theclemsonkid
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/06/21/cigarette.labels/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Ready, set, DISCUSS!!!
Ready, set, DISCUSS!!!
Would you like a fried lung with your cigarette?
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reefraff
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I think it's a example of everything that's wrong with our government. I can tell you right now teenaged boys are going to think those graphics are way cool. I assume the warnings are directed at keeping people from ever starting which is teenagers. But here you have a liberal feel good mandate that doesn't address the problem, it just makes those who created the mandate feel better about being them.
If cigarettes are that bad then just ban them. Ooops! can't do that. Number 1 the government makes too much money off the tobacco taxes and secondly they'd look pretty foolish banning a product that to this day they still subsidize the growing of.
If cigarettes are that bad then just ban them. Ooops! can't do that. Number 1 the government makes too much money off the tobacco taxes and secondly they'd look pretty foolish banning a product that to this day they still subsidize the growing of.
theclemsonkid
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Well I think this sets an interesting precedent. By this logic, alcohol bottles are gonna have to carry a picture of a torched liver; A Big Mac box will show a fatty heart, and so on and so forth. Where do you stop it? And is it really necessary?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392285
Well I think this sets an interesting precedent. By this logic, alcohol bottles are gonna have to carry a picture of a torched liver; A Big Mac box will show a fatty heart, and so on and so forth. Where do you stop it? And is it really necessary?
He he, wait till you see their plan for cup cakes.
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392285
Well I think this sets an interesting precedent. By this logic, alcohol bottles are gonna have to carry a picture of a torched liver; A Big Mac box will show a fatty heart, and so on and so forth. Where do you stop it? And is it really necessary?
He he, wait till you see their plan for cup cakes.
theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392286
He he, wait till you see their plan for cup cakes.
It's not fat, it's cupcake sexy ;-)
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392286
He he, wait till you see their plan for cup cakes.
It's not fat, it's cupcake sexy ;-)
darthtang aw
Active Member
You could show a person a crackhead while putting a pipe to their mouth and they would still try it...why? Because they want to. Every nonsmoker I know has tried it because they wanted to...no amount of warning will prevent this....you couldmake them in the shape of a penis and people, even guys, would smoke.
Darth (waste of tax dollars) tang.
This is just a ploy to increase the cost as it will force companies to spend more money on packaging an add space....thus increasing tax revenue...thus taking more taxes from me. Worry more about the fat lazy kid playing video games please......
Darth (waste of tax dollars) tang.
This is just a ploy to increase the cost as it will force companies to spend more money on packaging an add space....thus increasing tax revenue...thus taking more taxes from me. Worry more about the fat lazy kid playing video games please......
meowzer
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392368
You could show a person a crackhead while putting a pipe to their mouth and they would still try it...why? Because they want to. Every nonsmoker I know has tried it because they wanted to...no amount of warning will prevent this....you couldmake them in the shape of a penis and people, even guys, would smoke.
Darth (waste of tax dollars) tang.
This is just a ploy to increase the cost as it will force companies to spend more money on packaging an add space....thus increasing tax revenue...thus taking more taxes from me. Worry more about the fat lazy kid playing video games please......
HERE YA GO DARTH....Just for you
meow(gonna get banned)zer
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392368
You could show a person a crackhead while putting a pipe to their mouth and they would still try it...why? Because they want to. Every nonsmoker I know has tried it because they wanted to...no amount of warning will prevent this....you couldmake them in the shape of a penis and people, even guys, would smoke.
Darth (waste of tax dollars) tang.
This is just a ploy to increase the cost as it will force companies to spend more money on packaging an add space....thus increasing tax revenue...thus taking more taxes from me. Worry more about the fat lazy kid playing video games please......
HERE YA GO DARTH....Just for you
meow(gonna get banned)zer
darthtang aw
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I own a shirt that says, "I smoke, so% $#! Off".
