colorado2step
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So then why is it so expensive to buy? If it is not alive.
what is ....
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cranberry
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Okay, trying to wrap my head around our actual topic here.
I don't think live rock has anything to do with the "outside". I have a 55g tank filled to the top with "live rock". All life on it was killed. This rock has been stored in the dark for a couple of years, but I feed the rock with ammonia still. I could throw a dead lionfish in there and you wouldn't get an ammonia reading. This I still consider live rock so I guess to me it has nothing to do with microfauna. The bacteria is what gives this rock it's common name of "Live Rock", when all it really means is "rock that has been colonized with beneficial bacteria".... but that's a heck of a long name to put on one's "For Sale" sign.
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3066020
Now not being able to establish if there are in fact anaerobic bacteria with in the rock. Those posts are telling the hobbyist to pay a high price for something that may or may not be there
Can you clarify that for me a little.
I don't think live rock has anything to do with the "outside". I have a 55g tank filled to the top with "live rock". All life on it was killed. This rock has been stored in the dark for a couple of years, but I feed the rock with ammonia still. I could throw a dead lionfish in there and you wouldn't get an ammonia reading. This I still consider live rock so I guess to me it has nothing to do with microfauna. The bacteria is what gives this rock it's common name of "Live Rock", when all it really means is "rock that has been colonized with beneficial bacteria".... but that's a heck of a long name to put on one's "For Sale" sign.
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3066020
Now not being able to establish if there are in fact anaerobic bacteria with in the rock. Those posts are telling the hobbyist to pay a high price for something that may or may not be there
Can you clarify that for me a little.
spanko
Active Member
Live rock in its infancy for aquarium use was chunks of calcium carbonate seletons of dead coral that had broken off the reef and was collected for sale. It contained all of the critters that decided to call it home in the ocean.
I think the definition if there really is one has probably evolved, over the time since we have started to use it, to be closer to what Renee said above. However if one is paying a premium for live rock I would personally want the flora, fauna associated with rock harvested from the ocean. If I were only creating rock for bacteria I would save the buck and buy Tufa and throw some ammonia source in the tank and let the bacteria populate.
I think the definition if there really is one has probably evolved, over the time since we have started to use it, to be closer to what Renee said above. However if one is paying a premium for live rock I would personally want the flora, fauna associated with rock harvested from the ocean. If I were only creating rock for bacteria I would save the buck and buy Tufa and throw some ammonia source in the tank and let the bacteria populate.
cranberry
Active Member
So you're saying the rock in my 55 is not "live". If I took it out of the dark room, put it in an tank, threw in some fish that night (because it can already process the ammonia because I feed it). Can you say that rock is not live?
I think live rock is it's colonized and then you have your different categories.. base live rock, premium live rock.... etc.
Tufa live rock ya cheapo
I think live rock is it's colonized and then you have your different categories.. base live rock, premium live rock.... etc.
Tufa live rock ya cheapo
spanko
Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3066137
So you're saying the rock in my 55 is not "live". If I took it out of the dark room, put it in an tank, threw in some fish that night (because it can already process the ammonia because I feed it). Can you say that rock is not live?
I guess it depends on what the definition of live is, which may be what Joe was trying to get at in his "witty posts " ways as Sep would say.
I think live rock is it's colonized and then you have your different categories.. base live rock, premium live rock.... etc.
Tufa live rock ya cheapo
As far as cheapo, I like to think of it as frugal.
http:///forum/post/3066137
So you're saying the rock in my 55 is not "live". If I took it out of the dark room, put it in an tank, threw in some fish that night (because it can already process the ammonia because I feed it). Can you say that rock is not live?
I guess it depends on what the definition of live is, which may be what Joe was trying to get at in his "witty posts " ways as Sep would say.
I think live rock is it's colonized and then you have your different categories.. base live rock, premium live rock.... etc.
Tufa live rock ya cheapo
As far as cheapo, I like to think of it as frugal.
