William Ayers....

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2797809
So it's OK as long as no one gets killed? No remorse, no apology, the guys hates America, he hates the Constitution and he absolutely hate capitalism.
I don't think its about that so much.... but more about the issues of the time which were the Vietnam War and Civil Rights issues.. actions are directed at gov't not civilians. Not saying its okay... however he served on a board that consisted of both republicans and democrats... and my opinion is he has lead a productive and civil life since... its probably time to forgive and move to what concerns us today

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2797814
I don't think its about that so much.... but more about the issues of the time which were the Vietnam War and Civil Rights issues.. actions are directed at gov't not civilians. Not saying its okay... however he served on a board that consisted of both republicans and democrats... and my opinion is he has lead a productive and civil life since... its probably time to forgive and move to what concerns us today
When the dirt bag apologies and shows some remorse I would agree with you. He has done neither, in fact he stated the opposite, he wishes he had done more.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2797804
as far as people being killed... I believe that bombings that were connected to the group... that no one was killed accept for the three whom were in the group who accidently killed themselves...
I think you may be refering to the individuals or police officers that were killed after the group disbanded and were on the run as a result of a Brinks truck being robbed.
Yep, when they tried to rob the bank was when the killings happened. I was thinking they bombed the bank
The bomb that was meant for the Army base was filled with nails and screws, must have left quite the mess in that apartment

 

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2797805
because these are the people who have shaped Obama's life, given him his values, and supported his political aspirations. In short Obama is an amalgamation of all these people. They represent exactly the opposite of the American dream.
So did your friends tell you how to think? I argue with my friends and family all the time about things like politics, religion, values.....
So did Clinton pardon him?
Hannity & Colmes had something on last night after the debate that was an 'H&C exclusive' about Ayers being regretful of what he did....of course now that I'm looking for it I can't find it anywhere.....
And if he was still a terrorist wouldn't Cheney snap his finger and send him to Cuba? The Patriot Act gives them the power to say that any of us are enemy combatants and we could then be held at gitmo without trial and no rights.....even if you are innocent.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2797879
So did your friends tell you how to think? I argue with my friends and family all the time about things like politics, religion, values.....
So did Clinton pardon him?
Hannity & Colmes had something on last night after the debate that was an 'H&C exclusive' about Ayers being regretful of what he did....of course now that I'm looking for it I can't find it anywhere.....
And if he was still a terrorist wouldn't Cheney snap his finger and send him to Cuba? The Patriot Act gives them the power to say that any of us are enemy combatants and we could then be held at gitmo without trial and no rights.....even if you are innocent.
Clinton didn't pardon him, he never went to jail because of a procedural problem. Clinton did pardon other weather underground people. The reason they say he did plant or plan bombings, was because he admitted to it later on.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by morval
http:///forum/post/2797777
i dont understand why people are trying to tie obama to these events when they happened when he was 7/8 years old?
Osama attacked us on 9-11 7 years ago. Would you be ok with McCain going to his cave and announcing he was running for office?
Ayers, on September 11th, stated he wished his group had done "more"...
While the Weather Underground attacked the US multiple times 40 years ago, Ayers and his wife haven't changed their extremist views. These are the people Obama hangs around.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2797805
because these are the people who have shaped Obama's life, given him his values, and supported his political aspirations. In short Obama is an amalgamation of all these people. They represent exactly the opposite of the American dream.
Shaped his life, given him values?

Obama clearly stated his relationship with Ayers last night. You keep acting like this guy was his mentor. THEY SERVERD ON A BOARD TOGETHER. HE TALKED MAYBE A TOTAL OF 20 HOURS WITH THE GUY. The only controversy you have spinning in your feable mind is Obama hasn't admitted he had this supposed 'campaign dinner' at Ayer's home when he was running for SENATE. WHO CARES! He hasn't talked to Ayers in over 10 years. Ayers has had absolutely nothing to do with his presidential campaign. What is having a brief relationship with someone, indirectly, have to do with the American Dream? It's mindless attitudes like this that will keep McCain out of the White House. McCain himself said he was tired of talking about a 'washed up radical'. He's willing to drop the issue. Why can't you?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2797913
Shaped his life, given him values?

