William Ayers....

dogfaceman

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799269
I guess the limp, and the arm range of motion was self inflicted, or just an act?


lol, imagine this flipped around!!! but palin has a kid who has a baby and imagine if this situation was flipped and obamas kid had a baby? do you think the republicans would make a big deal out of it?
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2799779
lol, imagine this flipped around!!! but palin has a kid who has a baby and imagine if this situation was flipped and obamas kid had a baby? do you think the republicans would make a big deal out of it?
Only because his daughters are like ten years old, dude.

...seriously though
I wouldn't, but that's just me.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by dogfaceman
http:///forum/post/2799779
lol, imagine this flipped around!!! but palin has a kid who has a baby and imagine if this situation was flipped and obamas kid had a baby? do you think the republicans would make a big deal out of it?
At their age, pre-teens, yes, It would be an issue.
 

socal57che

Active Member

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2799628
Todd Palin, who is/was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that hates America and wants to succeed and become an independent nation. If anyone wants a curious read look up the name Joe Vogler, who founded AIP and said things such as...Vogler has been quoted as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
This, I did not know and is the most valid point in your drivel. Chuck Baldwin would get my vote if it were not for the fact that I'm voting to keep Obama out of office. Palin is the only
reason I have to vote for McCain. I have a long
laundry list of reasons not to support McCain.
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2799793
This, I did not know and is the most valid point in your drivel. Chuck Baldwin would get my vote if it were not for the fact that I'm voting to keep Obama out of office. Palin is the only
reason I have to vote for McCain. I have a long
laundry list of reasons not to support McCain.
Why? Remember they just joined the USA in 1959. I have no clue how old he is, I'm sure in his 40's. When he was doing this in his early 20's. Alaska had been in the usa for what 20 to 30 years. To join or not join the union was still fresh in peoples minds.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799823
Why? Remember they just joined the USA in 1959. I have no clue how old he is, I'm sure in his 40's. When he was doing this in his early 20's. Alaska had been in the usa for what 20 to 30 years. To join or not join the union was still fresh in peoples minds.
If that's the case, then it's easier to swllow. I have an issue with less than patriotic activism. I have just started to investigate the issue. (just picked up some new hermits, turbos and a small bear conch) I just got a call that they had the pom pom I was asking about the whole time, but nobody knew it was in the back. I'm going back to pick it up right now. I'm going to have to watch him pretty close to see if our CBS is going to be OK with him.
 

reefraff

Active Member

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2799793
This, I did not know and is the most valid point in your drivel. Chuck Baldwin would get my vote if it were not for the fact that I'm voting to keep Obama out of office. Palin is the only
reason I have to vote for McCain. I have a long
laundry list of reasons not to support McCain.
Do your homework on the AIP before accepting a cut and paste from a left wing blog as fact.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2799874
Do your homework on the AIP before accepting a cut and paste from a left wing blog as fact.
This is a great read on the founder of AIP and I am rather sure it's not a cut and paste from a left wing blog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Vogler
Here are a couple of his patriotic quotes:
Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." [3]
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2799858
If that's the case, then it's easier to swllow. I have an issue with less than patriotic activism. I have just started to investigate the issue. (just picked up some new hermits, turbos and a small bear conch) I just got a call that they had the pom pom I was asking about the whole time, but nobody knew it was in the back. I'm going back to pick it up right now. I'm going to have to watch him pretty close to see if our CBS is going to be OK with him.
Texas joined in treaty and there still are a lot of people who think we should succeed. They did a poll in texas a few years ago, and something like 60% of texans Identified themselves as texans and 40% Id-ed themselves as americans first. I can only imagine the frontier state of Alaska and how they feel...
 

reefraff

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Like I said don't believe the crap you read on left wing blogs,
Seems like a pretty good platform to me
http://web.archive.org/web/200801161.../platform.html
Platform and Goal
of the
Alaskan Independence Party
Preamble
We affirm that all political power is inherent in the people; that all government originates with the people, is founded on their will only, is instituted to protect the rights of the individual; that all persons have a natural right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the enjoyment of the rewards of their own industry; that all persons are equal and entitled to equal protection under the law. We stand on a firm constitutional foundation.
Platform
We pledge to exert our best efforts to accomplish the following:
1.To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.
2.To support and defend States' Rights, Individual Rights, and the Equal Footing Doctrine as guaranteed by the constitutions of the United States of America and the state of Alaska.
3.To support the liberalization of initiative and referendum procedures to hold legislatures accountable to the will of the people.
4.To call and convene a State Constitutional Convention to address the flaws in the existing State Consitution.
5.To reinforce the unalienable rights endowed by our Creator to Alaska law, and to eliminate the use of the word privilege in the Alaska statutes.
6.To amend the Constitution of the State of Alaska so as to re-establish the rights of all Alaskan residents to entry upon all public lands within the state, and to acquire private property interest there in, under fair and reasonable conditions. Such property interest shall include surface and sub-surface patent.
7.To foster a constitutional amendment abolishing and prohibiting all property taxes.
8.To institute a majority vote for each elected office at every subdivision of government.
9.To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.
10.To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature.
11.To oppose with rare exception, any secret activities or expenditures of funds of any government agency, state, federal or international.
12.To preserve and protect the Alaska Permanent Fund, Permanent fund earnings, earnings reserve fund and individual Permanent Fund Dividends.
13.To provide for the direct popular election of the attorney general, all judges, and magistrates.
14.To provide for the development of unrestricted, statewide, surface transportation and utility corridors as needed by the public or any individual.
15.To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under R.S. 2477 of July 26, 1866, before its repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.
16.To support the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.
17.To support the complete abolition of the concept of sovereign or governmental immunity, so as to restore accountability for public servants.
18.To support the rights of parents to privately or home school their children and to provide them individually the right to access to a proportional share of all money provided for educational purposes as an unrestricted grant for such purposes.
19.To support the privatization of government services.
20.To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purposes other than for capital improvements.
21.To strengthen the traditional family and support individual accountability without government interference or regulation.
22.To support the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, according to their conscience.
23.To restore the open primary.
24.To support "Jobs for Alaskans...First!"
Confirmed by Statewide Convention
Wasilla Alaska 2006
All other copies are voi
 

