1984 49ers Vs. 2007 Patriots
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kjr_trig
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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
Seems to me the West Coast offense is still pretty popular throughout the league and still with a lot of success.
A...I was talking about defensive schemes....B...You think teams are running the same thing now and then??? The west coast offense has evolved far beyond anything used in 84...Bill Walsh was of course an innovator, but its a different game today.
Seems to me the West Coast offense is still pretty popular throughout the league and still with a lot of success.
A...I was talking about defensive schemes....B...You think teams are running the same thing now and then??? The west coast offense has evolved far beyond anything used in 84...Bill Walsh was of course an innovator, but its a different game today.
kjr_trig
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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
Not to belittle the Pats because I think they are one of the great teams and they will be a dynasty, but their division was SOOO weak. They had 6 cake walks, OK maybe the Bills were a C+ / B- team but the Dolphins almost went 0-16 and the Jets are...well the Jets. What would the Pats be like if they played in the NFC East or AFC North where they had 6 hard fought division games.
Horrible argument....They beat Indy and Dallas on the road, the 2nd and third best teams record wise in the league.
Not to belittle the Pats because I think they are one of the great teams and they will be a dynasty, but their division was SOOO weak. They had 6 cake walks, OK maybe the Bills were a C+ / B- team but the Dolphins almost went 0-16 and the Jets are...well the Jets. What would the Pats be like if they played in the NFC East or AFC North where they had 6 hard fought division games.
Horrible argument....They beat Indy and Dallas on the road, the 2nd and third best teams record wise in the league.
sigmachris
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Yes I understood you were talking defense, my point is that the offense the Niners were running in the 80's is still widely used today. It is not like the old option days that is only played in college.
Yes the game has evolved, but do you really think Rice, Montana, and Lott couldn't figure it out.
Yes the game has evolved, but do you really think Rice, Montana, and Lott couldn't figure it out.
sigmachris
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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
Horrible argument....They beat Indy and Dallas on the road, the 2nd and third best teams record wise in the league.
I wasn't arguing anything I was making an observation...are you saying the AFC East is a good division?
Horrible argument....They beat Indy and Dallas on the road, the 2nd and third best teams record wise in the league.
I wasn't arguing anything I was making an observation...are you saying the AFC East is a good division?
pontius
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no offense SigmaChris, but the 84 San Fran team is not one of the best of all-time.
in my lifetime, the 3 greatest teams have been the....
07 Patriots (IF they win the Superbowl)
85 Bears
99(?) Rams
after that would be one of the Dallas teams with Aikman/Irvin/Emmitt.
after that, I MIGHT have the 49ers on the list.
in my lifetime, the 3 greatest teams have been the....
07 Patriots (IF they win the Superbowl)
85 Bears
99(?) Rams
after that would be one of the Dallas teams with Aikman/Irvin/Emmitt.
after that, I MIGHT have the 49ers on the list.
sigmachris
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No way the Rams get that high and I went to SDSU at the same time as Faulk so I am a big fan of his. Also I stated from the beginning, the 89 Niners were the best Niners team not 84.
The 85 Bears were good, but if you are going to be considered the best team of all time, you have to make a run of consecutive years not a flash in the pants. How can you be the best of all time and then fade away so quickly? So that leaves Steelers in the 70s, Niners 84 to 95, Cowboys 90s, and Pats in the 00s (what else do you call this decade?).
The 85 Bears were good, but if you are going to be considered the best team of all time, you have to make a run of consecutive years not a flash in the pants. How can you be the best of all time and then fade away so quickly? So that leaves Steelers in the 70s, Niners 84 to 95, Cowboys 90s, and Pats in the 00s (what else do you call this decade?).
pontius
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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
The 85 Bears were good, but if you are going to be considered the best team of all time, you have to make a run of consecutive years not a flash in the pants.
um, no you don't. teams change from year to year. the 01 and 07 Patriots are not the same team, and the 08 team will be different as well. the "greatest team" of all time is a single season thing. if you thought otherwise, you should've asked which is the greatest "dynasty" of all-time. and the answer would've still been the Patriots from this decade.
the 49ers teams of the 80s were good. Montana and Rice were great. but they played in possibly the most atrocious conference ever in the NFL with Atlanta, LA Rams, and New Orleans. so they didn't even have any kind of competition until they got out of their conference and the Washington/Dallas/NYG were all too busy beating up on each other within their own conference, even though they all managed to have some very good teams as well.
The 85 Bears were good, but if you are going to be considered the best team of all time, you have to make a run of consecutive years not a flash in the pants.
um, no you don't. teams change from year to year. the 01 and 07 Patriots are not the same team, and the 08 team will be different as well. the "greatest team" of all time is a single season thing. if you thought otherwise, you should've asked which is the greatest "dynasty" of all-time. and the answer would've still been the Patriots from this decade.
the 49ers teams of the 80s were good. Montana and Rice were great. but they played in possibly the most atrocious conference ever in the NFL with Atlanta, LA Rams, and New Orleans. so they didn't even have any kind of competition until they got out of their conference and the Washington/Dallas/NYG were all too busy beating up on each other within their own conference, even though they all managed to have some very good teams as well.
kjr_trig
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Chris, I was a big fan of the 49ers back then, I could still easily name 75% of the starters from their dynasty years....N.E. is something beyond special this year though.
The Rams were great in 99, but don't forget they were a yard from losing the SB to a not that great Titan team.