Obama clearly stated his relationship with Ayers last night. You keep acting like this guy was his mentor. THEY SERVERD ON A BOARD TOGETHER. HE TALKED MAYBE A TOTAL OF 20 HOURS WITH THE GUY. The only controversy you have spinning in your feable mind is Obama hasn't admitted he had this supposed 'campaign dinner' at Ayer's home when he was running for SENATE. WHO CARES! He hasn't talked to Ayers in over 10 years. Ayers has had absolutely nothing to do with his presidential campaign. What is having a brief relationship with someone, indirectly, have to do with the American Dream? It's mindless attitudes like this that will keep McCain out of the White House. McCain himself said he was tired of talking about a 'washed up radical'. He's willing to drop the issue. Why can't you?
At least you're finally admitting Obama knows Ayers and that Ayers is a terrorist. That's a start...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2797917
At least you're finally admitting Obama knows Ayers and that Ayers is a terrorist. That's a start...
I never said he didn't know Ayers (But I'm sure you have plenty of time to waste to search through my posts to refute that. Nothing like my taxes going towards your $50/hr. paycheck to do it.) However, his relationship is so meaningless, that it doesn't matter. Sorry, my definition of terrorist is different than yours. I choose to call him an 'extreme radical activist'.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2797913
Shaped his life, given him values?

Obama clearly stated his relationship with Ayers last night. You keep acting like this guy was his mentor. THEY SERVERD ON A BOARD TOGETHER. HE TALKED MAYBE A TOTAL OF 20 HOURS WITH THE GUY. The only controversy you have spinning in your feable mind is Obama hasn't admitted he had this supposed 'campaign dinner' at Ayer's home when he was running for SENATE. WHO CARES! He hasn't talked to Ayers in over 10 years. Ayers has had absolutely nothing to do with his presidential campaign. What is having a brief relationship with someone, indirectly, have to do with the American Dream? It's mindless attitudes like this that will keep McCain out of the White House. McCain himself said he was tired of talking about a 'washed up radical'. He's willing to drop the issue. Why can't you?
Obama is the sum total of Olinsky, Marx, Ayers, Wright, Fleiger,Guavara, etc. Listen to the man talk. He speaks of the gov't "spreading the wealth", fairness ( at least as he sees it), shared prosperity. At least Obama is consistant, he always hangs around with the far left, and that is what bothers me the most. If it were ONLY Ayres, I would not have a problem, but add them all up and you have the most radical socialist lefty progressive since Woodrow Wilson.
Funny he has no Founding Fathers as heroes. I've never heard him speak of Washington, Adams, Franklin, etc.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2797999
I never said he didn't know Ayers (But I'm sure you have plenty of time to waste to search through my posts to refute that. Nothing like my taxes going towards your $50/hr. paycheck to do it.) However, his relationship is so meaningless, that it doesn't matter. Sorry, my definition of terrorist is different than yours. I choose to call him an 'extreme radical activist'.
Call him what you want, it doesn't change what he did or how he thinks

It is 11 pm at night in Bagdad. I hope he isn't still working...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2797999
I never said he didn't know Ayers (But I'm sure you have plenty of time to waste to search through my posts to refute that. Nothing like my taxes going towards your $50/hr. paycheck to do it.) However, his relationship is so meaningless, that it doesn't matter. Sorry, my definition of terrorist is different than yours. I choose to call him an 'extreme radical activist'.
Osama tried to attack the Capital Building when he lso attacked the Pentagon. Ayers succeeded in attacking the Capital building and Pentagon.
Is Osama an "extreme radical activist"?
By the way, we're 8 hours ahead of you over here. You have no idea what my salary is, but rest assured I'm not posting here while I'm at work.
Besides, if Obama gets elected you'll be paying more in taxes. Maybe I'll get a raise

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2798011
Osama tried to attack the Capital Building when he lso attacked the Pentagon. Ayers succeeded in attacking the Capital building and Pentagon.
Is Osama an "extreme radical activist"?
By the way, we're 8 hours ahead of you over here. You have no idea what my salary is, but rest assured I'm not posting here while I'm at work.
Besides, if Obama gets elected you'll be paying more in taxes. Maybe I'll get a raise

If it's like any other over-inflated payment the US Govt. has paid contractors in the past, I imagine your salary far exceeds mine. You don't play around on taxpayers time? Now that's a first.

