Whats the Difference

[perfectdark]

Just curious if anyone knows, and could explain it to me.
Other than location, what is the difference between fish gathered from different places. In particular, whats the difference between a True Perc from Bali, Solomon Islands, Papua/New Guinea or Indo Pacific?
Could it be coloration, aggressiveness? If its color, which is known to be more colorful.

 

[srfisher17]

Originally Posted by PerfectDark
Just curious if anyone knows, and could explain it to me.
Other than location, what is the difference between fish gathered from different places. In particular, whats the difference between a True Perc from Bali, Solomon Islands, Papua/New Guinea or Indo Pacific?
Could it be coloration, aggressiveness? If its color, which is known to be more colorful.
Are you,maybe, asking about the "Black Onyx" morph of Perc that is foumd in The Solomons and PNG?

 

[perfectdark]

Nope I am refering to places you go mostly online and their "True Perc's" are labled with where they come from. Why would this be relevent unless in some way it mattered. If it does what is the difference. Example: on this site there are advertised "True Perc's" from Bali. Why would I buy a perc from bali rather than one that was taken from the Solomon Islands?

 

[itom37]

I don't know specifics, but different populations are going to have slight differences. They may or may not be visible, but given that these populations haven't interbred in a long time, they have diverged slightly, in an evolutionary sense. It may be the case that two fish of the same species from different populations won't get along as well (maybe they notice differences that we can't see), but all in all I think it's pretty inconsequential in most instances.

 

[srfisher17]

Originally Posted by PerfectDark
Nope I am refering to places you go mostly online and their "True Perc's" are labled with where they come from. Why would this be relevent unless in some way it mattered. If it does what is the difference. Example: on this site there are advertised "True Perc's" from Bali. Why would I buy a perc from bali rather than one that was taken from the Solomon Islands?
I'm no expert on the percs, other than the morphs I mentioned earlier; but some fish have very significant differences, depending on their origin. (Harlequin tusk and Scotts Fairy Wrasse from Australia are much different looking fish than those from elsewhere, better, IMO.) I know some areas of the world do a much better job policing collecting and handling techniques--in particular, the use of cyanide. I know one online supplier that will not import fish from areas because of their high mortality rate. A fish from Australia can cost more than the same species from elsewhere, just because it is more expensive to collect.Some of all this may just be law, I think labeling imports as to country of origin may also apply to livestock. I got more long-winded than usual; but I guess I'm talking about the general subject rather than perc clowns; and I do tend get gabby.I'll leave the perc specifics to others.

 

[fishygurl]

ya the only thing i have heard is that my flame angel doesnt go to the cleaner shrimp when it has ich because it doesnt know what a cleaner shrimp is if its from hawaii? do they not have cleaners in hawaii?? hmm i thought it was kinda interesting not sure if its true or not though.

 

[srfisher17]

Originally Posted by FishyGurl
ya the only thing i have heard is that my flame angel doesnt go to the cleaner shrimp when it has ich because it doesnt know what a cleaner shrimp is if its from hawaii? do they not have cleaners in hawaii?? hmm i thought it was kinda interesting not sure if its true or not though.
If your fish has ich; any cleaner shrimp, even a whole herd of them, won't cure it. If your flame has ich, better check the disease forum ASAP...BTW, Flames are very sensitive to copper, so hyposalinity is really your only option.

 

[bang guy]

Skunk Cleaner Shrimp do not exist everywhere but in nearly all parts of the oceans have some type of Cleaner Shrimp. I think fish recognise them from their behavior more than their appearance.
I agree that these Shrimp cannot cure Ick. They can make the fish feel better though and that helps the fish fight off the infection.
Hyposalinity in a hospital tank is probably the best real cure for Ick. This is best done before ever adding a fish to your main tank.

 

[indiglo]

Im fairly new to Saltwater fish. What exactly is Hyposalinity?

 

[perfectdark]

Originally Posted by indiglo
Im fairly new to Saltwater fish. What exactly is Hyposalinity?
Hypo meaning lower than normal and salinity meaning saline, as in the salt content of your water. So, basically you are lowering the salinty of your tanks water to the point where ich cannot survive, 1.009 sg to be exact.
I guess I am looking to be a bit specific, I am particularly intersted in the true percula's with regard to this question.
OK can anyone else shed some light on the fish question?

 

[indiglo]

How long do you expose the fish? Do you make up a mixture of saltwater just for this proceedure?
Thanks

 

[perfectdark]

There is a whole write up about it in the disese forum but simply said. All new fish brought into your house should be quarantined before adding them to your display tank. This is done with a small tank, rubbermaid container... etc. Small hang on filter and power head and a heater. Observation for 3 weeks to make sure your fish are healthy and to get used to you. In that time if your fish start to show signs you can eaisly start hyposalinity without hurting your display tank. The proceedure to get your salinity down to 1.009 should take about 48 hours and remain there for 4 to 6 weeks as this is how long it takes to break the ich cycle. Ich cannot survive such a low salinity but ich has 3 stages to their life cycle and you must break that to rid your fish of any further potential for infection. As simply as I can say it there it is.. The reason we dont do this to our display tanks is that inverts and corals are not tolerant to such a low salinity and would die.

 

[srfisher17]

Originally Posted by PerfectDark
There is a whole write up about it in the disese forum but simply said. All new fish brought into your house should be quarantined before adding them to your display tank. This is done with a small tank, rubbermaid container... etc. Small hang on filter and power head and a heater. Observation for 3 weeks to make sure your fish are healthy and to get used to you. In that time if your fish start to show signs you can eaisly start hyposalinity without hurting your display tank. The proceedure to get your salinity down to 1.009 should take about 48 hours and remain there for 4 to 6 weeks as this is how long it takes to break the ich cycle. Ich cannot survive such a low salinity but ich has 3 stages to their life cycle and you must break that to rid your fish of any further potential for infection. As simply as I can say it there it is.. The reason we dont do this to our display tanks is that inverts and corals are not tolerant to such a low salinity and would die.

Great advice and sorry for borrowing your thread. A complete understanding (from info above) of ich life cycle should really be "must" reading for any hobbiest. Diagnosis & cures only make sense if you understand how these parasites live; and, hopefully, die.

 

[perfectdark]

No worries, and if it helps someone understand I dont mind swaying off topic a bit on one of my threads.