You know what Organic Veggies or Fruit really means?
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3203562
Grown in POOP.
People all over the world have been using manure to fertilize their crops for thousands of years...
http:///forum/post/3203562
Grown in POOP.
People all over the world have been using manure to fertilize their crops for thousands of years...
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3203581
People all over the world have been using manure to fertilize their crops for thousands of years...
People have also owned slaves for thousands of years...
Doesn't change the fact that it is gross.
http:///forum/post/3203581
People all over the world have been using manure to fertilize their crops for thousands of years...
People have also owned slaves for thousands of years...
Doesn't change the fact that it is gross.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Kraylen
http:///forum/post/3203629
Wow, you people obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Sounds like some good old fashion haterade consumption to me.
What exactly has been said that is wrong....please...enlighten us....between games of pacman of course.
http:///forum/post/3203629
Wow, you people obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Sounds like some good old fashion haterade consumption to me.
What exactly has been said that is wrong....please...enlighten us....between games of pacman of course.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3203623
People have also owned slaves for thousands of years...
Doesn't change the fact that it is gross.
Oh yeah, I'd much rather have my food grown in some man made chemical soup than natural cow manure, which is like 90% grass anyway. We do a veggie garden every year and use manure for fertilizer and get better tasting produce than anything you can get at the supermarket from a commercial farm.
Just an FYI - I am not one of the nuts that insist that everything be organic either. I eat non organic veggies, meat and dairy all the time.
http:///forum/post/3203623
People have also owned slaves for thousands of years...
Doesn't change the fact that it is gross.
Oh yeah, I'd much rather have my food grown in some man made chemical soup than natural cow manure, which is like 90% grass anyway. We do a veggie garden every year and use manure for fertilizer and get better tasting produce than anything you can get at the supermarket from a commercial farm.
Just an FYI - I am not one of the nuts that insist that everything be organic either. I eat non organic veggies, meat and dairy all the time.
jackri
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I'm not disputing manure as a great fertilizer. I also agree home grown tastes better in most cases. But without crop engineering and the science that goes behind big farms we would not be able to feed the world.
100 years ago the average amount of grains on a head of wheat was 7.
100 years ago the average amount of grains on a head of wheat was 7.
Originally Posted by jackri
http:///forum/post/3203644
I'm not disputing manure as a great fertilizer. I also agree home grown tastes better in most cases. But without crop engineering and the science that goes behind big farms we would not be able to feed the world.
100 years ago the average amount of grains on a head of wheat was 7.
I agree that crop engineering is a good thing. I just think its silly to say that using "poop" as a fertilizer, which has been used up until the last 50 years or so is a bad thing. Its not like they're using human waste or anything, they are using manure from grass eating animals, which is mostly still grass
http:///forum/post/3203644
I'm not disputing manure as a great fertilizer. I also agree home grown tastes better in most cases. But without crop engineering and the science that goes behind big farms we would not be able to feed the world.
100 years ago the average amount of grains on a head of wheat was 7.
I agree that crop engineering is a good thing. I just think its silly to say that using "poop" as a fertilizer, which has been used up until the last 50 years or so is a bad thing. Its not like they're using human waste or anything, they are using manure from grass eating animals, which is mostly still grass
fishtaco
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Organic is the most efficient way to grow vegies, that does not mean only using poop to fertilize, but also not using pesticides or herbicides. I grow a large amount of my own food and my garden is healthy and mostly bug free despite only using a couple yards of stall muck every year to enrich it and no herbides or pesticides.
As to why organic vegies are more expensive I have no idea, except that people are willing to pay more for what they think is better for them. If done correctly they should be far cheaper to produce.
So excited for next summer because my small community is going to start a farmers market and I will be able to sell some of my excess produce and maybe do a little bartering also
I would not waste money and don't, buying anything marked organic from a chain retailer when I do need to buy produce.
Fishtaco
As to why organic vegies are more expensive I have no idea, except that people are willing to pay more for what they think is better for them. If done correctly they should be far cheaper to produce.
So excited for next summer because my small community is going to start a farmers market and I will be able to sell some of my excess produce and maybe do a little bartering also
I would not waste money and don't, buying anything marked organic from a chain retailer when I do need to buy produce.
Fishtaco
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3203654
Organic is the most efficient way to grow vegies,
If it is so efficient, why did farmers move away from doing it?
http:///forum/post/3203654
Organic is the most efficient way to grow vegies,
If it is so efficient, why did farmers move away from doing it?
jackri
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Chicken poo makes a great fertilizer too.
Commerical organics are more expensive as they don't get the yield as regular commercial foods (which are in no way un-healthy for us). They lose yields to weeds, bugs, fungus, rot, etc. It's a marketed ploy to jack up prices for the most part.
I have nothing against home gardens -- but then we always used to sprinkle powder on our cabbage to protect from moths/butterflies and we had a problem with potato bugs, smut in corn so technically we weren't organic either.
Commerical organics are more expensive as they don't get the yield as regular commercial foods (which are in no way un-healthy for us). They lose yields to weeds, bugs, fungus, rot, etc. It's a marketed ploy to jack up prices for the most part.
I have nothing against home gardens -- but then we always used to sprinkle powder on our cabbage to protect from moths/butterflies and we had a problem with potato bugs, smut in corn so technically we weren't organic either.
fishtaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3203658
If it is so efficient, why did farmers move away from doing it?
