lovethesea
Active Member
with one dying in the womb, it could have posed a threat to the life of the other, not the mention the mother. This is also another sad case of the wrong person having children.
My brother just lost one of his 3 week old premature twins 2 days ago. My sister in law never even flinched when they told her the babies were in trouble and she needed a C-section. She would have done anything to save them. Fortunatly the one twin is holding her own. Plus, she wasn't cut from the top of her body to the body as this woman claimed she would be.
This will be interesting to see how it ends up.
My brother just lost one of his 3 week old premature twins 2 days ago. My sister in law never even flinched when they told her the babies were in trouble and she needed a C-section. She would have done anything to save them. Fortunatly the one twin is holding her own. Plus, she wasn't cut from the top of her body to the body as this woman claimed she would be.
This will be interesting to see how it ends up.
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daniel411
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Originally posted by Bang Guy
Odd. It's OK to kill the baby with a partial birth abortion, but it's not OK to let nature take its course.
I'm not saying she did the right thing but I see a discrepancy with the law.
Exactly Guy!
As for how this ends up. Other similar cases have occured that would force the supreme court to step in and issue a new ruling. All have had shocking amounts of resources thrown at them to prevent them from reaching
Lets not start an abortion debate though. Just allow this as a news flash for people.
sammystingray
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I seriously hope she is found INNOCENT. She may suck as a human in some peoples minds, but as Bang said, she let nature take it's course. It doesn't matter to me if it was vanity or not, if she did not want to cut up her own body, then she shouldn't have to. Why didn't they just induce the labor earlier? I don't know all the specifics. Why was a C-section needed, but two days later it wasn't?? I missed something, anyone get me up to speed about that?? Couldn't they just induce a labor instead of cutting it out??
lovethesea
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They told her around Xmas that the baby was in trouble.
After she delivered in January, they discovered that the baby had died 2 days before she delivered. I don't think we have the whole story.....
After she delivered in January, they discovered that the baby had died 2 days before she delivered. I don't think we have the whole story.....
bang guy
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Melody, sorry for your loss
I will never be able to understand how you feel but I do understand your loss if that makes any sense.
Just looking at the legal part of it though makes no sense. Our government should NOT be dictating morals. I do not understand how abortion can be OK and yet inappropriate prenatal care (IMO) can be a crime. It just makes no sense at all.
I will never be able to understand how you feel but I do understand your loss if that makes any sense.
Just looking at the legal part of it though makes no sense. Our government should NOT be dictating morals. I do not understand how abortion can be OK and yet inappropriate prenatal care (IMO) can be a crime. It just makes no sense at all.
lovethesea
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Sorry for your loss Melody, I suffered 2 myself, now have 2 healthy children. Like I said, there is more to the story.
Today my sister in law buried her 3 week old child, when the Dr's told her the pregnancy was in trouble, she never batted an eye. She would have given up an organ if she had to. I know personally what mental illness can do to a person, this woman has 3 children now that someone else has to care for becasue of it. Like I said, another sad case of the wrong people having children.
Today my sister in law buried her 3 week old child, when the Dr's told her the pregnancy was in trouble, she never batted an eye. She would have given up an organ if she had to. I know personally what mental illness can do to a person, this woman has 3 children now that someone else has to care for becasue of it. Like I said, another sad case of the wrong people having children.
wrassecal
Active Member
Originally posted by Bang Guy
Odd. It's OK to kill the baby with a partial birth abortion, but it's not OK to let nature take its course.
I'm not saying she did the right thing but I see a discrepancy with the law.
Partial birth abortion is now illegal.
Melody, we've already talked privately about your problems. I hope you are doing better and things are looking up. As you know I had the same thing happen to me. Love ya, Debi
lovethesea - sometimes it's just impossible to know why these things happen. I'm so sorry and I know the grief must be overwhelming.
wrassecal
Active Member
Originally posted by sammystingray
I seriously hope she is found INNOCENT. She may suck as a human in some peoples minds, but as Bang said, she let nature take it's course. ... Couldn't they just induce a labor instead of cutting it out??
Spoken like a true man who will never have a living human being sheltered within his body. IMO there are 3 people involved in pregnancy, the mother, the father and the child once it is viable that it can live outside the womb. This woman is a nutcase who killed a human being and I seriously hope she is found GUILTY......but, misguided as you are I love you anyway.
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sinner's girl
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It's very troubling to have somebody come in and say we're going to charge this mother for murder because we don't like the choices she made
This is what I have a problem with. b/c someone didn't like her choices? I think it's unfair to put your personal beauty over the life of your baby, BUT there is still the chance the baby could have die had C-section been done. The baby had at least two week longer in the womb, I don't remember bio, so I don't know if it would have been premature 2 two early.
Problem. Many years ago, we didn't have doctors who could tell these things, nature just took its course. So why is the woman in trouble? The mother let nature take its course. Though that's not her reason for not following doc's warnning.
