2nd presidential debate

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2786247
I posted links back to the 04 election and ACORN was pulling the same crap back them. In 1997 some of these crooks came into Missoula Montana with the new party and were getting college students who lived in dorm housing to register to vote which was against state law.
This year looks like the most ramped yet. It appears ACORN has done nothing to solve this "problem".
Lets not overlook who's child ACORN is, William Ayres and Barack Obamas.
I feel very strongly about this in case you haven't noticed.
 

salty blues

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2786035
If the mainstream media picks up the ACORN story maybe. Here you have a group with numerous cases of voter fraud and the damned Democrats are still trying to give them money.
The mainstream media(FoxNews excepted) is in the tank for the dems & obama. They likely will not touch the story as(to their credit)Fox did. In fact, FoxNews ran a piece this morning about ACORN using convicts(trustees I suppose?)to do their voter registration "work".
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2786257
Lets not overlook who's child ACORN is, William Ayres and Barack Obamas.
I feel very strongly about this in case you haven't noticed.

Man, the Reps sure like the conspiracy theories. How about you concentrate on the real issues? Based on reefraff's comments, these guys have been doing this for years. Apparently they must suck at stuffing the ballot boxes with Dem votes. They got it wrong the last twp presidential elections.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2786174
Why she is probably the only politician in this race who actually thinks what you think about that.
Not sure what that means, but if they don't win the presidential nomination, it looks like she'll have a job in Vegas:
Pussycat Doll Nicole Scherzinger has invited Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to join the sexy girl group, if her election campaign fails in November.
The singer is convinced former beauty queen Palin has got what it takes to join the all-singing all-dancing five-piece.
The When I Grow Up hitmaker says, "She seems like a headstrong woman, a tough chick. And she's hot."
It's not the only offer on the table for the 44-year-old Republican governor of Alaska - Playboy boss Hugh Hefner has already asked her to strip

[hr]
in the famous men's magazine.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2786377
Man, the Reps sure like the conspiracy theories. How about you concentrate on the real issues? Based on reefraff's comments, these guys have been doing this for years. Apparently they must suck at stuffing the ballot boxes with Dem votes. They got it wrong the last twp presidential elections.

*Sigh* You are in full a blown delusional state.The only response Obamas camp will give to these serious accusations is Well er ...um..... McCain was involved with the Keating 5.And then they proceed to yell over the reporter or McCain rep and drown it out. Wake Up Man! Obama wont address this issue.Why? Because he is hiding the truth about his past that will tell who he really is.
A Radical Socialist.
 