The Rams were great in 99, but don't forget they were a yard from losing the SB to a not that great Titan team.
pontius
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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
The Rams were great in 99, but don't forget they were a yard from losing the SB to a not that great Titan team.
The Rams were 1 yard away from going to overtime, not losing. New England was about 4 minutes away from losing to the Colts and 10 points and 7 minutes away from losing to the Giants. but it didn't happen. great teams find a way to win.
I'm a Panthers fan, so none of my teams make any "alltime" list. but the 99 Rams were a great team, as were the 85 Bears.
if I could have any defense, it would be the 85 Bears.
if I could have any offense, it would be the 99 Rams or 07 Pats and I wouldn't turn around for the difference.
*as a side note, the Rams v Titans and Patriots v Panthers were the 2 greatest Superbowls I've seen.
The Rams were great in 99, but don't forget they were a yard from losing the SB to a not that great Titan team.
The Rams were 1 yard away from going to overtime, not losing. New England was about 4 minutes away from losing to the Colts and 10 points and 7 minutes away from losing to the Giants. but it didn't happen. great teams find a way to win.
I'm a Panthers fan, so none of my teams make any "alltime" list. but the 99 Rams were a great team, as were the 85 Bears.
if I could have any defense, it would be the 85 Bears.
if I could have any offense, it would be the 99 Rams or 07 Pats and I wouldn't turn around for the difference.
*as a side note, the Rams v Titans and Patriots v Panthers were the 2 greatest Superbowls I've seen.
ruaround
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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
Do you know who held the record before Moss broke 22? Jerry Rice a Niner...bonus question do you know how many games it took Jerry to score 22?
Only 12 games before the a strike ended the season early.
uhhh do you know who youre asking??? LMAO...
Do you know who held the record before Moss broke 22? Jerry Rice a Niner...bonus question do you know how many games it took Jerry to score 22?
Only 12 games before the a strike ended the season early.
uhhh do you know who youre asking??? LMAO...
ruaround
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Originally Posted by Pontius
no offense SigmaChris, but the 84 San Fran team is not one of the best of all-time.
in my lifetime, the 3 greatest teams have been the....
07 Patriots (IF they win the Superbowl)
85 Bears
99(?) Rams
after that would be one of the Dallas teams with Aikman/Irvin/Emmitt.
after that, I MIGHT have the 49ers on the list.
why would you put a team that went 13 - 3 and lost to the team that they eventually beat in the Super Bowl on this list??? was it the whole "greatest show on turf" mantra???
no offense SigmaChris, but the 84 San Fran team is not one of the best of all-time.
in my lifetime, the 3 greatest teams have been the....
07 Patriots (IF they win the Superbowl)
85 Bears
99(?) Rams
after that would be one of the Dallas teams with Aikman/Irvin/Emmitt.
after that, I MIGHT have the 49ers on the list.
why would you put a team that went 13 - 3 and lost to the team that they eventually beat in the Super Bowl on this list??? was it the whole "greatest show on turf" mantra???
sigmachris
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Originally Posted by ruaround
uhhh do you know who youre asking??? LMAO...
No I don't, who?
uhhh do you know who youre asking??? LMAO...
No I don't, who?
sigmachris
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Originally Posted by ruaround
uhhh do you know who youre asking??? LMAO...
I'll take a guess, you are from Idaho, you know football...are you that Bed and Breakfast owner that the Raiders hired in 2006 as a coordinator and had been out of football for 10 or 15 years?
Other than that, no idea.
uhhh do you know who youre asking??? LMAO...
I'll take a guess, you are from Idaho, you know football...are you that Bed and Breakfast owner that the Raiders hired in 2006 as a coordinator and had been out of football for 10 or 15 years?
Other than that, no idea.
liverock27
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Speaking of the Raiders, what about their 1976 Super Bowl team that went 15-1, including the playoffs. If any secondary in history could stop the Pats wideouts it would be the Soul Patrol. Willie Brown, Jack Tatum, George Atkinson, and Dr. Death Skip Thomas. Just ask Lynn Swann about them.
liverock27
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Tom Walsh was also the Mayor of Swan Valley, Idaho while he ran his B&B. Those are good qualifications to be an Offensive Cordinator and Assistant Head Coach in the NFL.
pontius
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Originally Posted by ruaround
why would you put a team that went 13 - 3 and lost to the team that they eventually beat in the Super Bowl on this list??? was it the whole "greatest show on turf" mantra???
because final record (except for winning the Superbowl) doesn't have as much to do with "greatness" as the actual schedule that the team plays against. what I mean, the 84 San Fran team was 15-1, but look at how awful their division was at that time. I'd rather have the 99 Rams with their 13-3 record than the 84 49ers with a 15-1 record whose in division rivals were the mighty Aints, Falcons, and LA Rams. that was before any of those teams were any good and I don't think the Aints had ever even been to the playoffs up to that point.
why would you put a team that went 13 - 3 and lost to the team that they eventually beat in the Super Bowl on this list??? was it the whole "greatest show on turf" mantra???
because final record (except for winning the Superbowl) doesn't have as much to do with "greatness" as the actual schedule that the team plays against. what I mean, the 84 San Fran team was 15-1, but look at how awful their division was at that time. I'd rather have the 99 Rams with their 13-3 record than the 84 49ers with a 15-1 record whose in division rivals were the mighty Aints, Falcons, and LA Rams. that was before any of those teams were any good and I don't think the Aints had ever even been to the playoffs up to that point.