Considering I make nowhere near $250,000, based on Obama's plan I actually get more back on my Income Tax return than I would on McCain's.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2797999
I never said he didn't know Ayers (But I'm sure you have plenty of time to waste to search through my posts to refute that. Nothing like my taxes going towards your $50/hr. paycheck to do it.) However, his relationship is so meaningless, that it doesn't matter. Sorry, my definition of terrorist is different than yours. I choose to call him an 'extreme radical activist'.
Were the men who flew planes into the WTC 'extreme radical activists" too?
A terroist is a terrorist.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2798044
If it's like any other over-inflated payment the US Govt. has paid contractors in the past, I imagine your salary far exceeds mine. You don't play around on taxpayers time? Now that's a first.

Considering I make nowhere near $250,000, based on Obama's plan I actually get more back on my Income Tax return than I would on McCain's.

If I make just over the magic $250,000 I get hosed by Obama. Rather I should say Mr Obama takes my money to spread the wealth I generate, and I worked for.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2798044
If it's like any other over-inflated payment the US Govt. has paid contractors in the past, I imagine your salary far exceeds mine. You don't play around on taxpayers time? Now that's a first.

Considering I make nowhere near $250,000, based on Obama's plan I actually get more back on my Income Tax return than I would on McCain's.

I'm far too busy to have time to play around on tax payer money.
You don't have any income from Capital Gains?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2797913
Shaped his life, given him values?

Obama clearly stated his relationship with Ayers last night. You keep acting like this guy was his mentor. THEY SERVERD ON A BOARD TOGETHER. HE TALKED MAYBE A TOTAL OF 20 HOURS WITH THE GUY. The only controversy you have spinning in your feable mind is Obama hasn't admitted he had this supposed 'campaign dinner' at Ayer's home when he was running for SENATE. WHO CARES! He hasn't talked to Ayers in over 10 years. Ayers has had absolutely nothing to do with his presidential campaign. What is having a brief relationship with someone, indirectly, have to do with the American Dream? It's mindless attitudes like this that will keep McCain out of the White House. McCain himself said he was tired of talking about a 'washed up radical'. He's willing to drop the issue. Why can't you?
Hmmm. In Obama's book he refers to what he calls his father figure, "Uncle Frank". The man in Question is Frank Marshall Davis, a man who was a member of the Communist party for a time and wrote a poem praising the Red army. You think he influenced Obama's thinking?
Since then Obama hooks up with Rev Wright, his sermons sound like something that would be followed up by the sounds of a shoe pounding on his desk.
Then Obama hooks up with Bill Ayers, A founder of the Weathermen who had the stated goal of creating a Marxist revolution in this country and to this day Ayers refers to himself as a "small C communist".
And those are just the one's we know of. Listen to Obama's wife, "Proud of my country for the first time in my adult life" and "Americans are just plain mean". Sounds like the words of a person who could listen to that clown Wright's sermons for two decades.

 

[oscardeuce]

"Show me your friends, and I'll show you your future."

 

[el guapo]

Did anybody actually read all of the first post ?

Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2797326
I'm NOT concerned with him and Obama or anything like that, but he has been brought up a lot, and honestly I had never heard of him before the political season.

 

[beth]

While Ayes may not be a terrorist on the scale we see in modern times, he certainly did fit the bill and the scale of a terrorist at the time. Certainly setting off bombs is a crime, even if you can't bring yourself to see that setting off bombs to do harm to property and people qualifies as "terror". What other reason would one have for setting off a bomb?
He is a criminal, and its a disgrace that a publicly funded university has him on staff.
As for Obama, I'm not sure if he even knew about Ayes' past. Considering that he seems so oblivious about such things, perhaps he was ignorant of Aye's going-ons as he was with "uncle" Wright, Rezko, and "uncle" Frank. Being oblivious, or being radically leaning toward the far left socialist spectrum are two things that should give everyone pause.