acrylics

Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2785853
Here's an idea. Let's say I own a $500,000 house, and I'm in good standing with my bank and my payments are up to date. My neighbor the deadbeat, can't keep his payments up, and is on the brink of foreclosure. Because of the real estate bust, the houses in my neighborhood are only selling for $400,000. So McCain comes in, buys my neighbor's $500,000 note, devalues his house to $400,000, then gives him a $400,000 note so he doesn't have to move out. My neighbor is very happy. Meanwhile, the value of my house just dropped $100,000. So to help me with my bailout, McCain can cut me a check for $100,000 to make up the difference, rewarding me for being a responsible person and paying my debts.
IIRC, the idea was to put a lien on the house for the difference so if/when the house is sold - the gov't will theoretically recover the money. I don't know if I like this whole idea at all, but I am listening for more details. But I don't see it being that much different than someone receiving student loans from the gov't, to be paid back when done with school. Similar concept here, the gov't gets paid back the difference when it sells. THe real problem to me is that is the gov't going to be carrying the note? If so, I don't see them foreclosing on little old ladies - a politically suicidal issue. Are they guaranteeing the note, a losing issue as well if the value continues to drop.
As for the drop in value of your home, I feel for ya but that's how it goes I guess. People buy homes as a place to live, that part hasn't changed. I look at home ownership not so much as an investment but rather as your home where you reside that may offer capital appreciation but not guaranteed.
As for the Obama/McCain thing, I am still disappointed in both, neither are actual leadership material as I see it and IMO they both fail to grasp the gravity of the situation for many. The fact that people's retirements are at stake and many people are scared that it's gone, poof - like a fart in the wind.
I would like to see one or both them say the truth, things aren't just tough for many, they're downright scary. I'd like to see them say something to the effect of "It wasn't just one thing that caused this mess, it was a multitude of things and we all have to accept some degree of responsibility. I'll take responsibility for the recovery, if my idea fails, I won't seek a second term. I will humbly step aside if it doesn't work. But it will work, climb on my back if you're scared and come hell or high water - we'll get through this together, even if I have to carry you." You know, like an actual LEADER would. I don't see either having the testicular fortitude to do such a thing, everyone wants to pass the buck and blame someone else. Someone needs to simply say "The buck stops here!" I know, old fashioned, obsolete, whatever, this Country *needs* leadership right now, if no one is willing to do it, then in my mind it simply means neither deserves my vote.
There are things about both that I do not like at all and I am still undecided at this point but I will put away my personal interests and vote for the man who actually acts like the leader they seem to want to be. If you want to be a leader then dammit - act like one! Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
/rant for the day
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by acrylics
http:///forum/post/2786723
IIRC, the idea was to put a lien on the house for the difference so if/when the house is sold - the gov't will theoretically recover the money. I don't know if I like this whole idea at all, but I am listening for more details. But I don't see it being that much different than someone receiving student loans from the gov't, to be paid back when done with school. Similar concept here, the gov't gets paid back the difference when it sells. THe real problem to me is that is the gov't going to be carrying the note? If so, I don't see them foreclosing on little old ladies - a politically suicidal issue. Are they guaranteeing the note, a losing issue as well if the value continues to drop.
As for the drop in value of your home, I feel for ya but that's how it goes I guess. People buy homes as a place to live, that part hasn't changed. I look at home ownership not so much as an investment but rather as your home where you reside that may offer capital appreciation but not guaranteed.
As for the Obama/McCain thing, I am still disappointed in both, neither are actual leadership material as I see it and IMO they both fail to grasp the gravity of the situation for many. The fact that people's retirements are at stake and many people are scared that it's gone, poof - like a fart in the wind.
I would like to see one or both them say the truth, things aren't just tough for many, they're downright scary. I'd like to see them say something to the effect of "It wasn't just one thing that caused this mess, it was a multitude of things and we all have to accept some degree of responsibility. I'll take responsibility for the recovery, if my idea fails, I won't seek a second term. I will humbly step aside if it doesn't work. But it will work, climb on my back if you're scared and come hell or high water - we'll get through this together, even if I have to carry you." You know, like an actual LEADER would. I don't see either having the testicular fortitude to do such a thing, everyone wants to pass the buck and blame someone else. Someone needs to simply say "The buck stops here!" I know, old fashioned, obsolete, whatever, this Country *needs* leadership right now, if no one is willing to do it, then in my mind it simply means neither deserves my vote.
There are things about both that I do not like at all and I am still undecided at this point but I will put away my personal interests and vote for the man who actually acts like the leader they seem to want to be. If you want to be a leader then dammit - act like one! Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
/rant for the day
When I first read about the bailout, it sounded like what you're talking about. However, McCain came out with this devaluation scheme last night in his debate. It didn't sound anything like the lien theory you're stating. Don't know if I'm interpreting it wrong, but my example is how it came out to me.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2786539
*Sigh* You are in full a blown delusional state.The only response Obamas camp will give to these serious accusations is Well er ...um..... McCain was involved with the Keating 5.And then they proceed to yell over the reporter or McCain rep and drown it out. Wake Up Man! Obama wont address this issue.Why? Because he is hiding the truth about his past that will tell who he really is.
A Radical Socialist.
Should I play the X-Files theme song now or after the election? Give up with the smear campaign. It's too late in the race for it to matter. Like others have said, these debates rarely change anyone's mind. Obama could come over to your house, hand you $1 million, give you a Get Out Of Jail Free For Life card, and a letter saying you and your family will never have to pay taxes again, and you'd still vote for McCain.
 

