What Price for Human Life or Why it's Good to be a Celebrity

jtrzerocool

jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/3067112
and.. I said proof that the police stated that he was in the wrong.. not the same tired old stuff..
Your basing your argument on the FACT that he was in the wrong.. I have yet to see where the police have said it was his fault.. We all know crossing the road outside the crosswalk isnt the smartest thing.. But driving drunk far exceeds the risk of crossing road in said place..
i told you that i cant find that exact police report on the accident...but i didnt realze that what the police say, you dont belive...it says right in the article that police state the he was not in a crosswalk...
i understand the risk of drunk driving...and i am not condoning what he did...he drove drunk and killed someone...that someone happened to break the law just as stallworth did...i never said that he should not be punished...i said the punishment fits the accident...
 
cranberry

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But the fact that the man was crossing in the wrong place doesn't mean he was crossing unsafely. I cross the road everyday where their aren't crosswalks. But honestly, I bet he was crossing unsafely, but I bet Mr. "I've got time to flash" could have avoided it if he were not drunk.
And those cops sound smitten. "He acted like a man,". For real.... a person is a "man" if he stays at the scene of the crime? Where was he going to run being very recognizable and all. Was he going to try and O.J. it?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3066987
How many times have you J walked compared to how many times have you drove drunk ? and honestly think about how many times you J walk . This is not just you but everybody . When you go to a friends house and you park across the street, you J walk from your car to the house . At the grocery store do you walk to the end of the isle before you cross it ? or do you make a straight line toward the door ? J walking is not the reason that somebody died . Drinking and driving is . This guy didn't flash his headlights to warn the guy walking . Its an excuse to cover the fact that he was intoxicated and was driving in a wreck less manner . Honestly when your in an accident you have no time to think . LEt alone time to think make a decision and execute the idea to flash the headlights .
I think most state have laws that if you are in a collision and drunk you are at fault no matter what. If Stallworth had been sober I am not sure he would have paid out a cent. If I was on the jury I sure wouldn't vote to give the family any money but if the driver was drunk it's a no brainer.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3067271
But the fact that the man was crossing in the wrong place doesn't mean he was crossing unsafely. I cross the road everyday where their aren't crosswalks. But honestly, I bet he was crossing unsafely, but I bet Mr. "I've got time to flash" could have avoided it if he were not drunk.
And those cops sound smitten. "He acted like a man,". For real.... a person is a "man" if he stays at the scene of the crime? Where was he going to run being very recognizable and all. Was he going to try and O.J. it?
Oh come on, I am not making excuses for the guy but drunk driving isn't like knocking over a bank of something, There are plenty of cases where sober people have freaked and left the scene. People driving drunk are very likely to take off.
I will be interested to see if they make this guy do the whole 2 years of house arrest. I think if the NFL is willing to let the guy continue to play they should work out a deal where he could play and a large part of his salary is given to treatment programs or a fund for victims. Make the team responsible to make sure he is playing, practicing on sitting in a modest hotel room. I think creative sentencing for people convicted of non violent crimes would be a good thing.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Only read half the thread...see to many defending the guy because the victim jaywalked and that pisses me off.
Jaywalking is a minor misdemeanor on the books to PROTECT THE JAYWALKER.
DUI in some states is a felony and on the books to PROTECT THE GENERAL PUBLIC!
Do not compare the two nor should you say it is the jaywalkers fault. This is like a man walking into the woman's bathroom and getting shot to death by a criminal robbing a lady. Then saying it is the victims fault because he walked in the wrong bathroom...so the killer should get a lighter sentence...
Seriously, what is wrong with some of you people. I hope no one you know is ever killed by a drunk driver with similar circumstances.
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3067412
Only read half the thread...see to many defending the guy because the victim jaywalked and that pisses me off.
Jaywalking is a minor misdemeanor on the books to PROTECT THE JAYWALKER.
DUI in some states is a felony and on the books to PROTECT THE GENERAL PUBLIC!
Do not compare the two nor should you say it is the jaywalkers fault. This is like a man walking into the woman's bathroom and getting shot to death by a criminal robbing a lady. Then saying it is the victims fault because he walked in the wrong bathroom...so the killer should get a lighter sentence...
Seriously, what is wrong with some of you people. I hope no one you know is ever killed by a drunk driver with similar circumstances.
Again, just to be clear, the only reason for 'our' defense of Stallworth is that as we read the article, we believe Stallworth was not at fault.
I can honestly say that if someone personal to me was killed in a vehicle collision, and they were at fault, say they ran a red light, and got T-bone by a DUI driver. I cannot say how I would feel, obviously greatly depressed, but I don't believe I would feel extra rage just because it was a DUI driver. The bottom line is they ran the red light. I would probably ask god why he choose them to not see the red light vs. why he put the other car there. %%
Forget comparing jaywalking to DUI. The thing is, as anyone would know, you just don't stand in or run blindly into the road. This was early in the morning in winter where it's still black outside. Any person can see a car coming for miles. As for flashing the lights, and not hitting the brakes, as much of an athlete as Stallworth is, I would hope he has the coordination to do both. One takes a hand, the other takes a foot.
But the original point of this entire thread is the punishment, or there lack of, that Stallworth receive. Stallworth received so little because he settled with the family. If you are outraged by the punishment, hold the victim's family to it, not Stallworth.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3067412
Do not compare the two nor should you say it is the jaywalkers fault. This is like a man walking into the woman's bathroom and getting shot to death by a criminal robbing a lady. Then saying it is the victims fault because he walked in the wrong bathroom...so the killer should get a lighter sentence...
Or what about this, what if the shoe was on the other foot? What if a DUI was killed by someone else at fault? Would they get less of a punishment just because the DUI driver shouldn't have been on the road?
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3067412
Only read half the thread...see to many defending the guy because the victim jaywalked and that pisses me off.
Jaywalking is a minor misdemeanor on the books to PROTECT THE JAYWALKER.
DUI in some states is a felony and on the books to PROTECT THE GENERAL PUBLIC!
Do not compare the two nor should you say it is the jaywalkers fault. This is like a man walking into the woman's bathroom and getting shot to death by a criminal robbing a lady. Then saying it is the victims fault because he walked in the wrong bathroom...so the killer should get a lighter sentence...
Seriously, what is wrong with some of you people. I hope no one you know is ever killed by a drunk driver with similar circumstances.
Or what about this, what if the shoe was on the other foot? What if a DUI was killed by someone else at fault? Would they get less of a punishment just because the DUI driver shouldn't have been on the road?
 
