Where to put Chemi-Pure/filter floss

subielover

subielover

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I wouldn't use instant ocean in a reef, especially a nano-reef. Reason being is I really don't want to have to dose anything. With having such a small tank, even the smallest error dosing and your tank could crash. I am currently using tropic-marin pro reef and can't complain. I have heard mostly good things about reef crystals. I know Mr. X only uses oceanic salt and doesn't dose for anything. Take a look at his tanks and you will be taken aback. This is all of course just my opinion.
 
ray j neal

ray j neal

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Originally Posted by subielover
http:///forum/post/2813330
I wouldn't use instant ocean in a reef, especially a nano-reef. Reason being is I really don't want to have to dose anything. With having such a small tank, even the smallest error dosing and your tank could crash. I am currently using tropic-marin pro reef and can't complain. I have heard mostly good things about reef crystals. I know Mr. X only uses oceanic salt and doesn't dose for anything. Take a look at his tanks and you will be taken aback. This is all of course just my opinion.
Great. I was thinking of ordering Oceanic natural sea salt 200G bucket and s 160G bucket of IO for the 150 from the doctors. With Oceanic then dosing is not really necessary? I still will need to dose the display while cycling since I used IO to fill it though, huh? About that 150G FTS...I have a nasty bout of cyano right now
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ray j neal

ray j neal

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Originally Posted by NaNo-NeWb1983
http:///forum/post/2813397
+1 on the Oceanic natural sea salt

Originally Posted by nissan577
http:///forum/post/2813431
+2 really great
What does the calcium usually read after mixing to 1.0026?
I am beginning to order the remaining things I need (besides LR). I am getting the Oceanic mix and Salifert test kits for calc, alk, and mag. Should I order Turbo-Calcium? What about a Magnesium supplement? Do I need to order a Mag supplement as well?
EDIT: Are the Saliferts a must for testing? Is there an alternative for calc, alk, mag, phos kits? I am looking at $120 for these kits!
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by Ray J Neal
http:///forum/post/2813512
What does the calcium usually read after mixing to 1.0026?
I am beginning to order the remaining things I need (besides LR). I am getting the Oceanic mix and Salifert test kits for calc, alk, and mag. Should I order Turbo-Calcium? What about a Magnesium supplement? Do I need to order a Mag supplement as well?
EDIT: Are the Saliferts a must for testing? Is there an alternative for calc, alk, mag, phos kits? I am looking at $120 for these kits!
See if you can do a short term fix by paying to test these tests at your LFS.. they're typically $2 a test for premium tests at my LFS.
You also need to realize that alot of cheaper tests don't have the lowrange that you need... like with an API phosphate test... no accuracy in the range you, but Tunze or Salfert's have that accuracy in the range you need.
 
ray j neal

ray j neal

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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2813533
See if you can do a short term fix by paying to test these tests at your LFS.. they're typically $2 a test for premium tests at my LFS.
You also need to realize that alot of cheaper tests don't have the lowrange that you need... like with an API phosphate test... no accuracy in the range you, but Tunze or Salfert's have that accuracy in the range you need.
I will be spending $100 for the Salifert calc, alk, mag, and phos kits. Also another $40 for Oceanic natural sea salt mix, and another $20 for calc and mag supplements. With this salt mix, will I be needing the calc and mag supplements regularly? I already have Kent Pro dkH. Seeing how Calc depends somewhat on Mag, will a Mag supplement be needed with this salt mix?
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by Ray J Neal
http:///forum/post/2813627
I will be spending $100 for the Salifert calc, alk, mag, and phos kits. Also another $40 for Oceanic natural sea salt mix, and another $20 for calc and mag supplements. With this salt mix, will I be needing the calc and mag supplements regularly? I already have Kent Pro dkH. Seeing how Calc depends somewhat on Mag, will a Mag supplement be needed with this salt mix?
I don't care for the oceanic, I like instant ocean reef crystals... I've had the most success with it. I only have to dose supplements when I get REALLY lazy (i.e. 2 months between) with water changes and that's with alot of sps&lps corals.
I think you're psyching yourself out. It's not gonna be as bad as you think, just make sure you get a good quality 2 part system and you'll be fine as long as you keep up with water changes. Once you have a tank LITTERED with SPS and LPS that's when you have to worry about dosing alot of stuff lol.
 
ray j neal

ray j neal

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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2813639
I don't care for the oceanic, I like instant ocean reef crystals... I've had the most success with it. I only have to dose supplements when I get REALLY lazy (i.e. 2 months between) with water changes and that's with alot of sps&lps corals.
I think you're psyching yourself out. It's not gonna be as bad as you think, just make sure you get a good quality 2 part system and you'll be fine as long as you keep up with water changes. Once you have a tank LITTERED with SPS and LPS that's when you have to worry about dosing alot of stuff lol.
Two part dose supplement you talking about I assume? When you dose, are you dosing the display or chage-water? Along with the stuff listed above, I am also going to order a Koralia 1 and a MJ1200 to replace the stock return pump. All combined, I will then have 695GPH flow. But bottom line, with the proper salt, the dosing should be minimal? And if dosing is necessary, is it performed in the display or done through water changes to adjust levels?
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by Ray J Neal
http:///forum/post/2813668
Two part dose supplement you talking about I assume? When you dose, are you dosing the display or chage-water? Along with the stuff listed above, I am also going to order a Koralia 1 and a MJ1200 to replace the stock return pump. All combined, I will then have 695GPH flow. But bottom line, with the proper salt, the dosing should be minimal? And if dosing is necessary, is it performed in the display or done through water changes to adjust levels?
You dose the display water (a few hours after a waterchange if its water change day)... and don't dump both chemicals in at once, I'd wait at least a a few hours between.
Turn your skimmer off (6hours because they like to suck additives out lol) and pull the carbon for 24hours at the same time for most effective use of supplements.
 