A couple of reasons, one is that American's only will eat "perfect" produce and the other reason was lack of knowledge about the harm large amounts of chemicals do in the long run. Many farmers around here are drastically cutting back on the amount of chemical fertilizers and pesticides they use.
Using chemicals might be good in the short term and produce larger yields, but long term it is not sustainable.
I have been doing the organic thing for a long time and what I always find is nature will balance itself out where gardening is concerned.
http:///forum/post/3203658
If it is so efficient, why did farmers move away from doing it?
A couple of reasons, one is that American's only will eat "perfect" produce and the other reason was lack of knowledge about the harm large amounts of chemicals do in the long run. Many farmers around here are drastically cutting back on the amount of chemical fertilizers and pesticides they use.
Using chemicals might be good in the short term and produce larger yields, but long term it is not sustainable.
I have been doing the organic thing for a long time and what I always find is nature will balance itself out where gardening is concerned.
fishtaco
Active Member
Originally Posted by jackri
http:///forum/post/3203666
Chicken poo makes a great fertilizer too.
Commerical organics are more expensive as they don't get the yield as regular commercial foods (which are in no way un-healthy for us). They lose yields to weeds, bugs, fungus, rot, etc. It's a marketed ploy to jack up prices for the most part.
I have nothing against home gardens -- but then we always used to sprinkle powder on our cabbage to protect from moths/butterflies and we had a problem with potato bugs, smut in corn so technically we weren't organic either.
A good organic farm should not have any less yield than the commercial ones if done correctly.
Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3203666
Chicken poo makes a great fertilizer too.
Commerical organics are more expensive as they don't get the yield as regular commercial foods (which are in no way un-healthy for us). They lose yields to weeds, bugs, fungus, rot, etc. It's a marketed ploy to jack up prices for the most part.
I have nothing against home gardens -- but then we always used to sprinkle powder on our cabbage to protect from moths/butterflies and we had a problem with potato bugs, smut in corn so technically we weren't organic either.
A good organic farm should not have any less yield than the commercial ones if done correctly.
Fishtaco
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3203669
A couple of reasons, one is that American's only will eat "perfect" produce and the other reason was lack of knowledge about the harm large amounts of chemicals do in the long run. Many farmers around here are drastically cutting back on the amount of chemical fertilizers and pesticides they use.
Using chemicals might be good in the short term and produce larger yields, but long term it is not sustainable.
I have been doing the organic thing for a long time and what I always find is nature will balance itself out where gardening is concerned.
How do you keep crop killing bugs away?
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A couple of reasons, one is that American's only will eat "perfect" produce and the other reason was lack of knowledge about the harm large amounts of chemicals do in the long run. Many farmers around here are drastically cutting back on the amount of chemical fertilizers and pesticides they use.
Using chemicals might be good in the short term and produce larger yields, but long term it is not sustainable.
I have been doing the organic thing for a long time and what I always find is nature will balance itself out where gardening is concerned.
How do you keep crop killing bugs away?
fishtaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3203684
How do you keep crop killing bugs away?
Darth are you messing with me here or is this information you really don't have?
Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3203684
How do you keep crop killing bugs away?
Darth are you messing with me here or is this information you really don't have?
Fishtaco
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3203688
Darth are you messing with me here or is this information you really don't have?
Fishtaco
I am serious, because in my experience every "organic" bug killer or preventer for gardens does do what they are suppossed to do...
Basically I am trying to see how organic food is more efficient to grow than regular...Because I don't see it, maybe AS efficient...but not more efficient.
http:///forum/post/3203688
Darth are you messing with me here or is this information you really don't have?
Fishtaco
I am serious, because in my experience every "organic" bug killer or preventer for gardens does do what they are suppossed to do...
Basically I am trying to see how organic food is more efficient to grow than regular...Because I don't see it, maybe AS efficient...but not more efficient.
veni vidi vici
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Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3203635
Oh yeah, I'd much rather have my food grown in some man made chemical soup than natural cow manure, which is like 90% grass anyway.
Just wanna let you all know whey dont just use cow manure.The sludge/raw sewage drying beds at your local sewage treatment plants goes somewhere too.I pretty sure ive seen them loading it into farm equipment once or twice.
http:///forum/post/3203635
Oh yeah, I'd much rather have my food grown in some man made chemical soup than natural cow manure, which is like 90% grass anyway.
Just wanna let you all know whey dont just use cow manure.The sludge/raw sewage drying beds at your local sewage treatment plants goes somewhere too.I pretty sure ive seen them loading it into farm equipment once or twice.
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3203697
Just wanna let you all know whey dont just use cow manure.The sludge/raw sewage drying beds at your local sewage treatment plants goes somewhere too.I pretty sure ive seen them loading it into farm equipment once or twice.
The EPA appears to endorse the use of human waste as fertilizer although a farm can not be considered organic if its used.
http://www.epa.gov/osw/hazard/recycl...z/fertiliz.pdf
http:///forum/post/3203697
Just wanna let you all know whey dont just use cow manure.The sludge/raw sewage drying beds at your local sewage treatment plants goes somewhere too.I pretty sure ive seen them loading it into farm equipment once or twice.
The EPA appears to endorse the use of human waste as fertilizer although a farm can not be considered organic if its used.
http://www.epa.gov/osw/hazard/recycl...z/fertiliz.pdf