When it rains, it pours....
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socal57che
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3234879
I don't drive foreign cars no do I want to continue supporting the corrupt UAW. We need a new manufacturer in this country.
GM should have been allowed to go away. Capitalism works if you let it. A new company would have emerged to fill the void, or Ford would have absorbed their customer base. In the situation we have with Gubment Motors, neither occured. The company was allowed to limp along after it would have naturally collapsed. I love GM and many of my family members have worked at various plants, but handing them a crutch was the wrong thing to do, IMO.
http:///forum/post/3234879
I don't drive foreign cars no do I want to continue supporting the corrupt UAW. We need a new manufacturer in this country.
GM should have been allowed to go away. Capitalism works if you let it. A new company would have emerged to fill the void, or Ford would have absorbed their customer base. In the situation we have with Gubment Motors, neither occured. The company was allowed to limp along after it would have naturally collapsed. I love GM and many of my family members have worked at various plants, but handing them a crutch was the wrong thing to do, IMO.
socal57che
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3234855
Are their assembly plant capable of being converted to war factories?
Only if Japan schedules a full US military invasion.
http:///forum/post/3234855
Are their assembly plant capable of being converted to war factories?
Only if Japan schedules a full US military invasion.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3223764
http://www.hulu.com/watch/125825/nbc...0%99s-troubles
It now appears there is a small problem with the brakes on many Toyota Prius's....
Anyway I was curious, just based on sheer numbers somewhere has to have had a Toyota that's fallen under the recall. Have you taken your Toyota in for the recall? Did they explain the recall/what the fix is to you?
From my understand, they are inserting a small metal plate to help the pedal from sticking. Well, isn't that piece going to limit the pedal travel, so you no longer have full throttle?
As far for the poll, I am very curious of everyone's thoughts.
For my under the breath comment. *For the time it take for a toyota to drive into the ground, people will have already had grandkids. No one will remember.**
Secondly, you can go online and find TONS of braking and traction control issues with the Prius, along with Battery and fuel efficiency issues.
We had a caddy that the pedal stuck, fortunately my family member was ok, but the car was totaled. Of course it wasn't caddy's fault. But the person driving has literally never had an accident in his entire life including living in Mexico for years.
So I dunno.
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3234719
I started reading the recall thread over at TS and it seems that a few of the guys feel the same way I do. I really don't think it's a sticking pedal problem, but a miscommunication between the pedal and the PCM. I never did like the drive by wire idea. Toyota also controls partial steering with the PCM. Steering isn't as responsive on the models that have it as part of the stability control. Mine is a base model and does not have this feature. It was enough to turn me away from the other Tundra that had it. For a car guy, not being in control is a scary feeling and that's the feeling I got.
I'd LOVE it if someone came out with a car, with a V-8 pushrod motor, and not an electrical component it it, but an ignition system. (oh and an AC) Just a plain ol simple car. Heck with this electrically controlled car crap.
http:///forum/post/3223764
http://www.hulu.com/watch/125825/nbc...0%99s-troubles
It now appears there is a small problem with the brakes on many Toyota Prius's....
Anyway I was curious, just based on sheer numbers somewhere has to have had a Toyota that's fallen under the recall. Have you taken your Toyota in for the recall? Did they explain the recall/what the fix is to you?
From my understand, they are inserting a small metal plate to help the pedal from sticking. Well, isn't that piece going to limit the pedal travel, so you no longer have full throttle?
As far for the poll, I am very curious of everyone's thoughts.
For my under the breath comment. *For the time it take for a toyota to drive into the ground, people will have already had grandkids. No one will remember.**
Secondly, you can go online and find TONS of braking and traction control issues with the Prius, along with Battery and fuel efficiency issues.
We had a caddy that the pedal stuck, fortunately my family member was ok, but the car was totaled. Of course it wasn't caddy's fault. But the person driving has literally never had an accident in his entire life including living in Mexico for years.
So I dunno.
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3234719
I started reading the recall thread over at TS and it seems that a few of the guys feel the same way I do. I really don't think it's a sticking pedal problem, but a miscommunication between the pedal and the PCM. I never did like the drive by wire idea. Toyota also controls partial steering with the PCM. Steering isn't as responsive on the models that have it as part of the stability control. Mine is a base model and does not have this feature. It was enough to turn me away from the other Tundra that had it. For a car guy, not being in control is a scary feeling and that's the feeling I got.