Darth (old enough to know better, young enough to still do it) tang
Darth (old enough to know better, young enough to still do it) tang
aquaknight
Active Member
To be honest if they really wanted to tug at some heart strings (as well as do as actual good), they should show the litter and disgusting trash 99% percent of those cigarettes will end up as, in the hands of careless smokers. A sea turtle's stomach cut open, filled with cig butts, or something...
scsinet
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392285
Well I think this sets an interesting precedent. By this logic, alcohol bottles are gonna have to carry a picture of a torched liver; A Big Mac box will show a fatty heart, and so on and so forth. Where do you stop it? And is it really necessary?
In a word.. no.
Historically, these sorts of tactics don't work. The government forced fast food restaraunts to post nutritional information in restaraunts. It changed nothing. Sit down restaraunts started posting calorie counts right on it's menu... it changed nothing.
In the end, the problem is that the government doesn't understand that people are already aware of these things. Show me the customer at a fast food joint who is completely clueless that the food is terrible. Show me the smoker who has no idea that smoking is unhealthy.
These people know it's not healthy, and they do it anyway. It's more of the nanny state run amok if you ask me. In a truly small governement world, these people would suffer the consequences of their choices and that's that.
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392285
Well I think this sets an interesting precedent. By this logic, alcohol bottles are gonna have to carry a picture of a torched liver; A Big Mac box will show a fatty heart, and so on and so forth. Where do you stop it? And is it really necessary?
In a word.. no.
Historically, these sorts of tactics don't work. The government forced fast food restaraunts to post nutritional information in restaraunts. It changed nothing. Sit down restaraunts started posting calorie counts right on it's menu... it changed nothing.
In the end, the problem is that the government doesn't understand that people are already aware of these things. Show me the customer at a fast food joint who is completely clueless that the food is terrible. Show me the smoker who has no idea that smoking is unhealthy.
These people know it's not healthy, and they do it anyway. It's more of the nanny state run amok if you ask me. In a truly small governement world, these people would suffer the consequences of their choices and that's that.
flower
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It's America ..land of the free to do what we want...even kill ourselves. Legal or not, people do what they want and hope the bad doesn't happen to them. From getting caught doing what's against the law, to disease and early death.
I think it's fine to educate the people and let them make their choices. In the end the only people you can control the life of...would be yourself and maybe if you have a supportive spouse...your little children. If you teach the little ones, they will hold to what you teach them, but ONLY if you do what you say, they copy everything. It's too late to try and convince a teenager, they grow up to be the adults that do whatever they feel like.
So if you love your children, change your own bad habbits, and control your urges to self distruct. They need to start educating the little ones on what bad life habbits lead to, while they watch Barney or Sesame street...
Plenty of folks stop smoking after their first heart attack (I did) Plenty of folks start that good diet of eating the right foods when they realize they are 40 and overweight (I did). Plenty of folks try telling their grown children how to raise the grandkids, don't smoke around them and feed them right, so they have a better chance at a healthier life (I did).....The people in control of the media trying to convince people to change, are the folks who already made thier bad choices and are trying to fix it now.
We are targeting the wrong age group. Nobody wants to scare the little ones, but they are the only ones you can work with to make real change.
I think it's fine to educate the people and let them make their choices. In the end the only people you can control the life of...would be yourself and maybe if you have a supportive spouse...your little children. If you teach the little ones, they will hold to what you teach them, but ONLY if you do what you say, they copy everything. It's too late to try and convince a teenager, they grow up to be the adults that do whatever they feel like.
So if you love your children, change your own bad habbits, and control your urges to self distruct. They need to start educating the little ones on what bad life habbits lead to, while they watch Barney or Sesame street...
Plenty of folks stop smoking after their first heart attack (I did) Plenty of folks start that good diet of eating the right foods when they realize they are 40 and overweight (I did). Plenty of folks try telling their grown children how to raise the grandkids, don't smoke around them and feed them right, so they have a better chance at a healthier life (I did).....The people in control of the media trying to convince people to change, are the folks who already made thier bad choices and are trying to fix it now.