reefraff

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Statehood issue
http://web.archive.org/web/200801161...rg/issues.html
Statehood
Please see the goal of the AIP.
Alaska has never been an equal state.
Feds create and enforce laws which are only in effect in Alaska
Many in the AIP support INDEPENDENCE. Some support COMMONWEALTH and others support STATEHOOD.
It is the AIPs wish to get a true plebecite according to international law, only legal Alaskan citizens, it is in the language of the people, federal military and their dependants are not legal citizens and will not be allowed to vote in this plebescite
 

socal57che

Active Member
OK, I'm back...the pom pom is TINY! I'll need watch it to make sure it's not picked on. I'm prepared to take him back if I see aggression toward it.
Anyway, I haven't looked into Mr Palin yet. I spent some time in Hawaii a couple years ago and the sentiment there is about the same. Can't say I blame them for the way they feel. (some, not all by any means)
I have family that grew up in Texas. Yeah, they are Texans first and they don't even live there anymore.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2799960
OK, I'm back...the pom pom is TINY! I'll need watch it to make sure it's not picked on. I'm prepared to take him back if I see aggression toward it.
Anyway, I haven't looked into Mr Palin yet. I spent some time in Hawaii a couple years ago and the sentiment there is about the same. Can't say I blame them for the way they feel. (some, not all by any means)
I have family that grew up in Texas. Yeah, they are Texans first and they don't even live there anymore.
One thing a lot of people in the east are clueless about is federal lands in the western states. That is where a lot of this stems from.
These lands cant be developed and in some cases even utilized. It's a big tax hit and an insult to state residents when you have some dipfit who couldn't find your state on an unlabeled map siting back east deciding how that land can be used.
Notice where all the color is in the map showing the federal lands
I checked and you have to click on the boundaries tab to the right of the blank map and select federal lands to get the right map
http://www.nationalatlas.gov/natlas/Natlasstart.asp
 

hlcroghan

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799430
Maybe I'm missing something, but follow me here, if philandering is a reflection on your character, as you've said, "That is a large part of someone's character." But then you say "I don't think that being unfaithful to your spouse has any thing to do with how well you can run the country..." This leads me to think you're saying that character has nothing to do how well you can run the country.
This doesn't make any sense.

I honestly don't think that your sexual needs or wants or what you do in the bedroom have anything to do with you doing your job. No. It does make sense. I also do not have a problem that McCain is well published as being a cheater and marrying the younger version. I don't think it honestly has anything to do with how well he will do in office. Clinton did fine and he was a cheater. I don't want to be his bosom buddy. But by saying it reflects on his character, shouldn't you be thinking the same thing about your candidate???? Some pot calling the kettle black there?
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2799992
I honestly don't think that your sexual needs or wants or what you do in the bedroom have anything to do with you doing your job. No. It does make sense. I also do not have a problem that McCain is well published as being a cheater and marrying the younger version. I don't think it honestly has anything to do with how well he will do in office. Clinton did fine and he was a cheater. I don't want to be his bosom buddy. But by saying it reflects on his character, shouldn't you be thinking the same thing about your candidate???? Some pot calling the kettle black there?
I consider it.
If a person is not loyal to the one they swore an oath before God to, what keeps them from betraying the people that merely voted for them?
In my book, it goes a long way. I hate the fact that I feel forced to vote for McCain to avoid seeing Obama become president.
reefraff, nice map.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2799992
I honestly don't think that your sexual needs or wants or what you do in the bedroom have anything to do with you doing your job. No. It does make sense. I also do not have a problem that McCain is well published as being a cheater and marrying the younger version. I don't think it honestly has anything to do with how well he will do in office. Clinton did fine and he was a cheater. I don't want to be his bosom buddy. But by saying it reflects on his character, shouldn't you be thinking the same thing about your candidate???? Some pot calling the kettle black there?
First off let me ask where is it published anywhere that McCain cheated on his wife? His ex nor his children have even made the accusation anywhere I can find.
Someone simply cheating on a spouse while in office presents so many different problems it's not even funny. Blackmail anyone? In Bill Clinton''s case he cheated with at least one subordinate employee and then lied in sworn testimony about it so it isn't really a valid comparison.
If John McCain did cheat on his ex back before he ran for office I don't think it should matter anymore than I think Obama using illegal drugs in college should.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2800058
reefraff, nice map.
Scary aint it? I grew up in California and figured BLM lands were everywhere. I lived in northern Idaho for a few months back in 93 and a guy showed me a map. Until then I thought the BLM lands, national forests and wilderness areas were in every state.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2800071
Scary aint it? I grew up in California and figured BLM lands were everywhere. I lived in northern Idaho for a few months back in 93 and a guy showed me a map. Until then I thought the BLM lands, national forests and wilderness areas were in every state.
I had never heard the term BLM until I moved out here.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2799881
This is a great read on the founder of AIP and I am rather sure it's not a cut and paste from a left wing blog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Vogler
Here are a couple of his patriotic quotes:
Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."[
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." [3]
Wow, sounds like Obama's pastor... Todd Palin distanced himself from them how many years ago? Obama hired his pastor...
 
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