I'd LOVE it if someone came out with a car, with a V-8 pushrod motor, and not an electrical component it it, but an ignition system. (oh and an AC) Just a plain ol simple car. Heck with this electrically controlled car crap.
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bulldog123
http:///forum/post/3234855
Are they built in America or assembled in America.
And where do the profits go
How many Americans are employed buy foreign companies vs what was the great American Car Manufactures? Are their assembly plant capable of being converted to war factories?
This is a good debate. Most of the foreign cars that are assembled here are primarily done so because they aren't sold (much at least) else where in the world. The Camry/Accord are all too big for foreign markets. It is true some domestic are built in either Canada or Mexico, however for some GM's at least, they are beginning to move the plants back stateside, the Silverado will be built in Flint Michigan in 2010, moving from their Mexican plant. If I had to pick either a domestic car that built in Mexico, or a foreign car built in the US, I would still say the foreign USA-made car is "better" for America.
However the solution is pretty easy if you "want to support America", just buy a domestic car that's built in America. In that that's not necessarily my opinion, just saying for the "support America" argument, the solution is pretty simple.
http:///forum/post/3234855
Are they built in America or assembled in America.
This is a good debate. Most of the foreign cars that are assembled here are primarily done so because they aren't sold (much at least) else where in the world. The Camry/Accord are all too big for foreign markets. It is true some domestic are built in either Canada or Mexico, however for some GM's at least, they are beginning to move the plants back stateside, the Silverado will be built in Flint Michigan in 2010, moving from their Mexican plant. If I had to pick either a domestic car that built in Mexico, or a foreign car built in the US, I would still say the foreign USA-made car is "better" for America.
However the solution is pretty easy if you "want to support America", just buy a domestic car that's built in America. In that that's not necessarily my opinion, just saying for the "support America" argument, the solution is pretty simple.
scotts
Active Member
OK so I will answer your original question. I have an 09 Camry. No I have not taken it in for the floor mat recall. The reason being is that it sounded stupid to me. Sounds like a bunch of people trying to find the cheapest thing to blame a problem on. I have not taken it in on the gas pedal recall because I am still waiting for all the dust to settle on that one. It seems like more is being discovered and being "fixed" as it goes along. I for one like the idea of when you step on the brake the gas position goes to neutral, that is what happens anyway with your feet. I will take it in eventually when all the dust settles. My wife drives the car and she knows how to shut if off if there is a problem. You see we also have the push button ignition.
Am I happy with the car? yes. Why? Because my wife says that she is comfortable driving it and she likes the car. That is enough for me. I would have to say that I am disappointed in Toyota and I would give thought to buying another one. The reason I am disappointed in them is because they seem to have cut corners too far. ALL companies cut corners so don't make what I am saying into a "Japanese cars are junk" statement. I still expect to be driving this car for many years to come (that is the best I can say without jinxing myself.)
Am I happy with the car? yes. Why? Because my wife says that she is comfortable driving it and she likes the car. That is enough for me. I would have to say that I am disappointed in Toyota and I would give thought to buying another one. The reason I am disappointed in them is because they seem to have cut corners too far. ALL companies cut corners so don't make what I am saying into a "Japanese cars are junk" statement. I still expect to be driving this car for many years to come (that is the best I can say without jinxing myself.)
yearofthenick
Active Member
I'm a big fan of Toyota and I will continue to buy their cars. Just because there is a recall on something doesn't make them a bad company. Part of me really likes that they're diligent to fix a problem. What pisses me off is when GM wants to sell me a car and they know the head gaskets are going to blow in the engine at 78,000 miles. With a Toyota, you can beat them to death and they'll still run.
Plus, they're doing a good job with damage control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_fzCTiQE8
Plus, they're doing a good job with damage control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_fzCTiQE8
bulldog123
Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3235623
I'm a big fan of Toyota and I will continue to buy their cars. Just because there is a recall on something doesn't make them a bad company. Part of me really likes that they're diligent to fix a problem. What pisses me off is when GM wants to sell me a car and they know the head gaskets are going to blow in the engine at 78,000 miles. With a Toyota, you can beat them to death and they'll still run.
Plus, they're doing a good job with damage control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_fzCTiQE8
Where did the 78k come from. This entire statement is laughable
http:///forum/post/3235623
I'm a big fan of Toyota and I will continue to buy their cars. Just because there is a recall on something doesn't make them a bad company. Part of me really likes that they're diligent to fix a problem. What pisses me off is when GM wants to sell me a car and they know the head gaskets are going to blow in the engine at 78,000 miles. With a Toyota, you can beat them to death and they'll still run.
