What is Success ??

crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2837079
Crimzy, you are you. You define your life by how much you can "give" your family. That is monetary. I didn't see you talk about how much you can play games with your girls or how much time you can give them. You are talking about things that money can buy. That doesn't make you a success now, nor will it when you are 60.
Financial gains are certainly great but that isn't success IMO.
I agree with Mimzy on this one. To be successful you have to be happy with most aspects of your life. You have to be proud of what you have done as well as eager to do more.
As a provider, that's a very important role for me. Don't get me wrong, I spend almost all my time, when I'm not working, with my girls. I love that time but it's not really an achievement... family time cannot really be measured by success/failure.
Just out of curiosity, if you consider yourself a success, then what drives you?
 
mimzy

mimzy

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2837085
Just out of curiosity, if you consider yourself a success, then what drives you?
what IS this question? what does this question MEAN? I do not understand this question. please restate.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2837085
As a provider, that's a very important role for me. Don't get me wrong, I spend almost all my time, when I'm not working, with my girls. I love that time but it's not really an achievement... family time cannot really be measured by success/failure.
Just out of curiosity, if you consider yourself a success, then what drives you?
Time with your children isn't an achievement? Then what is? Your paycheck? Let me know, as your girls grow, how much of that money they appreciate VS time with their father.
I do consider myself a success.
 
darthtang aw

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Success for me is defined this way.
When I leave this world the lives I have touched and been in contact with are better for having known me that not ever having known me. That is true success.....
 
mimzy

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2837096
Success for me is defined this way.
When I leave this world the lives I have touched and been in contact with are better for having known me that not ever having known me. That is true success.....
beautiful. absolutely lovely!
 
mimzy

mimzy

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2837093
Time with your children isn't an achievement? Then what is? Your paycheck? Let me know, as your girls grow, how much of that money they appreciate VS time with their father.
I do consider myself a success.
::claps::
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2837096
Success for me is defined this way.
When I leave this world the lives I have touched and been in contact with are better for having known me that not ever having known me. That is true success.....
Most definitely
The saying "You can't take it with you" is coming to mind right now (meaning money)
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2837084
short stints of fabulously happy lives are successful in my book.

Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2837087
what IS this question? what does this question MEAN? I do not understand this question. please restate.

To rephrase, if you do consider yourself a success, then are there no goals left to achieve? Are their any ambitions left? Because I see success as an achievement of goals.
What I'm realizing is that the more we delve into this, the more I realize that the term "success" can be used in many different ways and by different people. The first quote you wrote, Mimzy is VERY interesting... got me thinking. In a sense I agree with this. I agree that someone who has died young may lead a full and successful life, IMO. But this is my opinion of SOMEONE ELSE. It's easy for me to look at someone else and think that they are a success.
But I have to be tougher on myself. My goals in life are (in no particular order): to be an excellent dad, to be a good husband, to provide a comfortable life for my family, to progress in my career and do some very important things for people professionally and to maintain relationships with good people. If I declare success in any area, don't you think that I would be compromising? For me, success will come when I have raised my daughters well, when I have grown old with my wife, when I have been to the top of my professional field, etc.
Why not continue to push oneself to be better? Have any of us been to the pinnacle of where we want to reach?
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2837093
Time with your children isn't an achievement? Then what is? Your paycheck? Let me know, as your girls grow, how much of that money they appreciate VS time with their father.
I do consider myself a success.
Sepulation, I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. Time with my children is its own reward. But it cannot be measured in terms of success or failure. Raising your children can be a success or failure but not simply time. I came home tonight and spend about 4 hours with my girls, playing and laughing. This time cannot be judged as "success" or "failure".
BTW, my definition of success is not limited to financial, as you seem to suggest. I'm a part of a career where I can (and have) saved lives. I can save businesses and right wrongs. Of course providing for my family is a significant part of my idea of success, but so is raising my kids, making a mark on the legal profession and maintaining good relationships.
I just think that contentment breeds complacency. For example, raising kids can be difficult everyday. If you declare success today, how do you put forth the effort tomorrow?
 
