You know what Organic Veggies or Fruit really means?

[flower]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3203562
Grown in POOP.

Organic or otherwise, fertilizer is needed. What it means is that it has had no chemicals to keep bugs off. Nothing artificial to beef it up. Simply: whatever is marked organic is pure as nature made it.
It is expensive because it is hard to balance natural critters to eat problem critters, much like our fish tanks using a CUC and water changes instead of chemicals.
The loss is greater, nature isn't very kind. As a result more physical labor and less product = more expensive.
They do still use farm equipment. Organic does not mean done by hand.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3204694
Oh, and the thousands of years "organic" has been done...what was the starvation percentage like, compared to the 100 or so years farming was done the way it had been in this country.
We export more food now than we did when we "organically" farmed...why?
At what cost to long term substainability are we boosting crop production? The overpopulation problem is a non-starter, if a country can't grow enough food for itself, then it is a different problem all together and should not be ours. I don't really think many people in this country where starving a 100 years ago when smaller farms where the norm either. I'm also wondering why you think I work for the "Man" or whatever? I actually retired except for the occasional odd job eight years ago at 40.
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3204717
At what cost to long term substainability are we boosting crop production? The overpopulation problem is a non-starter, if a country can't grow enough food for itself, then it is a different problem all together and should not be ours. I don't really think many people in this country where starving a 100 years ago when smaller farms where the norm either. I'm also wondering why you think I work for the "Man" or whatever? I actually retired except for the occasional odd job eight years ago at 40.
Fishtaco
Define long term sustainability. as long as crops are rotated and the fields burned every couple years Farmers can continue using the same plot of land for decades...my grandfather did.
So globally there weren't more people starving in the past?
How do you know it is not sustainable? As you stated, we have been onlying those methods the last 100 years......
The " working for the man" comment was to show you how stupid your "city people" comment was. You assumed.
I will say a farm smaller than 50 acres done organically uses the land SPACE more efficientlly. as organic farmers plant inbetween rows since it is usually maintained by hand this is possible.
However the cost to yield ratio does not even compare.

 

[darthtang aw]

China bought 7.8 billion in soybeans alone from us last year.
I am not arguing from a "health" stance. I am debating from a sustaining the population/economy stance. Going purely organic would ruin this country financially and force ALOT of populations to starve.
If we went all organic our trade deficit would balloon. Our economy would collapse further as well...and food prices would skyrocket.
Overall....organic IS NOT more efficient when a person factors in these points.