Plus, they're doing a good job with damage control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_fzCTiQE8
Where did the 78k come from. This entire statement is laughable
yearofthenick
Active Member
I once had a 1996 Pontiac. The head gasket blew at 78k miles. I didn't know anything was wrong until the oil gauge started showing high pressure. I went to do an oil change and when I took the drain screw out of the oil pan, pure green coolant came out. I'll never forget it. That same car also had transmission problems at 60k miles... just got worse and worse.
Some close friends of ours had a family car - 1989 Suburban they kept in immaculate condition. We took a trip down to mexico for a missions trip and, for no reason, the back right wheel fell off. Completely off. We had to find it somewhere off the side of the freeway... In MEXICO! Talk about stranded.
My mom had a 94 suburban and the A/C module started rattling at 70k miles... it made the vehicle sound like it had a diesel engine. Then it finally crapped out. $1200 to replace the whole A/C Unit.
Every Ford truck I've owned has given me problems. I have had an f-150 (1996) and it constantly needed transmission problems.
I know someone in construction who has an F-250 diesel and it sounds like you torture it every time you turn the ignition. it's constantly in and out of the shop.
My Dad used to drive a 1995 Ford Taurus and that thing was awful. Transmission going out, door panels coming off... and my dad's takes good care of his cars.
I had an International Scout II that I loved. That car would take a beating and still survive. Before the Taurus, my dad used to drive a Dodge Colt... it had almost 180k miles on it when he sold it - great car. Domestic cars aren't all bad, but for me, I've learned to stay away from GM and Ford. I really like the idea of Honda's and Toyota's holding their value well and lasting upwards of 200k miles on little more than oil changes. It shows that they've got their engineering figured out.
Some close friends of ours had a family car - 1989 Suburban they kept in immaculate condition. We took a trip down to mexico for a missions trip and, for no reason, the back right wheel fell off. Completely off. We had to find it somewhere off the side of the freeway... In MEXICO! Talk about stranded.
My mom had a 94 suburban and the A/C module started rattling at 70k miles... it made the vehicle sound like it had a diesel engine. Then it finally crapped out. $1200 to replace the whole A/C Unit.
Every Ford truck I've owned has given me problems. I have had an f-150 (1996) and it constantly needed transmission problems.
I know someone in construction who has an F-250 diesel and it sounds like you torture it every time you turn the ignition. it's constantly in and out of the shop.
My Dad used to drive a 1995 Ford Taurus and that thing was awful. Transmission going out, door panels coming off... and my dad's takes good care of his cars.
I had an International Scout II that I loved. That car would take a beating and still survive. Before the Taurus, my dad used to drive a Dodge Colt... it had almost 180k miles on it when he sold it - great car. Domestic cars aren't all bad, but for me, I've learned to stay away from GM and Ford. I really like the idea of Honda's and Toyota's holding their value well and lasting upwards of 200k miles on little more than oil changes. It shows that they've got their engineering figured out.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3235663
I once had a 1996 Pontiac. The head gasket blew at 78k miles. I didn't know anything was wrong until the oil gauge started showing high pressure. I went to do an oil change and when I took the drain screw out of the oil pan, pure green coolant came out. I'll never forget it. That same car also had transmission problems at 60k miles... just got worse and worse.
Some close friends of ours had a family car - 1989 Suburban they kept in immaculate condition. We took a trip down to mexico for a missions trip and, for no reason, the back right wheel fell off. Completely off. We had to find it somewhere off the side of the freeway... In MEXICO! Talk about stranded.
My mom had a 94 suburban and the A/C module started rattling at 70k miles... it made the vehicle sound like it had a diesel engine. Then it finally crapped out. $1200 to replace the whole A/C Unit.
Every Ford truck I've owned has given me problems. I have had an f-150 (1996) and it constantly needed transmission problems.
I know someone in construction who has an F-250 diesel and it sounds like you torture it every time you turn the ignition. it's constantly in and out of the shop.
My Dad used to drive a 1995 Ford Taurus and that thing was awful. Transmission going out, door panels coming off... and my dad's takes good care of his cars.
