What skimmer for 180 Gallons??
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peter1215
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Originally Posted by Hefner413
http:///forum/post/2706688
What was the difference b/w the 2? I saw them both. The MSX has a better pump, right? And I guess it already has a mesh wheel?
yes , it is a bettor skimmer and pump(sicce p2k 2500). one on line store sells them with both a pin wheel and a mesh wheel . they leave it up to you to decide which one you want to use. for $300 its probably the best skimmer for the buck!
http:///forum/post/2706688
What was the difference b/w the 2? I saw them both. The MSX has a better pump, right? And I guess it already has a mesh wheel?
yes , it is a bettor skimmer and pump(sicce p2k 2500). one on line store sells them with both a pin wheel and a mesh wheel . they leave it up to you to decide which one you want to use. for $300 its probably the best skimmer for the buck!
joncat24
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Originally Posted by Hefner413
http:///forum/post/2706688
What was the difference b/w the 2? I saw them both. The MSX has a better pump, right? And I guess it already has a mesh wheel?
It is a much better pump, comes with mesh wheel and pinwheel, the neck size on the msx 200 is almost as big as the body of the nw 150....it is a beast.
http:///forum/post/2706688
What was the difference b/w the 2? I saw them both. The MSX has a better pump, right? And I guess it already has a mesh wheel?
It is a much better pump, comes with mesh wheel and pinwheel, the neck size on the msx 200 is almost as big as the body of the nw 150....it is a beast.
cranberry
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Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2706521
no skimmer, no matter the brand, should be in an area of the sump where the water level fluctuates. i don't see how it would be different if you lowered or raised the level of water in the euro-reef sump.
I was asked an opinion and I gave it. I have 9 tanks around here with differing skimmers (I use 5 different ones in all) and I've come to like some and not other. I WISH I could say better things about it because I paid the money... it's not like I WANT to dislike it. It's not in a daily flucuating part of the sump... that's why I said a Millimeter. But you add a rock and BOOM... you're spending the next month trying to find ther sweet spot again. We had to place a stand under it to rise it up because I guess the water is too deep. That was torturous in itself to find the right type... we had to shave the stand piece by piece to find the spot... an inch too much and ya have to start over. THAT'S my idea of a pain in the bootie.
My Euroreef I set up 2-3 years ago... I've never really messed with it since.
So having experience with the skimmers I mentioned.... as in presently running them..... I like my euroreef and am not fond of the turboflotor or the ASM.
http:///forum/post/2706521
no skimmer, no matter the brand, should be in an area of the sump where the water level fluctuates. i don't see how it would be different if you lowered or raised the level of water in the euro-reef sump.
I was asked an opinion and I gave it. I have 9 tanks around here with differing skimmers (I use 5 different ones in all) and I've come to like some and not other. I WISH I could say better things about it because I paid the money... it's not like I WANT to dislike it. It's not in a daily flucuating part of the sump... that's why I said a Millimeter. But you add a rock and BOOM... you're spending the next month trying to find ther sweet spot again. We had to place a stand under it to rise it up because I guess the water is too deep. That was torturous in itself to find the right type... we had to shave the stand piece by piece to find the spot... an inch too much and ya have to start over. THAT'S my idea of a pain in the bootie.
My Euroreef I set up 2-3 years ago... I've never really messed with it since.
So having experience with the skimmers I mentioned.... as in presently running them..... I like my euroreef and am not fond of the turboflotor or the ASM.
9supratt4
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I seem to have started a very big discussion here
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2707462
I was asked an opinion and I gave it. I have 9 tanks around here with differing skimmers (I use 5 different ones in all) and I've come to like some and not other. I WISH I could say better things about it because I paid the money... it's not like I WANT to dislike it. It's not in a daily flucuating part of the sump... that's why I said a Millimeter. But you add a rock and BOOM... you're spending the next month trying to find ther sweet spot again. We had to place a stand under it to rise it up because I guess the water is too deep. That was torturous in itself to find the right type... we had to shave the stand piece by piece to find the spot... an inch too much and ya have to start over. THAT'S my idea of a pain in the bootie.
