jovial
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Originally Posted by rudedog40
All the facts I'm stating are coming from the same web sites you get your information from. Unfortunately, neither you or I and substantiate either, because most of these sites are either Pro Life or Pro Choice driven, and they can skew the numbers in their favor any way they want.
As far as my wavering as to when an abortion can occur, I agree with how the current abortion laws are defined. If a woman did want to have an abortion after the second trimester, she couldn't find a doctor to legally perform it.
Not true many MDs perform late term abortions. Dr Tiller is one of them.
Why do I say life doesn't truly begin until this time? Let's take this scenario. A loved one of yours is involved in a tragic accident. You get to the hospital, and the doctor tells you that he/she is completely brain dead. Scientifcally, the life the person had as you knew it was gone. With no brain activity, there is no recollection of who they are, what they did, or even how to keep their critical organs from functioning. This individual has no DNR recommendation. They are leaving it up you, the family members, to decide whether to let machines keep the major organs going, or ceasing medical assitance to keep them alive. Do you 'pull the plug', Yes or No?
If you say Yes, then you are essentially doing the same thing as an abortion. You are ceasing the life of an individual who can no longer make the decision to live or die. This brain dead indivual is the same as a fetus that's younger than 10 weeks old.
This is why it's important to establish whether or not someone would want the plug to be pulled before a scenario like this occurs. An unborn baby dosent have any choice in the matter.
To be honest, this discussion is starting to become pointless. No matter what I say to you, or you to me, neither of us is going to change our minds on how we feel about this issue. What it boils down to, is do you let the government tell you what you can or can't do with your own body. Whether it's morally right or not is irrelavent. If you tighten the current laws on abortion, then you might as well do the same with the other laws you stated. If a woman can't have the choice to terminate a pregnancy on her own free will, then the individuals who are harming their bodies with smoking or drinking excessively, and the overeaters who live off of fatty foods from fast food restaurants, can no longer do those as well. You can try justifying the differentiation of abortion to the issues above because you are affecting another life, but bottom line, it's a life whether it's one or two. So close down the tobacco farms, bring back prohibition, and shut down every Wendy's, KFC, and McDonalds. If you allow them to stay operational, but don't allow abortions, then you are just letting another type of murderer go free.
Once again an unborn child has no choice.
All the facts I'm stating are coming from the same web sites you get your information from. Unfortunately, neither you or I and substantiate either, because most of these sites are either Pro Life or Pro Choice driven, and they can skew the numbers in their favor any way they want.
As far as my wavering as to when an abortion can occur, I agree with how the current abortion laws are defined. If a woman did want to have an abortion after the second trimester, she couldn't find a doctor to legally perform it.
Not true many MDs perform late term abortions. Dr Tiller is one of them.
Why do I say life doesn't truly begin until this time? Let's take this scenario. A loved one of yours is involved in a tragic accident. You get to the hospital, and the doctor tells you that he/she is completely brain dead. Scientifcally, the life the person had as you knew it was gone. With no brain activity, there is no recollection of who they are, what they did, or even how to keep their critical organs from functioning. This individual has no DNR recommendation. They are leaving it up you, the family members, to decide whether to let machines keep the major organs going, or ceasing medical assitance to keep them alive. Do you 'pull the plug', Yes or No?
If you say Yes, then you are essentially doing the same thing as an abortion. You are ceasing the life of an individual who can no longer make the decision to live or die. This brain dead indivual is the same as a fetus that's younger than 10 weeks old.
This is why it's important to establish whether or not someone would want the plug to be pulled before a scenario like this occurs. An unborn baby dosent have any choice in the matter.
To be honest, this discussion is starting to become pointless. No matter what I say to you, or you to me, neither of us is going to change our minds on how we feel about this issue. What it boils down to, is do you let the government tell you what you can or can't do with your own body. Whether it's morally right or not is irrelavent. If you tighten the current laws on abortion, then you might as well do the same with the other laws you stated. If a woman can't have the choice to terminate a pregnancy on her own free will, then the individuals who are harming their bodies with smoking or drinking excessively, and the overeaters who live off of fatty foods from fast food restaurants, can no longer do those as well. You can try justifying the differentiation of abortion to the issues above because you are affecting another life, but bottom line, it's a life whether it's one or two. So close down the tobacco farms, bring back prohibition, and shut down every Wendy's, KFC, and McDonalds. If you allow them to stay operational, but don't allow abortions, then you are just letting another type of murderer go free.
Once again an unborn child has no choice.