I had an International Scout II that I loved. That car would take a beating and still survive. Before the Taurus, my dad used to drive a Dodge Colt... it had almost 180k miles on it when he sold it - great car. Domestic cars aren't all bad, but for me, I've learned to stay away from GM and Ford. I really like the idea of Honda's and Toyota's holding their value well and lasting upwards of 200k miles on little more than oil changes. It shows that they've got their engineering figured out.
I pull a 29 foot toyhauler with my 02 ford, never an issue. My uncle's 95 was used to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel. He got nearly 90K on the brakes out of that thing. My brother has an 04 Dodge he put over 160K on in a matter of just over a year most of which was hauling land sea containers from Chicago to Wyoming. He had a issue with a leak in the fuel pump when it was new, other than that not a problem. Let's see a Toyota truck do any of that.
http:///forum/post/3235663
I once had a 1996 Pontiac. The head gasket blew at 78k miles. I didn't know anything was wrong until the oil gauge started showing high pressure. I went to do an oil change and when I took the drain screw out of the oil pan, pure green coolant came out. I'll never forget it. That same car also had transmission problems at 60k miles... just got worse and worse.
Some close friends of ours had a family car - 1989 Suburban they kept in immaculate condition. We took a trip down to mexico for a missions trip and, for no reason, the back right wheel fell off. Completely off. We had to find it somewhere off the side of the freeway... In MEXICO! Talk about stranded.
My mom had a 94 suburban and the A/C module started rattling at 70k miles... it made the vehicle sound like it had a diesel engine. Then it finally crapped out. $1200 to replace the whole A/C Unit.
Every Ford truck I've owned has given me problems. I have had an f-150 (1996) and it constantly needed transmission problems.
I know someone in construction who has an F-250 diesel and it sounds like you torture it every time you turn the ignition. it's constantly in and out of the shop.
My Dad used to drive a 1995 Ford Taurus and that thing was awful. Transmission going out, door panels coming off... and my dad's takes good care of his cars.
I had an International Scout II that I loved. That car would take a beating and still survive. Before the Taurus, my dad used to drive a Dodge Colt... it had almost 180k miles on it when he sold it - great car. Domestic cars aren't all bad, but for me, I've learned to stay away from GM and Ford. I really like the idea of Honda's and Toyota's holding their value well and lasting upwards of 200k miles on little more than oil changes. It shows that they've got their engineering figured out.
I pull a 29 foot toyhauler with my 02 ford, never an issue. My uncle's 95 was used to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel. He got nearly 90K on the brakes out of that thing. My brother has an 04 Dodge he put over 160K on in a matter of just over a year most of which was hauling land sea containers from Chicago to Wyoming. He had a issue with a leak in the fuel pump when it was new, other than that not a problem. Let's see a Toyota truck do any of that.
yearofthenick
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3235650
I am not a big far of GM but I've seen plenty of their stuff running with 200K on them and still going.
Never owned a Toyota and never will after this. I am a truck guy and theirs can't come close to a Dodge, let alone a chevy or Ford.
From what I've seen, it's a lot more common to find 1980's toyota trucks than it is to find 1980's Chevy trucks. The same is true for Ford Taurus and Camry/Civic/Accord. They JUST last longer and they hold their value better.
To buy a new well equipped Toyota Tundra and Chevy Silverado is about the same price, about $28k. But in 4 years, the Tundra will depreciate less.
http:///forum/post/3235650
I am not a big far of GM but I've seen plenty of their stuff running with 200K on them and still going.
Never owned a Toyota and never will after this. I am a truck guy and theirs can't come close to a Dodge, let alone a chevy or Ford.
From what I've seen, it's a lot more common to find 1980's toyota trucks than it is to find 1980's Chevy trucks. The same is true for Ford Taurus and Camry/Civic/Accord. They JUST last longer and they hold their value better.
To buy a new well equipped Toyota Tundra and Chevy Silverado is about the same price, about $28k. But in 4 years, the Tundra will depreciate less.
yearofthenick
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3235670
I pull a 29 foot toyhauler with my 02 ford, never an issue. My uncle's 95 was used to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel. He got nearly 90K on the brakes out of that thing. My brother has an 04 Dodge he put over 160K on in a matter of just over a year most of which was hauling land sea containers from Chicago to Wyoming. He had a issue with a leak in the fuel pump when it was new, other than that not a problem. Let's see a Toyota truck do any of that.
I would agree that most of the HD stuff they build is pretty solid. I'm talking about normal/light use cars like the camry or even a 1500 Silverado with a 4.8 vortec in it. They just don't last as long as foreign.