matt b

matt b

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Originally Posted by nissan577
http:///forum/post/2813112
see. no rubble as it will collect detritus and will have to be clean often.
Man people are crazy now a days. Advising against live rock????? Rock and sand are used as surfice area for bacteria. Bacteria breaks donw ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. And you are advising against it? You are telling them to pretty much add bioballs in place of live rock. Adding things like chem pure and filter socks are a PIA. They need cleaned every day to help more then hurt.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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If it gets to be a problem, you can get a kalk reactor, dosing pumps, or a calcium reactor if its really bad...
If your system is pulling calcium really bad (tons of sps and lps corals) where dKH drops 2 or more degrees in a day then you'll need to at least setup a kalk reactor or dosing pump that meters two part (and mag if necessary.) Consumption in all tanks is different. But don't worry about picking up mag and stuff if the tank is lightly stocked and new.
 
coral keeper

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Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2813682
Man people are crazy now a days. Advising against live rock????? Rock and sand are used as surfice area for bacteria. Bacteria breaks donw ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. And you are advising against it? You are telling them to pretty much add bioballs in place of live rock. Adding things like chem pure and filter socks are a PIA. They need cleaned every day to help more then hurt.
+1
 
nissan577

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Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2813682
Man people are crazy now a days. Advising against live rock????? Rock and sand are used as surfice area for bacteria. Bacteria breaks donw ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. And you are advising against it? You are telling them to pretty much add bioballs in place of live rock. Adding things like chem pure and filter socks are a PIA. They need cleaned every day to help more then hurt.
just in case you didnt know lr rubble will collect detritus. no one recommends it. but you wanna go do it go ahead. all i said is not to. if he does then suits himself. neither me, spanko, rebel, nano, catfish and i believe subie have lr rubble back there. all we have is chaeto with chemipure elite and purigen
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by MaTT B
http:///forum/post/2813682
Man people are crazy now a days. Advising against live rock????? Rock and sand are used as surfice area for bacteria. Bacteria breaks donw ammonia, nitrites and nitrates. And you are advising against it? You are telling them to pretty much add bioballs in place of live rock. Adding things like chem pure and filter socks are a PIA. They need cleaned every day to help more then hurt.
No no thats the thing man... if there isn't a ton of flow through the rock.. detritus gets trapped.. If the person is willing to address keeping detritus from building up on the rubble then its no big deal, but otherwise don't do it.
Chemipure and filter socks are way easier to clean of detritus that a huge pile of rubble in a chamber, you standards are skewed. lol
If you can get a way to blast water through and around the rubble, then it works WELL, if its stagnant its no better than bioballs and an illkept canister filter.
 
ray j neal

ray j neal

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Originally Posted by Rotarymagic
http:///forum/post/2813679
You dose the display water (a few hours after a waterchange if its water change day)... and don't dump both chemicals in at once, I'd wait at least a a few hours between.
Turn your skimmer off (6hours because they like to suck additives out lol) and pull the carbon for 24hours at the same time for most effective use of supplements.
You say pull out the carbon. I imagine it is okay to leave the chemi-pure in when dosing though right? I hear of peoples calcium being above desired levels (500 or slightly higher). My understanding is that higher calcium will not benefit coral skeletal growth, but not harm it either. Is this logic correct? Also, please let's not geting in a disagreement over LR rubble and get this thread locked. So far you all have been a great benefit. It is not every day I can get a thread going like this with such quick and beneficial responses.
 
rotarymagic

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Remember Matt, we're not against using live rock.. actually the opposite, but if its placed improperly and just accumulates detritus its actually hurting the tank.
 
rotarymagic

rotarymagic

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Originally Posted by Ray J Neal
http:///forum/post/2813741
You say pull out the carbon. I imagine it is okay to leave the chemi-pure in when dosing though right? I hear of peoples calcium being above desired levels (500 or slightly higher). My understanding is that higher calcium will not benefit coral skeletal growth, but not harm it either. Is this logic correct? Also, please let's not geting in a disagreement over LR rubble and get this thread locked. So far you all have been a great benefit. It is not every day I can get a thread going like this with such quick and beneficial responses.
Believe or not, you can kill stuff with ridiculously high levels of calcium too if there's not a high consumption for it. Chemipure is carbon. You can leave it in, but it absorb alot of what you put in as far as 2 part and other additives go, I mean it is used to pull medication out after treatment. LOL.
The LR rubble thing like I said before is like this:
Improper flow through it just causes an unhealthy accumulation of detritus.
Address this and it works well.
 
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