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darthtang aw

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There you go again. Republicans this republicans that. Once again ignoring that democrats do the same thing. Same thing has happenned in new mexico. Except done by democrats.
As to voter id. Nice to know you support fraud.
 

reefraff

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LOL! He points to Republican Gerrymandering and uses Texas as an example. Upon having his head handed to him with facts showing if anyone had Gerrymandered Texas it was the Democrats he changes the subject.
 

reefraff

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And yeah as far as Gerrymandering, I was in Montana for the Dems doing it for state legislature districts and here in Colorado where they just did the same thing for US house districts.
 

aggiealum

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397584/which-picture-is-scary-to-you/20#post_3544197
There you go again. Republicans this republicans that. Once again ignoring that democrats do the same thing. Same thing has happenned in new mexico. Except done by democrats.
As to voter id. Nice to know you support fraud.
Fraud? LMFAO. Please show categorical evidence ONE MAJOR election in this country in the last 50 years was won due to illegal votes. I'm not talking some podunk Mayorial campaign, or some State seat where 10% of the voting public voted.

Before this stupid Voter ID Law in Texas that now requires me to show a valid ID to vote, I voted in every election for the last 35 years with nothing more than my Voter's Registration Card. Then the Tea Baggers rolled into the state, a Black man was elected President, and all of a sudden I couldn't be trusted. What exactly changed? Yea, REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS. Just like you and your Three Amigos - Democrats did this, Democrats do that. Pot meet kettle.
 

darthtang aw

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Fraud?  LMFAO.  Please show categorical evidence ONE MAJOR election in this country in the last 50 years was won due to illegal votes.  I'm not talking some podunk Mayorial campaign, or some State seat where 10% of the voting public voted.
Before this stupid Voter ID Law in Texas that now requires me to show a valid ID to vote, I voted in every election for the last 35 years with nothing more than my Voter's Registration Card.  Then the Tea Baggers rolled into the state, a Black man was elected President, and all of a sudden I couldn't be trusted.  What exactly changed?  Yea, REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS, REPUBLICANS.  Just like you and your Three Amigos - Democrats did this, Democrats do that. Pot meet kettle.
So state senate or house seats dont matter? Or mayoral races dont matter? Arent you the same guy complaining about your local politics far more than the national level. Apparently those election matter far more. Election fraud is election fraud. It doesnt matter if it affect the outcome. You complain about a guy that used federal land to graze his cattle for free and that is apparently a big issue for you. But dont care about people that try to cheat the election system.
I believe i am the one that pointed out both parties gerrymander. Not targetting one specific party or complaining about it. So you can i sert your pot elsewhere.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397584/which-picture-is-scary-to-you/20#post_3544232
So state senate or house seats dont matter? Or mayoral races dont matter? Arent you the same guy complaining about your local politics far more than the national level. Apparently those election matter far more. Election fraud is election fraud. It doesnt matter if it affect the outcome. You complain about a guy that used federal land to graze his cattle for free and that is apparently a big issue for you. But dont care about people that try to cheat the election system.
I believe i am the one that pointed out both parties gerrymander. Not targetting one specific party or complaining about it. So you can i sert your pot elsewhere.

Only when is suites his purpose LOL!
 

aggiealum

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397584/which-picture-is-scary-to-you/20#post_3544232
So state senate or house seats dont matter? Or mayoral races dont matter? Arent you the same guy complaining about your local politics far more than the national level. Apparently those election matter far more. Election fraud is election fraud. It doesnt matter if it affect the outcome. You complain about a guy that used federal land to graze his cattle for free and that is apparently a big issue for you. But dont care about people that try to cheat the election system.
I believe i am the one that pointed out both parties gerrymander. Not targetting one specific party or complaining about it. So you can i sert your pot elsewhere.
Show proof any of those elections were won by blatant voter fraud. Yea, yea, I've read the right-wing conspiracy theories about stuffed ballot boxes, or the "dead voters", but anytime an election like that was exposed, it was remediated. Republicans make it harder for a certain sector of the population to vote because they don't have a valid ID, but they'll let absentee and mail-in votes continue to occur. OF COURSE voter fraud couldn't occur with those types of ballots...
 

