theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/394081/when-you-say-youre-afraid-of-the-government-who-exactly-are-you-afraid-of/60#post_3508394
Clemson here is Something to Really Think about for a LONG TIME. For Years Chicago and Washington DC both had Total Gun BANS in the Cities meaning you could not OWN a gun in those cities as a Private Citizen. 2 Private Citizens took the Cites to court and WON the Supreme Court of the USA ruled that the 2nd Amendment said that their Right to OWN a GUN had been INFRINGED and they had the RIGHT TO OWN a GUN. DC Complied with a Tough Registration policy and Concealed Carry and Guess What their CRIME RATE DROPPED.
Chicago however basically did the Min to Comply and still restricted Gun Ownership aka You can not have a LOADED Gun in City Limits. They LEAD the NATION in MURDERS AND OTHER VIOLENT CRIME. Chicago has had more People Murdered and SHOT than our Troops in Afghanistan over the Last 2 Years. Chicago has had more People Killed over 10 Years than all the KIA's in Irag and Afghanistan COMBINED yet people say Restrict Gun Ownership from the Law Abiding People of this Nation. Here is how Screwed up IL is you can Move from this state with Legally OWNED WEAPONS Fail to get what is called a FOID card or Firearms Owner ID card and Get Charged with a Felony. That tell you anything how Screwed up this State is. You Bought and Own the GUNS Legally and HERE IN IL IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A CARD FROM THE STATE THAT SAYS YOU CAN OWN THEM YOUR A FELON.
That's all good and fine, but I did a very quick Google search on gun related deaths in Chicago from 2000-2008, and granted this is just Chicagoland, so the rest of the state doesn't count in these numbers... Here we go:
Of the total homicides using guns, 93% of those murders were committed by males, of which 77.4% of those were black, and 17.3% were Hispanic. Those who were killed were 81.8% black and 15.4% Hispanic. Also, it's estimated that over 65% of those homicides were gang related, and 22% were attached to either drugs or alcohol. The majority of these crimes occoured in three neighborhoods (Fuller Park, Washington Park, and Garfield Park) which are all notoriously bad neighborhoods with gangs and drugs.
My point, is that I understand you want to make it look like Old man Jones sitting in his middle class home was the one who ended up being the victim of those bans. When realistically, it was the same people in the same bad neighborhoods who did most of the shooting and killing. The same people that all buy guns off the street. The same people that a gun ban wouldn't affect at all, because they don't follow the laws anyways.
I'm not saying your numbers don't matter, I'm just saying I don't think for the "general" public, it made much of a difference based on the numbers I just found.
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///t/394081/when-you-say-youre-afraid-of-the-government-who-exactly-are-you-afraid-of/60#post_3508394
Clemson here is Something to Really Think about for a LONG TIME. For Years Chicago and Washington DC both had Total Gun BANS in the Cities meaning you could not OWN a gun in those cities as a Private Citizen. 2 Private Citizens took the Cites to court and WON the Supreme Court of the USA ruled that the 2nd Amendment said that their Right to OWN a GUN had been INFRINGED and they had the RIGHT TO OWN a GUN. DC Complied with a Tough Registration policy and Concealed Carry and Guess What their CRIME RATE DROPPED.
Chicago however basically did the Min to Comply and still restricted Gun Ownership aka You can not have a LOADED Gun in City Limits. They LEAD the NATION in MURDERS AND OTHER VIOLENT CRIME. Chicago has had more People Murdered and SHOT than our Troops in Afghanistan over the Last 2 Years. Chicago has had more People Killed over 10 Years than all the KIA's in Irag and Afghanistan COMBINED yet people say Restrict Gun Ownership from the Law Abiding People of this Nation. Here is how Screwed up IL is you can Move from this state with Legally OWNED WEAPONS Fail to get what is called a FOID card or Firearms Owner ID card and Get Charged with a Felony. That tell you anything how Screwed up this State is. You Bought and Own the GUNS Legally and HERE IN IL IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A CARD FROM THE STATE THAT SAYS YOU CAN OWN THEM YOUR A FELON.
That's all good and fine, but I did a very quick Google search on gun related deaths in Chicago from 2000-2008, and granted this is just Chicagoland, so the rest of the state doesn't count in these numbers... Here we go:
Of the total homicides using guns, 93% of those murders were committed by males, of which 77.4% of those were black, and 17.3% were Hispanic. Those who were killed were 81.8% black and 15.4% Hispanic. Also, it's estimated that over 65% of those homicides were gang related, and 22% were attached to either drugs or alcohol. The majority of these crimes occoured in three neighborhoods (Fuller Park, Washington Park, and Garfield Park) which are all notoriously bad neighborhoods with gangs and drugs.
My point, is that I understand you want to make it look like Old man Jones sitting in his middle class home was the one who ended up being the victim of those bans. When realistically, it was the same people in the same bad neighborhoods who did most of the shooting and killing. The same people that all buy guns off the street. The same people that a gun ban wouldn't affect at all, because they don't follow the laws anyways.
I'm not saying your numbers don't matter, I'm just saying I don't think for the "general" public, it made much of a difference based on the numbers I just found.