acrylics

Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2786750
When I first read about the bailout, it sounded like what you're talking about. However, McCain came out with this devaluation scheme last night in his debate. It didn't sound anything like the lien theory you're stating. Don't know if I'm interpreting it wrong, but my example is how it came out to me.
I took it similarly, but would like to hear more details so am willing wait for them.
OTOH, I think whomever wins will have problems in Congress so I'm not exactly holding my breath. If Obama wins, the Rs will filibuster everything he wants. If McCain wins, the Ds may never let it out of committee unless it serves them. I tend to think McCain would have more support though since he's far more centrist. I'm also going with the assumption that the Ds will still control both the House and Senate.
I could be wrong on the above though, just the way I see it at present.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2786761
Should I play the X-Files theme song now or after the election? Give up with the smear campaign. It's too late in the race for it to matter. Like others have said, these debates rarely change anyone's mind. Obama could come over to your house, hand you $1 million, give you a Get Out Of Jail Free For Life card, and a letter saying you and your family will never have to pay taxes again, and you'd still vote for McCain.
Its only a smear campaign if its false info,and since Obama wont answer any of the allegations raised ill still wonder if all,some or none of it is true or not.
And as for Obama giving me money or giving me a get out of jail free card or the hilarious insinuation that Obama would ever utter the words"I would never have to pay taxes."I think you might wanna quit watching X-files and spend more time paying attention to whats going on around you .
In any event ,no i wont be voting for Obama because i dont agree with the direction he want lead this country.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2786826
Its only a smear campaign if its false info,and since Obama wont answer any of the allegations raised ill still wonder if all,some or none of it is true or not.
And as for Obama giving me money or giving me a get out of jail free card or the hilarious insinuation that Obama would ever utter the words"I would never have to pay taxes."I think you might wanna quit watching X-files and spend more time paying attention to whats going on around you .
In any event ,no i wont be voting for Obama because i dont agree with the direction he want lead this country.
Ever hear the word sarcastic? My statement of Obama coming to your house was referring to your obvious loyalty to the Republican Party. Meaning, Obama could offer you the world, and you still wouldn't vote for him. Quit taking every statement so literally.
Obama refuses to answer the 'allegations' because there's nothing to defend. Every person I here talk about the 'Ayers association' talks the same boring spin. The theory is if he lied about his associaiton with Ayers, what else would he lie about? Now there's an oxymoron - Honest Politician.
Yeeaa, I'm sure McCain has never lied about anything, or about any seedy individuals he's associated with during his lifetime.
 

reefraff

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Obama's only executive experience is from the time he was working at the foundation with Ayers. Gotta wonder why he has been so silent about that period of his life.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/2785354
I see what you're saying, but surely it will be less expensive to purchase the loans in order to renegotiate an interest rate or price than to put a home into foreclosure. Banks practically give these homes away to unload them, and does this not go back to the original problem...the banks are unable to sustain the loans in the first place. Any preforclosed home that could viably use this alternative given by McCain will ultimately fall back onto the banks that simply cannot sustain all of the bad loans. The owners can't afford them, this is why they are in the situation. I see his idea as a way to soften the inevitable blow.
The better option is to let the banks refinance... in terms of years and loan amount... lets say you have a home owner who has a 30 year sub-prime loan... payment was $800 and it ballooned to $1300 and rate jumped from say 8% to 12%..
Than the the bank has an interest to bring in the parties... and to refinance a term that is fixed and acceptable to the homeowner... Because if that house is worth $150K and they end up holding it for 6mos... and finally selling it for $120K. Refinance it at a slight loss.. maybe 145K and extend the loan to maybe 35.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2787126
Ever hear the word sarcastic? My statement of Obama coming to your house was referring to your obvious loyalty to the Republican Party. Meaning, Obama could offer you the world, and you still wouldn't vote for him. Quit taking every statement so literally.
Obama refuses to answer the 'allegations' because there's nothing to defend. Every person I here talk about the 'Ayers association' talks the same boring spin. The theory is if he lied about his associaiton with Ayers, what else would he lie about? Now there's an oxymoron - Honest Politician.
Yeeaa, I'm sure McCain has never lied about anything, or about any seedy individuals he's associated with during his lifetime.
Mrs Obama gave an answer... anyone in Chicago that is involved in Education policy...knows Mr. Ayers.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2786377
How about you concentrate on the real issues?

Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2786400
Not sure what that means, but if they don't win the presidential nomination, it looks like she'll have a job in Vegas:
Pussycat Doll Nicole Scherzinger has invited Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to join the sexy girl group, if her election campaign fails in November.
The singer is convinced former beauty queen Palin has got what it takes to join the all-singing all-dancing five-piece.
The When I Grow Up hitmaker says, "She seems like a headstrong woman, a tough chick. And she's hot."
It's not the only offer on the table for the 44-year-old Republican governor of Alaska - Playboy boss Hugh Hefner has already asked her to strip

[hr]
in the famous men's magazine.

Does anyone besides me see a problem with these two statements?

I don't know how connected Obama was with Acorn, I haven't seen where he was in a position of power within that organization. But having a pastor like he did, launching a campaign where he did. Running an organization designed to indoctrinate kids founded by a terrorist, is a REAL issue. Top that off with his radical socialist agenda. He voting support for murdering babies. And the fact that he is a Jr. Senator. We have some real issues.
BTW it means exactly what I said, Palin is probably the only candidate in this race who actually thinks what you think about your house values. Obama supports something to that effect.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2786400
Not sure what that means, but if they don't win the presidential nomination, it looks like she'll have a job in Vegas:
Pussycat Doll Nicole Scherzinger has invited Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to join the sexy girl group, if her election campaign fails in November.
The singer is convinced former beauty queen Palin has got what it takes to join the all-singing all-dancing five-piece.
The When I Grow Up hitmaker says, "She seems like a headstrong woman, a tough chick. And she's hot."
It's not the only offer on the table for the 44-year-old Republican governor of Alaska - Playboy boss Hugh Hefner has already asked her to strip

[hr]
in the famous men's magazine.
Personally, I'd much rather see her in Playboy than in the White House. Seems to be a better fit. JMO
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2787126
Ever hear the word sarcastic? My statement of Obama coming to your house was referring to your obvious loyalty to the Republican Party. Meaning, Obama could offer you the world, and you still wouldn't vote for him. Quit taking every statement so literally.
ERRRR Really??? I thought you where serious.
Answered sarcasm with some of the same .
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2787126
Obama refuses to answer the 'allegations' because there's nothing to defend. Every person I here talk about the 'Ayers association' talks the same boring spin. The theory is if he lied about his associaiton with Ayers, what else would he lie about? Now there's an oxymoron - Honest Politician.
Yeeaa, I'm sure McCain has never lied about anything, or about any seedy individuals he's associated with during his lifetime.
The flip side to that is the allegations are true ,and hes a lier with ties to a terroristic traitor and a convicted felon .
One more thing for the record Rezcos sentencing has been postponed indefinitely .It seems he may have some things he would like to reveal to the Authoritys in exchange for some leniency.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2787313
Does anyone besides me see a problem with these two statements?

I don't know how connected Obama was with Acorn, I haven't seen where he was in a position of power within that organization. But having a pastor like he did, launching a campaign where he did. Running an organization designed to indoctrinate kids founded by a terrorist, is a REAL issue. Top that off with his radical socialist agenda. He voting support for murdering babies. And the fact that he is a Jr. Senator. We have some real issues.
BTW it means exactly what I said, Palin is probably the only candidate in this race who actually thinks what you think about your house values. Obama supports something to that effect.
Google Acorn/Obama I don't think Obama denies being part of Acorn but i wouldn't be surprised if he has changed his mind .
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2787698
Google Acorn/Obama I don't think Obama denies being part of Acorn but i wouldn't be surprised if he has changed his mind .
obama is now denying haveing anything to do with acorn
 

reefraff

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He also denies being part of the New Party but they have claimed him on their website since 96 and he never disputed it before now. A bunch of those groups are all intermingled.
 
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