mimzy

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2837106
To rephrase, if you do consider yourself a success, then are there no goals left to achieve? Are their any ambitions left? Because I see success as an achievement of goals.
Why not continue to push oneself to be better? Have any of us been to the pinnacle of where we want to reach?
i think of success as something more organic... as i said; a METHOD of life. something that is ever changing. something that you are always doing, something that you are always changing, feeling out, discovering, molding achieving and expanding for yourself.
i think, when you feel like you're not quite there, when you're not happy with where you are, when you're not proud of yourself, when you're not surrounded by loved ones, when you're not in reciprocal relationships, when you're not HAPPY, then you're not being successful.
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2837106
To rephrase, if you do consider yourself a success, then are there no goals left to achieve?
Not at all. How can you not find yourself successful with more success to come? Is that what you think? Once you are successful then you are done and no more success is to be had? You won't ever find yourself successfull...ever.
Are their any ambitions left? Because I see success as an achievement of goals.
Right, an achievement of goals. Do you set goals that you cannot achieve? My goals are achievable and some have already been achieved, therefore I was successful at achieving them.
that I'm realizing is that the more we delve into this, the more I realize that the term "success" can be used in many different ways and by different people. The first quote you wrote, Mimzy is VERY interesting... got me thinking. In a sense I agree with this. I agree that someone who has died young may lead a full and successful life, IMO. But this is my opinion of SOMEONE ELSE. It's easy for me to look at someone else and think that they are a success.
Why don't you look at yourself as a success? You graduated law school, passed the bar, have a successful practice....not to mention the nice home life. I would say that your achievements are a success.
But I have to be tougher on myself. My goals in life are (in no particular order): to be an excellent dad, to be a good husband, to provide a comfortable life for my family, to progress in my career and do some very important things for people professionally and to maintain relationships with good people. If I declare success in any area, don't you think that I would be compromising? For me, success will come when I have raised my daughters well, when I have grown old with my wife, when I have been to the top of my professional field, etc.
Why not continue to push oneself to be better? Have any of us been to the pinnacle of where we want to reach?
Success is not all or nothing. You are successful in what you have done so far in your life. Now continue to succeed in future goals
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2837121
Sepulation, I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. Time with my children is its own reward. But it cannot be measured in terms of success or failure. Raising your children can be a success or failure but not simply time. I came home tonight and spend about 4 hours with my girls, playing and laughing. This time cannot be judged as "success" or "failure".
BTW, my definition of success is not limited to financial, as you seem to suggest. I'm a part of a career where I can (and have) saved lives. I can save businesses and right wrongs. Of course providing for my family is a significant part of my idea of success, but so is raising my kids, making a mark on the legal profession and maintaining good relationships.
I just think that contentment breeds complacency. For example, raising kids can be difficult everyday. If you declare success today, how do you put forth the effort tomorrow?
pray tell how a lawyer can save a life...
the lawyers i have dealt with ONLY care about themselves, the retainer and the numerous payment to follow all the while twisting words, truths and laws...
dont want to throw you into that generalization but i would love to know how you saved a life...
 
mimzy

mimzy

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2837128
pray tell how a lawyer can save a life...
the lawyers i have dealt with ONLY care about themselves, the retainer and the numerous payment to follow all the while twisting words, truths and laws...
dont want to throw you into that generalization but i would love to know how you saved a life...
why u gotta frame it as a personal attack, yo? if u got a question, just ask it. don't paint a whole nasty picture. jeeze. this is why threads get locked.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2837128
pray tell how a lawyer can save a life...
the lawyers i have dealt with ONLY care about themselves, the retainer and the numerous payment to follow all the while twisting words, truths and laws...
dont want to throw you into that generalization but i would love to know how you saved a life...
I represented a few people facing life in prison who are with their families as we speak because of what I've done for them. Each of them will tell you that I saved his life.
 
mimzy

mimzy

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2837126
Why don't you look at yourself as a success? You graduated law school, passed the bar, have a successful practice....not to mention the nice home life. I would say that your achievements are a success.
Success is not all or nothing. You are successful in what you have done so far in your life. Now continue to succeed in future goals

Yeah CRIMZY. do you honestly look at everything you've achieved and not feel at least a LITTLE bit proud? do you honestly not think of yourself as something of a success??? Mister life-saver man??????
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2837135
why u gotta frame it as a personal attack, yo? if u got a question, just ask it. don't paint a whole nasty picture. jeeze. this is why threads get locked.
i didnt attack him personally... infact i flat out said i didnt want to generalize him in my description YO...
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2837138
I represented a few people facing life in prison who are with their families as we speak because of what I've done for them. Each of them will tell you that I saved his life.
i can dig...

Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2837142
Yeah CRIMZY. do you honestly look at everything you've achieved and not feel at least a LITTLE bit proud? do you honestly not think of yourself as something of a success??? Mister life-saver man??????
is this not a personal attack... or is it just a joke???
 
sepulatian

sepulatian

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Originally Posted by ruaround
http:///forum/post/2837149
i didnt attack him personally... infact i flat out said i didnt want to generalize him in my description YO...
i can dig...

I seriously don't think RU was attacking you Crimzy. You said that you saved some lives. You explained what you meant. I was wondering the same thing personally.
 
crimzy

crimzy

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Originally Posted by sepulatian
http:///forum/post/2837126
Why don't you look at yourself as a success? You graduated law school, passed the bar, have a successful practice....not to mention the nice home life. I would say that your achievements are a success.

Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2837142
Yeah CRIMZY. do you honestly look at everything you've achieved and not feel at least a LITTLE bit proud? do you honestly not think of yourself as something of a success??? Mister life-saver man??????
Don't you two start throwing me for a loop and getting all NICE on me.

I appreciate the words, and I am very proud of my accomplishments. I am also very happy with my life. But I guess my point is that I'm not THERE yet. THERE will be seeing my girls marry good people, have families of their own, going through all the ups and downs of my marriage and celebrating my golden years with the woman that I vowed to spend the rest of my life with, and achieving great things professionally.
Probably goes back to a distinction that Mimzy made earlier. You are looking at "success" as a lifestyle, while I am looking at it as a result. Or something like that...
 
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