You know what Organic Veggies or Fruit really means?

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tizzo

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Originally Posted by JTT
http:///forum/post/3204007
All I know is that if you did a blind taste test and gave me a carrot that is "organic", never used any pesticides, preservatives or engineering techniques to improve it and then you give me a mass produced man made carrot sprayed with preservatives and pesticides that sells for .40 cents per pound, I couldnt tell the difference.

Carrot? I don't think I've ever seen a carrot that is NOT organic, but..
You blindfold me and give me a banana, broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, or tomato, and I could tell a difference a mile away. You can even SEE the difference in a banana, an organic one, like the ones from when I was a kid, starts green, turns yellow, starts to brown, gets real brown then rots. A non organic is green, gets yellowish but still tastes green, then gets black dots all over it and it's bad. Seems there's never a perfect time to eat a non organic banana, not to mention make banana bread.
I would never be able to tell the diff with apples, oranges, peaches, cherries, or even grapes, and I've tried.
I watched on a show, about batteries and recycling them, that the blue colored nitrogen (?) fertilizer is made from the acid out of recycled batteries.
Give me a choice between that and cow poop and I'm all naturalle!! I'll try to find a link.
 
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tizzo

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LEAD ACID BATTERY RECYCLING OPTIONS
The washed and dried polypropylene pieces are sent to a plastic recycler, where the chips are melted and extruded to produce plastic pellets for use in the manufacture of battery cases.
Although certain processes will combine the waste lead streams, the most efficient plants feed the paste to the smelting furnace to recover soft lead and the grids and terminals are sent to a melting furnace for the production of hard lead. Lead bullion from both sources will be refined, cast into ingots and sold to the battery manufacturer. The soft lead is suitable for battery paste and the hard lead bullion ideal for grids and terminals.
Polyethylene separators can be separated from the polypropylene waste stream and recycled, although in most secondary plants the current practice is to use this waste as a fuel supplement.
Used battery acid can be handled in four ways: Neutralized, and the resulting effluent treated to meet clean water standards and then released into the public sewer system.
Reclaimed and after topping up with concentrated acid then used as the electrolyte in new batteries
Chemically treated and converted to either agricultural fertilizer using ammonia or to powered sodium sulfate for use in either glass and textile manufacturing or as a filler or stabilizer in household laundry detergent.
Converted to gypsum for use in the production of cement or by the construction industry in the manufacture of fiber board.
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And this is from a sight promoting battery recycling...
http://www.lead-battery-recycling.co...recycling.html
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Or page 2 of says...
The sulfuric acid can be recycled and used in new batteries; it can be neutralized, purified, and tested before being released as clean water; or it can be converted to sodium sulfate, a product used in fertilizer, dyes, and other products.

http://www.co.clark.wa.us/recycle/do...ERY%20FILE.pdf
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/3204172
Carrot? I don't think I've ever seen a carrot that is NOT organic, but..
You blindfold me and give me a banana, broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, or tomato, and I could tell a difference a mile away. You can even SEE the difference in a banana, an organic one, like the ones from when I was a kid, starts green, turns yellow, starts to brown, gets real brown then rots. A non organic is green, gets yellowish but still tastes green, then gets black dots all over it and it's bad. Seems there's never a perfect time to eat a non organic banana, not to mention make banana bread.
I would never be able to tell the diff with apples, oranges, peaches, cherries, or even grapes, and I've tried.
I watched on a show, about batteries and recycling them, that the blue colored nitrogen (?) fertilizer is made from the acid out of recycled batteries.
Give me a choice between that and cow poop and I'm all naturalle!! I'll try to find a link.
I don't know if it is organic or not, but I can tell the difference easily between the oranges, lemons and limes I grow and what is available commercially.
Fishtaco
 
nina&noah

nina&noah

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I buy organic berries the majority of the time and buy other organic produce depending on the price. I buy them because 1. I think they taste better and 2. because I don't want to consume the chemicals and waxes that are put on our food. Also, I don't know if it is true or not, but I've read that organic produce actually contain more nutrients. My dad works for a pesticide/herbicide company, so it is pretty ironic that I'm into organic produce.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3203658
If it is so efficient, why did farmers move away from doing it?
It's not efficient long term. It's short term productive. There's a monumental difference between the two.
 
uneverno

uneverno

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Originally Posted by JTT
http:///forum/post/3204007
All I know is that if you did a blind taste test and gave me a carrot that is "organic", never used any pesticides, preservatives or engineering techniques to improve it and then you give me a mass produced man made carrot sprayed with preservatives and pesticides that sells for .40 cents per pound, I couldnt tell the difference.
Perhaps.
Perhaps there are also links to cancer that your tastebuds are unable to discern.
 
uneverno

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Oh, and stdreb27 - grown in poop is simply the nitrogen cycle. Free nitrogen is necessary for agriculture.
No poop = no food. Either for you or for the (largely) vegetarian animals you eat.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3204471
Oh, and stdreb27 - grown in poop is simply the nitrogen cycle. Free nitrogen is necessary for agriculture.
No poop = no food. Either for you or for the (largely) vegetarian animals you eat.
What brought this up, I was in houston, an area full of these hipsters, and someone was talking about how great organic food was, (one of these people who don't even know that beef is from cows) he was droning on and on, spurting complete nonsense about how he was a vegitarian, how gross eating meat was, so I asked him you know how they fertilize organic veggies right? Cow poop. And the moron didn't believe me.