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3066109
Did someone say locomotion?
or
Etymology:
Latin locus + English motion
Date:
1646
1 : an act or the power of moving from place to place
http:///forum/post/3066109
Did someone say locomotion?
or
Etymology:
Latin locus + English motion
Date:
1646
1 : an act or the power of moving from place to place
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by colorado2step
http:///forum/post/3066111
So then why is it so expensive to buy? If it is not alive.
my question also
http:///forum/post/3066111
So then why is it so expensive to buy? If it is not alive.
my question also
spanko
Active Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3066229
or
Etymology:
Latin locus + English motion
Date:
1646
1 : an act or the power of moving from place to place
OR.......
My little baby sister can do it with ease
It's easier than learning your a b c's
So come on, come on,
Do the loco-motion with me
http:///forum/post/3066229
or
Etymology:
Latin locus + English motion
Date:
1646
1 : an act or the power of moving from place to place
OR.......
My little baby sister can do it with ease
It's easier than learning your a b c's
So come on, come on,
Do the loco-motion with me
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3066120
Okay, trying to wrap my head around our actual topic here.
I don't think live rock has anything to do with the "outside". I have a 55g tank filled to the top with "live rock". All life on it was killed. This rock has been stored in the dark for a couple of years, but I feed the rock with ammonia still. I could throw a dead lionfish in there and you wouldn't get an ammonia reading. This I still consider live rock so I guess to me it has nothing to do with microfauna. The bacteria is what gives this rock it's common name of "Live Rock", when all it really means is "rock that has been colonized with beneficial bacteria".... but that's a heck of a long name to put on one's "For Sale" sign.
Can you clarify that for me a little.
When you go to a LFS to buy live rock you buy either cured or semi-cured rock neither comes with a guarantee that you have nitrifying or denitrifying bacteria colonies
http:///forum/post/3066120
Okay, trying to wrap my head around our actual topic here.
I don't think live rock has anything to do with the "outside". I have a 55g tank filled to the top with "live rock". All life on it was killed. This rock has been stored in the dark for a couple of years, but I feed the rock with ammonia still. I could throw a dead lionfish in there and you wouldn't get an ammonia reading. This I still consider live rock so I guess to me it has nothing to do with microfauna. The bacteria is what gives this rock it's common name of "Live Rock", when all it really means is "rock that has been colonized with beneficial bacteria".... but that's a heck of a long name to put on one's "For Sale" sign.
Can you clarify that for me a little.
When you go to a LFS to buy live rock you buy either cured or semi-cured rock neither comes with a guarantee that you have nitrifying or denitrifying bacteria colonies
florida joe
Well-Known Member
My little baby sister can do it with ease
but no one does it better then Sir Q. when she is not tired that is
but no one does it better then Sir Q. when she is not tired that is
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by florida joe
Now not being able to establish if there are in fact anaerobic bacteria with in the rock. Those posts are telling the hobbyist to pay a high price for something that may or may not be there
Can you clarify that for me a little. was a question cranberry asked
When you go to a LFS to buy live rock you buy either cured or semi-cured rock neither comes with a guarantee that you have nitrifying or denitrifying bacteria colonies
That being said IMO for a person to post that buying more live rock to tread a nitrate problem my not be the right answer
Now not being able to establish if there are in fact anaerobic bacteria with in the rock. Those posts are telling the hobbyist to pay a high price for something that may or may not be there
Can you clarify that for me a little. was a question cranberry asked
When you go to a LFS to buy live rock you buy either cured or semi-cured rock neither comes with a guarantee that you have nitrifying or denitrifying bacteria colonies
That being said IMO for a person to post that buying more live rock to tread a nitrate problem my not be the right answer
spanko
Active Member
Well speaking of "live rock"
http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1100530.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1100530.html
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3066278
Well speaking of "live rock"
http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1100530.html
ummmm I plead the 5th
http:///forum/post/3066278
Well speaking of "live rock"
http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1100530.html
ummmm I plead the 5th
florida joe
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3066290
To me something smells er um fishy here. Put that much rock out, don't check it for 18 months. Someone takes it and is not noticed unloading that much rock. More like holy mackerel!!!!
Or a red herring (your turn)
http:///forum/post/3066290
To me something smells er um fishy here. Put that much rock out, don't check it for 18 months. Someone takes it and is not noticed unloading that much rock. More like holy mackerel!!!!
Or a red herring (your turn)