Yes, let's put a new mother in jail, that'll do wonders for the baby who lived.
just read the second artical. drugs and alcohol...
Are drugs and alcohol the reason the child was still born? I mean is that why the mother couldn't carry both to term and needed c-section? If not, meaning if the twin would have still die had the mother not did drugs and drank alcohol, then I don't understand the charges. Though on the other hand, I could image letting child die inside of me and not trying to save it....but here's a question, was there a risk to the twin if they were born premature? How long was she pregnate? In some cases, I know two weeks can make a big difference.
Plus if she's mentaly ill, then is she responsable? Why didn't the doctor or someone get a court order saying she was incomptant to make the right choice?
This is what I have a problem with. b/c someone didn't like her choices? I think it's unfair to put your personal beauty over the life of your baby, BUT there is still the chance the baby could have die had C-section been done. The baby had at least two week longer in the womb, I don't remember bio, so I don't know if it would have been premature 2 two early.
Problem. Many years ago, we didn't have doctors who could tell these things, nature just took its course. So why is the woman in trouble? The mother let nature take its course. Though that's not her reason for not following doc's warnning.
Yes, let's put a new mother in jail, that'll do wonders for the baby who lived.
just read the second artical. drugs and alcohol...
Are drugs and alcohol the reason the child was still born? I mean is that why the mother couldn't carry both to term and needed c-section? If not, meaning if the twin would have still die had the mother not did drugs and drank alcohol, then I don't understand the charges. Though on the other hand, I could image letting child die inside of me and not trying to save it....but here's a question, was there a risk to the twin if they were born premature? How long was she pregnate? In some cases, I know two weeks can make a big difference.
Plus if she's mentaly ill, then is she responsable? Why didn't the doctor or someone get a court order saying she was incomptant to make the right choice?
sammystingray
Active Member
Wrassecal, never once did I say I would do what she did, but I believe she should have the choice whether or not the cut her open and rip the baby out leaving her with a permanent scar. Doesn't a C-section mean that every birth after MUST also be a C-section? I could be wrong about that, but I thought I heard that. Her comments to the hospital staff tell us all she is an idiot, but cases like this effect future cases in a major way.
I NEVER said I would make the same choices she did.....I just don't think a C-section should be forced, or that she should be sitting on death row with people who are true murderers.......atleast IMO.
Next thing you know, if a birth goes wrong, the mom and dad will be in prison for not taking birthing classes. Maybe the mom didn't eat enough of the right foods......she is a cold blooded killer?????? Maybe the mom allowed people to smoke around her, maybe the mom walked on the ice and KNEW it was slippery......Fry her???? It was her choice to walk on the ice, and she knew she could fall and hurt her unborn child.....should she be on death row as well? Extreme cases? yes, but I call this way too extreme as well.
I NEVER said I would make the same choices she did.....I just don't think a C-section should be forced, or that she should be sitting on death row with people who are true murderers.......atleast IMO.
Next thing you know, if a birth goes wrong, the mom and dad will be in prison for not taking birthing classes. Maybe the mom didn't eat enough of the right foods......she is a cold blooded killer?????? Maybe the mom allowed people to smoke around her, maybe the mom walked on the ice and KNEW it was slippery......Fry her???? It was her choice to walk on the ice, and she knew she could fall and hurt her unborn child.....should she be on death row as well? Extreme cases? yes, but I call this way too extreme as well.
lovethesea
Active Member
no C section does not always mean another. VBAC is very common. Inducement was probably not an option due to the state the baby was alreay in. A long labor and delivery could have placed the baby in more danger..this was why my sister in law went from her Drs office and 2 1/2 hours later having a c-section at 27 weeks gestation. My gut reaction to this is that she has 2 other children that she has placed their responsiblility upon other family members, it may come out that she didn't want these children in the first place
wrassecal
Active Member
Originally posted by Bang Guy
I thought that was just Virginia and that it was still being appealed.
President Bush Signs Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003
The Ronald Reagan Building
Washington, D.C.
1:40 P.M. EST
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Good afternoon. I'm pleased that all of you have joined us as the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 becomes the law of the land
I'm sure it's being appealed every way possible.
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daniel411
Guest
Apparently I am behind the times too, wow, thats awesome to hear that its illegal now. I seen a video clip of one once, and it still haunts me.
tony detroit
Active Member
By no means am I for abortion, but in a so-called "free" country the choice should be yours. The choice to have a natural birth should also be yours in a "free" country. One more example of your freedoms being erroded by our pathetic government.
mouse03245
Member
Not to be rude...but when I saw the news...her reasoning for not doing it was cuz the scar was ugly and she would be scared for life! To me thats is totally UNEXCEPTABLE! I believe she should have the other child taken away if thats the real reason for her not doing it! And i am sorry if i offend anyone!