cranberry

cranberry

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3067436
as much of an athlete as Stallworth is, I would hope he has the coordination to do both. One takes a hand, the other takes a foot.

He was drinking, That totally affects his coordination, response time and decision making skills.
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3067436
But the original point of this entire thread is the punishment, or there lack of, that Stallworth receive. Stallworth received so little because he settled with the family. If you are outraged by the punishment, hold the victim's family to it, not Stallworth.
I think it's wrong for the family even to be able to ask for money that would in turn reduce his sentence. Money should not even be an issue in this case. If they want compensation, the should be able to sue after the fact, but it should have no bearing on his sentence time. And this was a little 15 year old girl who wanted "if put behind her". Climb on that gravy chain little woman.
 
el guapo

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3067436
Or what about this, what if the shoe was on the other foot? What if a DUI was killed by someone else at fault? Would they get less of a punishment just because the DUI driver shouldn't have been on the road?

Wow you really are trying to go out on a limb with that. What if it would have been a deer crossing the road and instead of hitting it the guy swerved and went out of control and hit a car traveling the other direction ? Now would the drunk driver be at fault ? Remember he is still breaking the law to begin with . But now there is not a dead person to blame it all on . Just wild life . Oh yeah let now factor in the car he hit head on . Should he still walk away with very little recourse .
I'm sorry but I also think celebrities no matter how minor need to be held to a higher standard of accountability . This is a whole other argument. They are role models to people and as such need to act that way . Don't give me that they are just normal people crap either . They sure don't mind being roll models when nike calls and says hey we want to give you a signiture shoe . Oh then the are all for having the kids look up to them as a hero . But turn your back kids so I can drink a bottle of krystal and henessy than climb in the sports car and speed off down the road .
If a person is ignorant enough to get behind a wheel and drive while drunk then they should be accountable for their actions . Driving is not a single persons responsibility its every driver on the roads job while driving to be clear headed and alert to hazards including Pedestrian traffic .
 
meowzer

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Let me ask a dumb question...How do we know how many other "drunk" drivers get off with as less of a punishment.....Obviously if they are not celebrities we don't hear about them???....unless we read a story in our local paper, or know this from some personal experience...
 
cranberry

cranberry

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A google search will bring you all the local paper stuff. One guy got 15y for killing his passenger. Evidently the passenger willingly got in the car.... but somehow he was held accountable for that death. That's risky activity isn't it? Getting into a car with someone who has been drinking? Guess he never had to money to pay off the family... or the family had enough respect for their loved one to not even think of money.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3067580
Let me ask a dumb question...How do we know how many other "drunk" drivers get off with as less of a punishment.....Obviously if they are not celebrities we don't hear about them???....unless we read a story in our local paper, or know this from some personal experience...
Come to New Mexico once. Recently we had a guy get pulled over for his 27th DWI charge and arrest....27....they finally locked him up.
 
el guapo

el guapo

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3068048
Come to New Mexico once. Recently we had a guy get pulled over for his 27th DWI charge and arrest....27....they finally locked him up.

less than a dollars worth of lead would solve his problems .
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3068054
less than a dollars worth of lead would solve his problems .
True, but if an Iraqi war veteran can get jail time for shooting a 2 time felony trying to steal his property.....I live in California lite..........
 
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