 watt 20,000K MH are the healthiest.
Guy's Thoughts:
I disagree. I don't believe they are unhealthy and I believe they are strikingly beautiful. I also believe they are under incredible stress. Most of the current literature I've read indicates that corals produce these flourescing proteins to either enhance the light they are receiving when they are not getting enough, or to block incoming light when they are getting too much. Either way a LOT of energy is used up to create these protective proteins. Energy that could be better used growing and reproducing.
I believe growth rate is a better indicator of Coral health than any visible clue including polyp extension and color.
Premise:
SPS should never be kept under anything less intense than MH.
Guy's Thoughts:
I disagree. This gets back to BigMac's goal....research! All SPS cannot be lumped together and treated equally. Many of the Hydnoporas, Montiporas and Seriatopora species grow SLOWER in intense light. OTOH most Acropora will almost stop all growth under anything less than intense light. Know your coral.... IMO one of the best indicators of coral requirements is the environment the coral was propogated from (I don't even want to consider wild colonies). If the coral was traded from a tank using 20 WPG of MH light then don't place it in your VHO lit aquarium and expect it to do well. There ARE Acros out there that will thrive under PC or VHO. My suggestion is to find them, buy them, and propogate them. Let someone else go through 20 different species before finding one that works.
Further thought:
If you initially setup a system using HID lighting you can still keep coral that don't do their best under intense light. They can be placed low in the tank, under a tank brace, off to the side, or even shaded by a more light loving distant relative. However, if you don't have HID light then your coral selection is irrevocably limited. Regardless of what some companies claim, most Acropora will die under flourescent lighting no matter how close to the bulb they are.
Premise:
Corals Thrive under HID lighting.
Guy's Thoughts:
Lighting is but one element of keeping healthy coral. Feeding, water parameters, water flow, temperature, etc. are all just as important. If you're new to the hobby do not underestimate the complexity of keeping a reef system. Regardless of your experience you will make mistakes. Keeping corals at the far end of the difficulty scale should be left to the very serious reef keepers. The rest of us should keep the corals that will survive a few bone-headed mistakes. This means keeping corals beneath our experience level until they have been mastered, not until you been able to grow one for a few months.
Further Thought:
Mastering a coral is more than keeping it alive. It's knowing what makes that coral tick, what it likes, what it dislikes. It's growing a colony from a frag, propogating, growing 2nd generation colonies, trading with fellow hobbiests. Making tank raised more valuable that the wild colonies. Helping the hobby by sharing your knowledge and experiences.
 

sammystingray

Active Member
My thoughts.....I don't think any corals have been tank propogated long enough (including the most propped acros) to change evvolution determined over millions of years.....saltwater tanks have only been kept a few decades (something like the mid 60s), and even fish are weaker in color when tank raised as of yet. The zooxanthellae potential of corals is only short term changed in corals, and the basic needs are inbred for millions of years.....I believe tank raised have the same needs as naturally occuring, but more stress is placed on ocean caught specimens when removed and placed in tanks...I also believe, of course, it is possible to change heredity (assimilation passed on), but I don't believe we have yet as far as corals go...all short term in my opinion.
 

reefnut

Active Member
Nice Thread :cool: and good point.
Originally posted by Bang Guy
This means keeping corals beneath our experience level until they have been mastered, not until you been able to grow one for a few months.
 

stacyt

Active Member
Let me ask this question about lighting. Lets say I have an 80 gallon tank with say with 2 X 175 MH, and 2 X 96 watt pc's for a total of 542 watts or 6.775 watts per gallon. Take the same tank, and replace with say 8X96 watt pc's for a total of 768 watts or 9.6 watts per gallon. Why would the MH's be better? I'm still realativly new to reefs, but I would think that the higher number of watts of pc's would be better. Also with the varying number of pc's you would be able to get a better combination of spectrum bulbs.
I do beleive that lighting is a very important factor, but we should also address the other factors as well. I know bigmac brought this up in the other thread, but everyone got focused so much on the lighting issue, that there was really no discussion on the other requirements.
Again I really don't have any 1st hand experience with sps so go easy on me. I can only say that I've seen, what looked to me very healthy specimens, under pc's.
 

plum70rt

Active Member
Wow, thanks Bang guy for making this a little clearer, the other thread I think was misread and headed in different directions, although I understood what it started out as, and tried to point out,
I think a Healthy coral is considered to be robust,prosperous,wholesome in Behavior and appearance,
and thats what I try to do in my tank,
So Far most everthing I have has grown some or has changed color for the better, I dont consider my self really experienced at all but do the research on what I want to keep in my tank, with what Equipment I have, thats what I think the original thoughts were in the first thread,
 

wamp

Active Member
StacyT
Halides offer a more intense light. Watt comparison is not the only factor. A 100w light bulb is not the same as a 100w VHO bulb. They are diffrent and provide diffrent characteristics.
Edit:
Just look at the affect the Halide has on the ripple of the water, a VHO, NO or PC will not provide that. It is a diffrent source all togther.
 

spsfreak100

Active Member
StacyT,
Metal Halides have a much higher P.A.R. rating than flourecent lighting. That's the reason why 150wts of Power Compacts is not better than 100wts of halides. Even though the wattage may be greater in the flourecent lighting, the P.A.R. rating is much higher in the halides.
Graham
 

richard rendos

Active Member
What is a healthy coral...my opinion...
no matter what type of coral...
Good coloration and good growth rate. Everyone needs to understand that <font color=red><b>EVERY</font></b> coral has different requirements to be truly healthy. The focus seems to be on SPS, but let me remind everyone that SPS, though a very large group of corals, are <font color=red><b>NOT</font></b> the only corals in the sea (or the aquarium). There are hundreds of corals available to hobbiests that do not require the intense lighting that SPS require. LPS, mushrooms, leathers, etc. are, in my opinion, equally beautiful corals, but have very different needs. Do the research, BB, internet, fellow hobbiests, BOOKS, magazines. There is a wealth of information out there if you just take the time and find it. If everyone did the research <font color=red><b>BEFORE</font></b> they bought something, they would have much more success at keeping those corals.
 

bang guy

Moderator
I just read a synopsis of Eric Borneman's lecture at IMAC. It was a great read.
What caught my eye was a statement about the most amazing reef Eric had ever seen. All of the SPS was exceedingly healthy and was a dazzeling robust Brown
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I thought this related very well to this thread.
 
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