My 06 Tundra can haul up to 8,000 lb's, which I'm sure isn't as much as a standard Silverado (10,000 lbs?) but I do know that it will live for twice as long.
http:///forum/post/3235670
I pull a 29 foot toyhauler with my 02 ford, never an issue. My uncle's 95 was used to pull a 35 foot 5th wheel. He got nearly 90K on the brakes out of that thing. My brother has an 04 Dodge he put over 160K on in a matter of just over a year most of which was hauling land sea containers from Chicago to Wyoming. He had a issue with a leak in the fuel pump when it was new, other than that not a problem. Let's see a Toyota truck do any of that.
I would agree that most of the HD stuff they build is pretty solid. I'm talking about normal/light use cars like the camry or even a 1500 Silverado with a 4.8 vortec in it. They just don't last as long as foreign.
My 06 Tundra can haul up to 8,000 lb's, which I'm sure isn't as much as a standard Silverado (10,000 lbs?) but I do know that it will live for twice as long.
yearofthenick
Active Member
P.S. I have nothing against Dodge... I think they make good cars... except for that piece of crap Chrysler Town and Country that I drove around for a few weeks. I hated it....
...but it could have also been because it's a minivan... what man wants to drive that?
...but it could have also been because it's a minivan... what man wants to drive that?
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3235663
I once had a 1996 Pontiac. The head gasket blew at 78k miles. I didn't know anything was wrong until the oil gauge started showing high pressure. I went to do an oil change and when I took the drain screw out of the oil pan, pure green coolant came out. I'll never forget it. That same car also had transmission problems at 60k miles... just got worse and worse.
Some close friends of ours had a family car - 1989 Suburban they kept in immaculate condition. We took a trip down to mexico for a missions trip and, for no reason, the back right wheel fell off. Completely off. We had to find it somewhere off the side of the freeway... In MEXICO! Talk about stranded.
My mom had a 94 suburban and the A/C module started rattling at 70k miles... it made the vehicle sound like it had a diesel engine. Then it finally crapped out. $1200 to replace the whole A/C Unit.
Every Ford truck I've owned has given me problems. I have had an f-150 (1996) and it constantly needed transmission problems.
I know someone in construction who has an F-250 diesel and it sounds like you torture it every time you turn the ignition. it's constantly in and out of the shop.
My Dad used to drive a 1995 Ford Taurus and that thing was awful. Transmission going out, door panels coming off... and my dad's takes good care of his cars.
I had an International Scout II that I loved. That car would take a beating and still survive. Before the Taurus, my dad used to drive a Dodge Colt... it had almost 180k miles on it when he sold it - great car. Domestic cars aren't all bad, but for me, I've learned to stay away from GM and Ford. I really like the idea of Honda's and Toyota's holding their value well and lasting upwards of 200k miles on little more than oil changes. It shows that they've got their engineering figured out.
Some of that is an apples to oranges comparsion. What did Toyota make in 1989 to compete with a 1989 Suburban? What did Toyota make to compete with a 1996 F-250 diesel?
There is no hiding the bad domestics of the 80's and early 90's. My opinion is that times have changed. Put nearly anyone behind the wheel 2010 Malibu, Camry/Accord, Fusion, or even a Sonata. They're all the same anymore. Car quality across the board is leaps and bounds better then it was 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago. If you want a mass-produced people haul that gets from point-A to point-B, they all even anymore.
The thing to me, that has kept me loyal to GM, has been their risk of offering performance-oriented cars. What does Toyota/Honda have to compete against the Corvette/Camaro, Solstice? G8? Impala SS? There has been the Lexus IS-F, but it quickly got left behind and sold horribly.
http:///forum/post/3235663
I once had a 1996 Pontiac. The head gasket blew at 78k miles. I didn't know anything was wrong until the oil gauge started showing high pressure. I went to do an oil change and when I took the drain screw out of the oil pan, pure green coolant came out. I'll never forget it. That same car also had transmission problems at 60k miles... just got worse and worse.
Some close friends of ours had a family car - 1989 Suburban they kept in immaculate condition. We took a trip down to mexico for a missions trip and, for no reason, the back right wheel fell off. Completely off. We had to find it somewhere off the side of the freeway... In MEXICO! Talk about stranded.
My mom had a 94 suburban and the A/C module started rattling at 70k miles... it made the vehicle sound like it had a diesel engine. Then it finally crapped out. $1200 to replace the whole A/C Unit.