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3204249
I don't know if it is organic or not, but I can tell the difference easily between the oranges, lemons and limes I grow and what is available commercially.
Fishtaco
OF course there is a difference between fresh picked ripe off the vine, tree, and store bought produce.
Originally Posted by nina&noah
http:///forum/post/3204299
Also, I don't know if it is true or not, but I've read that organic produce actually contain more nutrients. &
I don't buy that, they actually have to pick organic fruit earlier because of shelf life issues.
I read a study from a prof at A&M where they tested the nutritional values of a tomato that was grown organically vs the standard way, and the standard grown tomato had more nutrients than the organic tomato, almost across the board with what they were measuring.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Kraylen
http:///forum/post/3204139
*facepalm*
Kids need to take their adderal.

Were you going for this effect?

Try harder.....
Adderal? Do you have an organic substitute? I seem to have run out.
Originally Posted by Kraylen
http:///forum/post/3204143
Montecito, GMO and wind for the most part.
Seriously? how can a city make farmers want to switch to chemical farming if organic is more efficient?
I have done my research on this, the only way Organic farming is more efficient than "chemical" is in the energy department. Organic farming is more "energy" (meaning greenhouse gases/ pollution) efficent than standard farming. Standard farming yields larger and more food in a quicker amount of time.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3204571
I have done my research on this, the only way Organic farming is more efficient than "chemical" is in the energy department. Organic farming is more "energy" (meaning greenhouse gases/ pollution) than standard farming. Standard farming yields larger and more food in a quicker amount of time.
I don't buy this either, think of all the methane that is released into the air by the rotting poop...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3204588
I don't buy this either, think of all the methane that is released into the air by the rotting poop...
True, but factor in the pollution from the large tractors and the pollution created when making the sprays and chemicals. I can see how it would be...remember, most "organic" farms are done by hand. You don't have huge tractors and such. The Organic produce is more expensive for two reasons...people will pay more, and the labor cost is high.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3204599
True, but factor in the pollution from the large tractors and the pollution created when making the sprays and chemicals. I can see how it would be...remember, most "organic" farms are done by hand. You don't have huge tractors and such. The Organic produce is more expensive for two reasons...people will pay more, and the labor cost is high.
If anything all that CO2 being spewed out aught to help...
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3204599
True, but factor in the pollution from the large tractors and the pollution created when making the sprays and chemicals. I can see how it would be...remember, most "organic" farms are done by hand. You don't have huge tractors and such. The Organic produce is more expensive for two reasons...people will pay more, and the labor cost is high.
Darth have you priced a tractor lately or any farm equipment? I have enjoyed reading city folk posting expert opinions about farming though and bringing the global warming stuff into it.
Long term non-organic farming is not substainable, end of discussion. Modern farming methods have been being used for only a hundred years versus thousands of years organically and already many obvious problems are happening.
Fishtaco
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3204684
Darth have you priced a tractor lately or any farm equipment? I have enjoyed reading city folk posting expert opinions about farming though and bringing the global warming stuff into it.
Long term non-organic farming is not substainable, end of discussion. Modern farming methods have been being used for only a hundred years versus thousands of years organically and already many obvious problems are happening.
Fishtaco
Neither is "natural" methods unless you start rotating crops and other stuff, just planting isn't going to cut it...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3204684
Darth have you priced a tractor lately or any farm equipment? I have enjoyed reading city folk posting expert opinions about farming though and bringing the global warming stuff into it.
Fishtaco
While I live in the city now, I grew up on an 800 acre farm my grandfather owned for many years....A tractor is start up cost....but long term will net you more field cared for, for far less per bushel of grain.
one guy and a tractor cn manage 800 acres, how many hired hands with no tractor would it take...do the math on the cost....Not to mention the cost to purchase beasts of burden and their upkeep.
I love when people working for the "man" try to talk like they have owned a business before or managed one.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Oh, and the thousands of years "organic" has been done...what was the starvation percentage like, compared to the 100 or so years farming was done the way it had been in this country.
We export more food now than we did when we "organically" farmed...why?
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3204694
Oh, and the thousands of years "organic" has been done...what was the starvation percentage like, compared top the 100 or so years farming was done the way it had been in this country.
wow that is a good argument...
 
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