Abortion...So here's your thread

jtrzerocool

jtrzerocool

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
So you want me to convince you that it's a child in there and not a lump of tissue? Ask the government. When a pregnant woman is killed, the murderer is charged with two murders.
But then, I've said that before...

i dont want you to convince me of anything...it is all how you see it...you see a fetus as a child and i dont see it as a child until it is born...
 
clown boy

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You see? This debate is hopeless because no one will accept anything. I have presented solid grounds for our stand, whereas the best thing I hear from the other side are things like "What if it isn't the woman's fault?"... which rarely happens.
 
jonthefishguy

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
You see? This debate is hopeless because no one will accept anything. I have presented solid grounds for our stand, whereas the best thing I hear from the other side are things like "What if it isn't the woman's fault?"... which rarely happens.
SOLID GROUND? where was that? hahahaha
 
clown boy

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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Bible beaters....I tell ya....

I haven't said a word from it. Not one. What does it have to do with whether or not it is right to kill a child?
 
clown boy

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
and your best defense is that a fetus has rights...
Calling an unborn child a fetus was created by abortion sellers.
 
clown boy

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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
SOLID GROUND? where was that? hahahaha

Well, for one, where I said that when a pregnant woman is killed, the murderer is charged with two murders. Therefore, two persons. Need more?
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by rudedog
.... Hey, why stop at abortion? Let's completely ban the ownership of guns and not allow ANY smoking -- cigars, pipes, or cigarettes. Those two kill more people than abortion. Don't see you getting on the crusade to stop those practices.
You need to check your numbers again....
Recent statistics on gun deaths in the USA: approx 40,000
CDC numbers for smoking deaths in 2006: approx 400,000
Legal abortions reported to the CDC in the USA in 2004: 840,000....
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
i dont want you to convince me of anything...it is all how you see it...you see a fetus as a child and i dont see it as a child until it is born...

I was just in a maternity ward yesterday in a recovery room. I spent about 8 hrs in there and saw mother after mother come in after they had recieved a C-sections. All them were mothers of premature babies that were weeks early. I recall 1 having twins that were 3 months earlier and weighted around 2 lbs. The doctors said the babies are doing well, but they had to use a ventilator on them for a couple days to make sure their lungs would expand and they could breath. It was pretty amazing because there were like 6 mothers who were going through the same thing and all the babies seemed as if they were going to make it. Now a baby that goes full term goes 40 weeks. These babies were at most 28 weeks. My point is that though they were early they are still babies and are able to survive.
The smallest baby weighed less than 9oz and was born at 22 weeks. Which in pregnancy terms is exactly 5 months. Does anyone know what the time peroid for when you are able to have an abortion?
But my point clearly shows that as early as 5 months, a fetus (baby) is able to survive. So we know that atleast from 22-40 weeks regardless if they are in the womb or not, they are still a baby.
 
jonthefishguy

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Well, for one, where I said that when a pregnant woman is killed, the murderer is charged with two murders. Therefore, two persons. Need more?
Only 29 states have the so-called fetal homicide laws.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Obviously your statement confirmed what I had suspected which is you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about and just rambling on and on. You missed the point he was trying to make which was that MORE PEOPLE DIE OF GUNS, CIGARS, CIGARETTES AND THE SUCH. ..... So until you actually have something educational to say instead of just rambling nonsense, it might be better to just sit on the sideline and participate ONLY when you have something related to the topic instead.

See my above post before you start accusing other posters of "rambling nonsense" and having "absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about...
 
jonthefishguy

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
You need to check your numbers again....
Recent statistics on gun deaths in the USA: approx 40,000
CDC numbers for smoking deaths in 2006: approx 400,000
Legal abortions reported to the CDC in the USA in 2004: 840,000....

Dont trust numbers, not every gun or smoking death gets reported.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
this still leads back to when you concider a fetus a child...i dont concider it a child until after birth...this thing is going round and round...
Of course you have no scientific evidence to back up such belief; which is where in my mind the difficulty lies.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Dont trust numbers, not every gun or smoking death gets reported.
LOL... ok.. I'm sure 400,000 gun deaths go unreported every year...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Dont trust numbers, not every gun or smoking death gets reported.
planned parenthood says 1.6 million. go figure
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by fishyCPA
Journey, I agree with you on this issue, but can we please lock this thead?
Nah. no reason too unless the personal attacks get out of hand.
 
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