We are targeting the wrong age group. Nobody wants to scare the little ones, but they are the only ones you can work with to make real change.
mantisman51
Active Member
I smoked for years and I thought about the damage being done to my lungs every time I lit up. It made me pause on occasion, but never made quit. I finally quit because I got tired of the hacking
cough I woke with every morning. Those pictures would have done nothing to dissuade me. I think it is misguided. I think people should be able to smoke if they want. But I also think it would be great if everyone quit smoking.
cough I woke with every morning. Those pictures would have done nothing to dissuade me. I think it is misguided. I think people should be able to smoke if they want. But I also think it would be great if everyone quit smoking.
meowzer
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392533
I smoked for years and I thought about the damage being done to my lungs every time I lit up. It made me pause on occasion, but never made quit. I finally quit because I got tired of the hacking
cough I woke with every morning. Those pictures would have done nothing to dissuade me. I think it is misguided. I think people should be able to smoke if they want. But I also think it would be great if everyone quit smoking.
I agree 100%....How many videos, posters etc I saw growing up.....I started smoking when I was still in grade school....maybe 7 years old
My mother died of cancer when she was only 59, and I was 32....I still did not quit....FINALLY 6 years ago this past April....my husband and I both decided it was time...we did it together, and have never gone back YAYYYY
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392533
I smoked for years and I thought about the damage being done to my lungs every time I lit up. It made me pause on occasion, but never made quit. I finally quit because I got tired of the hacking
cough I woke with every morning. Those pictures would have done nothing to dissuade me. I think it is misguided. I think people should be able to smoke if they want. But I also think it would be great if everyone quit smoking.
I agree 100%....How many videos, posters etc I saw growing up.....I started smoking when I was still in grade school....maybe 7 years old
My mother died of cancer when she was only 59, and I was 32....I still did not quit....FINALLY 6 years ago this past April....my husband and I both decided it was time...we did it together, and have never gone back YAYYYY
reefraff
Active Member
Some people don't care about their destructive behavior. My brother went in (actually got dragged in by our other brother) to get checked and they found his blood pressure was 221 over something in the high 100's. The doc tells my brother to lose weight, quit smoking and drinking or he'd be dead in 6 months. Doc lied, he was dead in 2. On the way out of the docs office the idiot bit... "woman" my brother had married was ranting she wasn't quiting nothin. So much for the supportive spouse. Anyway while going though the brothers paperwork the older brother came across his credit card statement. He even called the clinic to confirm this. After being told what the drinking was doing to him my brother's first stop after leaving the clinic was the liquor store, who by the way sent us a sympathy card LOL!
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392539
Some people don't care about their destructive behavior. My brother went in (actually got dragged in by our other brother) to get checked and they found his blood pressure was 221 over something in the high 100's. The doc tells my brother to lose weight, quit smoking and drinking or he'd be dead in 6 months. Doc lied, he was dead in 2. On the way out of the docs office the idiot bit... "woman" my brother had married was ranting she wasn't quiting nothin. So much for the supportive spouse. Anyway while going though the brothers paperwork the older brother came across his credit card statement. He even called the clinic to confirm this. After being told what the drinking was doing to him my brother's first stop after leaving the clinic was the liquor store, who by the way sent us a sympathy card LOL!
Damn!
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386303/would-you-like-a-fried-lung-with-your-cigarette#post_3392539
Some people don't care about their destructive behavior. My brother went in (actually got dragged in by our other brother) to get checked and they found his blood pressure was 221 over something in the high 100's. The doc tells my brother to lose weight, quit smoking and drinking or he'd be dead in 6 months. Doc lied, he was dead in 2. On the way out of the docs office the idiot bit... "woman" my brother had married was ranting she wasn't quiting nothin. So much for the supportive spouse. Anyway while going though the brothers paperwork the older brother came across his credit card statement. He even called the clinic to confirm this. After being told what the drinking was doing to him my brother's first stop after leaving the clinic was the liquor store, who by the way sent us a sympathy card LOL!
Damn!
reefraff
Active Member
He had a good teacher. The old man was told in 1975 his liver was damaged. They said if he would quit drinking they could arrest the disease and gave him something like 18 months to 5 years. It took him 20 years to guzzle himself to death 95. Brother did it in 2 months. The old man must have been a superior physical specimen or had a second liver somewhere the docs didn't know about.