darthtang aw

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Show proof any of those elections were won by blatant voter fraud.  Yea, yea, I've read the right-wing conspiracy theories about stuffed ballot boxes, or the "dead voters", but anytime an election like that was exposed, it was remediated.  Republicans make it harder for a certain sector of the population to vote because they don't have a valid ID, but they'll let absentee and mail-in votes continue to occur.  OF COURSE voter fraud couldn't occur with those types of ballots...
On Monday, John C. Moretina pleaded guilty to a federal felony count of voter fraud. In the August 2010 Democratic primary, Moretina falsely claimed he was living in Missouri’s 40th legislative district just so he could vote in the primary there.
This is a Democratic district so the winner of the primary, John J. Rizzo, was highly likely to (and, in fact, did) win the general election for district representative. Why is this particular voter-fraud case so important? Because Rizzo defeated his Democratic opponent, Will Royster, by only one vote, 664 to 663.
The plea agreement did not say whom Moretina voted for. But he is Rizzo’s uncle. It is not too much of a stretch, then, to surmise that he gave his nephew the winning margin of victory. Moreover, there were allegations that Moretina’s wife fraudulently voted in the primary, too, although she was not charged.
How does it hurt a certain sector? Please elaborate on this....
 

aggiealum

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397584/which-picture-is-scary-to-you/20#post_3544280
On Monday, John C. Moretina pleaded guilty to a federal felony count of voter fraud. In the August 2010 Democratic primary, Moretina falsely claimed he was living in Missouri’s 40th legislative district just so he could vote in the primary there.
This is a Democratic district so the winner of the primary, John J. Rizzo, was highly likely to (and, in fact, did) win the general election for district representative. Why is this particular voter-fraud case so important? Because Rizzo defeated his Democratic opponent, Will Royster, by only one vote, 664 to 663.
The plea agreement did not say whom Moretina voted for. But he is Rizzo’s uncle. It is not too much of a stretch, then, to surmise that he gave his nephew the winning margin of victory. Moreover, there were allegations that Moretina’s wife fraudulently voted in the primary, too, although she was not charged.
How does it hurt a certain sector? Please elaborate on this....
And this 40th Legislative district has only 1300 or so registered voters? You complain about voter fraud, and in this scenario probably less than 10% of the legal voters even bothered to get out and vote in the election.

So you're saying that they caught this fraudulent voter, charged him for the voter fraud, and they still let the election results stand? How would requiring a valid ID stop this from occurring in the first place? He could've easily gotten an ID using his Uncle's address, and as far as the voters registration was concerned, he WAS a legal voter in that district. As far as his wife, whose to say she didn't use an absentee or mail-in vote to make her vote?

Elderly individuals, low income, and people living in rural communities have a difficult time acquiring a valid ID. Many elderly individuals have no need for an official ID if they are living in assisted living or nursing homes. Low income individuals and people in rural areas have accessibility issues getting to a place where they can obtain an ID. Yea, I've heard the arguments about how can you go to the bank, drive a car, or make other financial decisions with a proper ID. You would be amazed at the number of people who live out in West Texas that deal specifically with cash, drive a car without a drivers license, or have any need to identify themselves to someone because they know every person in their community. We as American citizens have a right to cast our votes unimpeded. Like I said, I went 35 years voting with nothing more than a Voters Registration Card, and no one ever complained or screamed "Voter Fraud!" Even in the 50's, you had people voting doing nothing more than "making their mark". No one questioned those voters. Now all of a sudden, when the Republicans want to take back control of The Senate and the White House there's this rampant voter fraud. Coincidence?
 

darthtang aw

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And this 40th Legislative district has only 1300 or so registered voters?  You complain about voter fraud, and in this scenario probably less than 10% of the legal voters even bothered to get out and vote in the election.
So you're saying that they caught this fraudulent voter, charged him for the voter fraud, and they still let the election results stand?  How would requiring a valid ID stop this from occurring in the first place?  He could've easily gotten an ID using his Uncle's address, and as far as the voters registration was concerned, he WAS a legal voter in that district.  As far as his wife, whose to say she didn't use an absentee or mail-in vote to make her vote?
Elderly individuals, low income, and people living in rural communities have a difficult time acquiring a valid ID.  Many elderly individuals have no need for an official ID if they are living in assisted living or nursing homes.  Low income individuals and people in rural areas have accessibility issues getting to a place where they can obtain an ID.  Yea, I've heard the arguments about how can you go to the bank, drive a car, or make other financial decisions with a proper ID.  You would be amazed at the number of people who live out in West Texas that deal specifically with cash, drive a car without a drivers license, or have any need to identify themselves to someone because they know every person in their community.  We as American citizens have a right to cast our votes unimpeded.  Like I said, I went 35 years voting with nothing more than a Voters Registration Card, and no one ever complained or screamed "Voter Fraud!"  Even in the 50's, you had people voting doing nothing more than "making their mark".  No one questioned those voters.  Now all of a sudden, when the Republicans want to take back control of The Senate and the White House there's this rampant voter fraud.  Coincidence?
Does it matter? because of one fraudulent vote an election was lost. You asked for evidence of it occuring, I provided that.
His ID would have shown he did NOT live in the district. Faking your address on an ID is a illegal. The ID address must be correct.
When you cash a check you are required to show ID. How do people without ID cash checks? You say people operate off cash quite a bit...where is the cash coming from?
 
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