My Euroreef I set up 2-3 years ago... I've never really messed with it since.
So having experience with the skimmers I mentioned.... as in presently running them..... I like my euroreef and am not fond of the turboflotor or the ASM.
Cranberry.....if someone doesn't have an auto top off unit, as I don't, the water will fluctuate in the sump every day unless you fill it every day manually and have an effect on any skimmer, correct?
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2707462
I was asked an opinion and I gave it. I have 9 tanks around here with differing skimmers (I use 5 different ones in all) and I've come to like some and not other. I WISH I could say better things about it because I paid the money... it's not like I WANT to dislike it. It's not in a daily flucuating part of the sump... that's why I said a Millimeter. But you add a rock and BOOM... you're spending the next month trying to find ther sweet spot again. We had to place a stand under it to rise it up because I guess the water is too deep. That was torturous in itself to find the right type... we had to shave the stand piece by piece to find the spot... an inch too much and ya have to start over. THAT'S my idea of a pain in the bootie.
My Euroreef I set up 2-3 years ago... I've never really messed with it since.
So having experience with the skimmers I mentioned.... as in presently running them..... I like my euroreef and am not fond of the turboflotor or the ASM.
Cranberry.....if someone doesn't have an auto top off unit, as I don't, the water will fluctuate in the sump every day unless you fill it every day manually and have an effect on any skimmer, correct?
mr_x
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Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2707462
I was asked an opinion and I gave it. .
i wasn't knocking your opinion, just giving you food for thought. do all of your skimmers sit in an area of water level fluctuation? i have an ASM, and a euro-reef. both of my skimmers act the same way. that's why i asked about your issue.
i don't understand how 2 different brand skimmers with the same pumps can act differently, simply because of the material the body is made out of.
http:///forum/post/2707462
I was asked an opinion and I gave it. .
i wasn't knocking your opinion, just giving you food for thought. do all of your skimmers sit in an area of water level fluctuation? i have an ASM, and a euro-reef. both of my skimmers act the same way. that's why i asked about your issue.
i don't understand how 2 different brand skimmers with the same pumps can act differently, simply because of the material the body is made out of.
cranberry
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Originally Posted by 9supratt4
http:///forum/post/2707618
I seem to have started a very big discussion here
Cranberry.....if someone doesn't have an auto top off unit, as I don't, the water will fluctuate in the sump every day unless you fill it every day manually and have an effect on any skimmer, correct?
Discussions are gooood. Everyone has different opinions based on their own experiences. I'm not saying ASMs are bad, there's been a lot of good reviews, that's why we bought one. It's just giving me a hard time and I'm not a skimmer noob. I like my ER best out of the ones I have.
It all depends on how you have your sump setup as to whether or not the water will fluctuate in the area you have the skimmer. I have baffles and a pump bay, so the water flucuates there, not in the main sump area. For me, if the pump bay water drops an inch, the ATO cuts in. If you have a pump bay, your water should not flucuate, even if you do manual topoffs.
But evaporation isn't the only thing that changes water level in your sump. Even if I stick my arm in the tank, the water in the display will be displaced to the sump momentarily until I remove my arm. I can't even do this without messing up the ASM... it's THAT kind of flucuation that I'm really talking about... adding a rock... that sort of thing.
Do you have a pump bay?
http:///forum/post/2707618
I seem to have started a very big discussion here
Cranberry.....if someone doesn't have an auto top off unit, as I don't, the water will fluctuate in the sump every day unless you fill it every day manually and have an effect on any skimmer, correct?
Discussions are gooood. Everyone has different opinions based on their own experiences. I'm not saying ASMs are bad, there's been a lot of good reviews, that's why we bought one. It's just giving me a hard time and I'm not a skimmer noob. I like my ER best out of the ones I have.
It all depends on how you have your sump setup as to whether or not the water will fluctuate in the area you have the skimmer. I have baffles and a pump bay, so the water flucuates there, not in the main sump area. For me, if the pump bay water drops an inch, the ATO cuts in. If you have a pump bay, your water should not flucuate, even if you do manual topoffs.