Every Ford truck I've owned has given me problems. I have had an f-150 (1996) and it constantly needed transmission problems.
I know someone in construction who has an F-250 diesel and it sounds like you torture it every time you turn the ignition. it's constantly in and out of the shop.
My Dad used to drive a 1995 Ford Taurus and that thing was awful. Transmission going out, door panels coming off... and my dad's takes good care of his cars.
I had an International Scout II that I loved. That car would take a beating and still survive. Before the Taurus, my dad used to drive a Dodge Colt... it had almost 180k miles on it when he sold it - great car. Domestic cars aren't all bad, but for me, I've learned to stay away from GM and Ford. I really like the idea of Honda's and Toyota's holding their value well and lasting upwards of 200k miles on little more than oil changes. It shows that they've got their engineering figured out.
Some of that is an apples to oranges comparsion. What did Toyota make in 1989 to compete with a 1989 Suburban? What did Toyota make to compete with a 1996 F-250 diesel?
There is no hiding the bad domestics of the 80's and early 90's. My opinion is that times have changed. Put nearly anyone behind the wheel 2010 Malibu, Camry/Accord, Fusion, or even a Sonata. They're all the same anymore. Car quality across the board is leaps and bounds better then it was 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago. If you want a mass-produced people haul that gets from point-A to point-B, they all even anymore.
The thing to me, that has kept me loyal to GM, has been their risk of offering performance-oriented cars. What does Toyota/Honda have to compete against the Corvette/Camaro, Solstice? G8? Impala SS? There has been the Lexus IS-F, but it quickly got left behind and sold horribly.
yearofthenick
Active Member
Again, I'm talking about general light/medium use vehicles. Not the sport category.
But you are forgetting about the Acura RSX and the NSX (Both of which they don't make anymore, not sure why since they weren't exactly bad cars) Or the Civic Si which (if modified) would blow a corvette out of the water. But I think you said it well when you said it was an apples to oranges comparison. You get the 50-something guys who want to buy a car and mash the gas, they get a corvette. Then you get the 20-something guy who wants a cheap car he can tinker with and juice up to whiz past the 50-something corvette driver with, getting him to mess in his depends undergarments. Just a different ballgame.
But you are forgetting about the Acura RSX and the NSX (Both of which they don't make anymore, not sure why since they weren't exactly bad cars) Or the Civic Si which (if modified) would blow a corvette out of the water. But I think you said it well when you said it was an apples to oranges comparison. You get the 50-something guys who want to buy a car and mash the gas, they get a corvette. Then you get the 20-something guy who wants a cheap car he can tinker with and juice up to whiz past the 50-something corvette driver with, getting him to mess in his depends undergarments. Just a different ballgame.
bulldog123
Member
Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3235694
Again, I'm talking about general light/medium use vehicles. Not the sport category.
But you are forgetting about the Acura RSX and the NSX (Both of which they don't make anymore, not sure why since they weren't exactly bad cars) Or the Civic Si which (if modified) would blow a corvette out of the water. But I think you said it well when you said it was an apples to oranges comparison. You get the 50-something guys who want to buy a car and mash the gas, they get a corvette. Then you get the 20-something guy who wants a cheap car he can tinker with and juice up to whiz past the 50-something corvette driver with, getting him to mess in his depends undergarments. Just a different ballgame.
This must be the only comparison every between a corvette and civic
http:///forum/post/3235694
Again, I'm talking about general light/medium use vehicles. Not the sport category.
But you are forgetting about the Acura RSX and the NSX (Both of which they don't make anymore, not sure why since they weren't exactly bad cars) Or the Civic Si which (if modified) would blow a corvette out of the water. But I think you said it well when you said it was an apples to oranges comparison. You get the 50-something guys who want to buy a car and mash the gas, they get a corvette. Then you get the 20-something guy who wants a cheap car he can tinker with and juice up to whiz past the 50-something corvette driver with, getting him to mess in his depends undergarments. Just a different ballgame.
This must be the only comparison every between a corvette and civic
reefraff
Active Member
I saw a show on TV where they were doing match races. A guy had a hopped up Civic. Went up against a 62 Nova. Nova gave up 14 car lengths in the quarter and still beat the rice burner by a few length. You'll spend more making the Civic beat a vette than you would to buy the Vette but if you like the wrench they are a fun project.