But evaporation isn't the only thing that changes water level in your sump. Even if I stick my arm in the tank, the water in the display will be displaced to the sump momentarily until I remove my arm. I can't even do this without messing up the ASM... it's THAT kind of flucuation that I'm really talking about... adding a rock... that sort of thing.
Do you have a pump bay?
cranberry
Active Member
Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2707680
i don't understand how 2 different brand skimmers with the same pumps can act differently, simply because of the material the body is made out of.
The things nightmares are made of. I have no explaination. I hoping it just has a looooong break in period. Now, there could be something wrong with it, that would be my luck. I usually have to return something at least once to get a working one.... I'm afraid to set up my new ReefKeeper Elite... lord knows the troubles I'll find.
http:///forum/post/2707680
i don't understand how 2 different brand skimmers with the same pumps can act differently, simply because of the material the body is made out of.
The things nightmares are made of. I have no explaination. I hoping it just has a looooong break in period. Now, there could be something wrong with it, that would be my luck. I usually have to return something at least once to get a working one.... I'm afraid to set up my new ReefKeeper Elite... lord knows the troubles I'll find.
9supratt4
Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/2707704
Discussions are gooood. Everyone has different opinions based on their own experiences. I'm not saying ASMs are bad, there's been a lot of good reviews, that's why we bought one. It's just giving me a hard time and I'm not a skimmer noob. I like my ER best out of the ones I have.
It all depends on how you have your sump setup as to whether or not the water will fluctuate in the area you have the skimmer. I have baffles and a pump bay, so the water flucuates there, not in the main sump area. For me, if the pump bay water drops an inch, the ATO cuts in.
Do you have a pump bay?
Not really.....it's all basically one open sump.....It's the Oceanic Model 2. I am probably going to partition off a section for the refugium, but thats about it.....the 2 return pumps are on the other side of a small partition that was built in when I purchased it.
It's the one on the left, but without the box inside:
http:///forum/post/2707704
Discussions are gooood. Everyone has different opinions based on their own experiences. I'm not saying ASMs are bad, there's been a lot of good reviews, that's why we bought one. It's just giving me a hard time and I'm not a skimmer noob. I like my ER best out of the ones I have.
It all depends on how you have your sump setup as to whether or not the water will fluctuate in the area you have the skimmer. I have baffles and a pump bay, so the water flucuates there, not in the main sump area. For me, if the pump bay water drops an inch, the ATO cuts in.
Do you have a pump bay?
Not really.....it's all basically one open sump.....It's the Oceanic Model 2. I am probably going to partition off a section for the refugium, but thats about it.....the 2 return pumps are on the other side of a small partition that was built in when I purchased it.
It's the one on the left, but without the box inside:
cranberry
Active Member
If the water goes over the baffle like the pic below you won't have main area water flucuations....
If you water level is even aross the sump you will have water flucuation....
You could always raise the level of the baffle by cemeting a piece of acrylic on there... or silicone if the baffle is made of glass.
I can't say enough for having a pump bay, what that area to the right of the baffle is suppose ot be.
If you water level is even aross the sump you will have water flucuation....
You could always raise the level of the baffle by cemeting a piece of acrylic on there... or silicone if the baffle is made of glass.
I can't say enough for having a pump bay, what that area to the right of the baffle is suppose ot be.
cranberry
Active Member
If the water level is correct, and the water cascades down over the baffles to the pump bay, the water level will go down in the pump bay first. The water coming into the main chamber will always fill at the same rate from the display take and therefore will not flucuate. The water evaporates from everywhere... the display, the main sump area, the pump bay.... but the water level in the pump bay will be where you see it.
It is a law of physics... I just don't know which law ....lol.
It is a law of physics... I just don't know which law ....lol.
mr_x
Active Member
see, that's what i don't understand about those sumps...why so tall if you only have 6" or so before you go over the baffle?
i made my sump-
intake, then refugium, then return..all in line. i don't need extra chambers and my baffles are about 75% high, leaving plenty of room for macroalgae, live rock ...skimmer..or whatever. also, my skimmer sits in the intake area, so the level of the water never fluctuates. i thought most everyone made their sumps this way, until i came to this forum. here, alot of people like the return in the middle. i don't understand how this can be easier.
here is a picture of my sump-
i made my sump-
intake, then refugium, then return..all in line. i don't need extra chambers and my baffles are about 75% high, leaving plenty of room for macroalgae, live rock ...skimmer..or whatever. also, my skimmer sits in the intake area, so the level of the water never fluctuates. i thought most everyone made their sumps this way, until i came to this forum. here, alot of people like the return in the middle. i don't understand how this can be easier.
here is a picture of my sump-
casper1875
Member
9supratt4, it looks like we are both setting up the same thing. I have a 180 All-Glass tank with two rear corner over flows. I bought a Mag 18 pump. I have the Model 3 sump. I was going to buy the skimmer Mr.X was talking about, but I only have about 24 inches under my tank. I bought the MSX 200. Now I need to level this monster out. I still don't know how to hook up the plumbing. If you get yours hooked up I'ld love to see some photos. Oh by the way, the MSX 200 takes up alot more room in the sump than I thought it was going to. When I bought the tank it came with two Tidepool II's, I want to use one of them for a refugium. I think I can get it to fit under there.
9supratt4
Active Member
Originally Posted by casper1875
http:///forum/post/2708982
9supratt4, it looks like we are both setting up the same thing. I have a 180 All-Glass tank with two rear corner over flows. I bought a Mag 18 pump. I have the Model 3 sump. I was going to buy the skimmer Mr.X was talking about, but I only have about 24 inches under my tank. I bought the MSX 200. Now I need to level this monster out. I still don't know how to hook up the plumbing. If you get yours hooked up I'ld love to see some photos. Oh by the way, the MSX 200 takes up alot more room in the sump than I thought it was going to. When I bought the tank it came with two Tidepool II's, I want to use one of them for a refugium. I think I can get it to fit under there.
Yeah.....that's what I'm setting up......I just painted the back of the tank blck, but I still do have my plumbing hooked up from when I tested the tank, so I will try to get some pictures for you.
http:///forum/post/2708982
9supratt4, it looks like we are both setting up the same thing. I have a 180 All-Glass tank with two rear corner over flows. I bought a Mag 18 pump. I have the Model 3 sump. I was going to buy the skimmer Mr.X was talking about, but I only have about 24 inches under my tank. I bought the MSX 200. Now I need to level this monster out. I still don't know how to hook up the plumbing. If you get yours hooked up I'ld love to see some photos. Oh by the way, the MSX 200 takes up alot more room in the sump than I thought it was going to. When I bought the tank it came with two Tidepool II's, I want to use one of them for a refugium. I think I can get it to fit under there.
Yeah.....that's what I'm setting up......I just painted the back of the tank blck, but I still do have my plumbing hooked up from when I tested the tank, so I will try to get some pictures for you.
casper1875
Member
That would be great. Thank you.
9supratt4
Active Member
Picture of the 180 with dual overflows:
Drain and return on right side overflow. This isn't completely finished, the pipe going to the far right is going to have a 95-degree on it to drain into the side of the sup I am making a refugium.
Full shot of sump with retuen and drain off to the left to the sesond overflow.
Drain and return from the left side overflow.
2 Return pumps:
I am also going to be adding filter socks to the drains and I still have to put the baffle in seperating the refugium from where the skimmer is going to go. The refugium part is on the far right and the skimmer is going to go near the already installed baffle.
And BTW, it's a Model 3 sump. I made a mistake.
Let me know if you have any questions on it.
Drain and return on right side overflow. This isn't completely finished, the pipe going to the far right is going to have a 95-degree on it to drain into the side of the sup I am making a refugium.
Full shot of sump with retuen and drain off to the left to the sesond overflow.
Drain and return from the left side overflow.
2 Return pumps:
I am also going to be adding filter socks to the drains and I still have to put the baffle in seperating the refugium from where the skimmer is going to go. The refugium part is on the far right and the skimmer is going to go near the already installed baffle.
And BTW, it's a Model 3 sump. I made a mistake.
Let me know if you have any questions on it.