Abortion...So here's your thread
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ruaround
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Originally Posted by mfp1016
Context and relativity are both swoons to the issue. This thread is filled with foolish logic and laden in fallacy. I emplore both sides to review their arguments. Where is my right to hear valid and non-zealous arguments from both sides? Not here....
of course youre not going to hear it here... cuz you have to read it...
doesnt swoons mean to be in ecstasy??? i dont get why you used that word there...
Context and relativity are both swoons to the issue. This thread is filled with foolish logic and laden in fallacy. I emplore both sides to review their arguments. Where is my right to hear valid and non-zealous arguments from both sides? Not here....
of course youre not going to hear it here... cuz you have to read it...
doesnt swoons mean to be in ecstasy??? i dont get why you used that word there...
jonthefishguy
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Originally Posted by mfp1016
Where is my right to hear valid and non-zealous arguments from both sides? Not here....
Obviously your not interested in our topic so try two doors down.
Where is my right to hear valid and non-zealous arguments from both sides? Not here....
Obviously your not interested in our topic so try two doors down.
ric maniac
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Originally Posted by peef
If you argue the "a life is a life" thing well then I guess all men should stop "pulling the proverbial pork" because that is a living thing also going on the carpet or a tissue.
i laughed so hard i had to poop!
If you argue the "a life is a life" thing well then I guess all men should stop "pulling the proverbial pork" because that is a living thing also going on the carpet or a tissue.
i laughed so hard i had to poop!
jennythebugg
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wow this one went fast
i last saw it at the end of pg 2 !
rudedog40
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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
But he isn't pro choice...
Really? He's not? Did you understand what I said? In journeyman's mind, anything he says about pro-life sounds reasonable to him (and obviously you as well). If you ask a person who is pro-choice, he would say that everything journeyman says is unreasonable. Ergo, he has an opposite opinion to that of journeyman's.
But he isn't pro choice...
Really? He's not? Did you understand what I said? In journeyman's mind, anything he says about pro-life sounds reasonable to him (and obviously you as well). If you ask a person who is pro-choice, he would say that everything journeyman says is unreasonable. Ergo, he has an opposite opinion to that of journeyman's.
darknes
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I'd be interested to see this go to the Supreme Court again. The whole basis for legality is not whether the mother should have the choice, but whether you consider the unborn child a person:
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Basically, what 1journeyman was saying.
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Basically, what 1journeyman was saying.
clown boy
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Originally Posted by saltn00b
well technically feti are not americans until they are born , if i am not mistaken. they have no SS #, they are not a part of any census or in any other way registered as an american until they have a birth certificate.
therefore:
(one who is an american)'s rights > (one who is not quite one yet)'s rights
So now the government decides when someone is a human or not?
well technically feti are not americans until they are born , if i am not mistaken. they have no SS #, they are not a part of any census or in any other way registered as an american until they have a birth certificate.
therefore:
(one who is an american)'s rights > (one who is not quite one yet)'s rights
So now the government decides when someone is a human or not?
jonthefishguy
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clown boy let it go.....you sound more and more confused everytime you post.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by PerfectDark
Im curious to hear the answers to this. Especially by the pro life people.
What happens in the case of a rapist that gets a woman pregnant? Do you really think she wants to be pregnant? That any joy at all will come of her pregnancy or parenting. Or perhaps she will hold against that child the manor in which it was concieved. Question his or her motives for everything they do, for the rest of his or her life. I dont think anyone can answer that question.. so why take that choice away from them.
How about detectable birth defects, or Siamese Twins to such a degree that the children will never be able to be split. How difficult is their life going to be? You think riducule by being short or fat is bad in todays society? what about being in the spot light your entire life for how were born with such a severe disformality that people actually cry for you when they look at you? Forget the medical issues that most likley will be there for the rest of their life. Is this a life you would choose for anybody? be happy they are alive and not wish that the pain they were going through everyday would be over.
And Im sorry to the people who say that those types of people are truley happy and have adapted. I dont care how they look on the outside those are not happy people. Not one minute goes by where they dont look at themselves as somthing that shouldnt of happened. IMO...
Still a pro life advocate?
I am all about being responsible for your own actions...however, what do you do when its the result of someone elses actions, or somthing out of your control?
Sure those are all valid reasons to have an abortion, the only problem is most abortions are not done for those reasons. But are out of convience.
Im curious to hear the answers to this. Especially by the pro life people.
What happens in the case of a rapist that gets a woman pregnant? Do you really think she wants to be pregnant? That any joy at all will come of her pregnancy or parenting. Or perhaps she will hold against that child the manor in which it was concieved. Question his or her motives for everything they do, for the rest of his or her life. I dont think anyone can answer that question.. so why take that choice away from them.
How about detectable birth defects, or Siamese Twins to such a degree that the children will never be able to be split. How difficult is their life going to be? You think riducule by being short or fat is bad in todays society? what about being in the spot light your entire life for how were born with such a severe disformality that people actually cry for you when they look at you? Forget the medical issues that most likley will be there for the rest of their life. Is this a life you would choose for anybody? be happy they are alive and not wish that the pain they were going through everyday would be over.
And Im sorry to the people who say that those types of people are truley happy and have adapted. I dont care how they look on the outside those are not happy people. Not one minute goes by where they dont look at themselves as somthing that shouldnt of happened. IMO...
Still a pro life advocate?
I am all about being responsible for your own actions...however, what do you do when its the result of someone elses actions, or somthing out of your control?
Sure those are all valid reasons to have an abortion, the only problem is most abortions are not done for those reasons. But are out of convience.
rudedog40
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Originally Posted by Darknes
I'd be interested to see this go to the Supreme Court again. The whole basis for legality is not whether the mother should have the choice, but whether you consider the unborn child a person:
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Basically, what 1journeyman was saying.
Vote another bible thumper into Office, and you may get your wish. Every Republican has the pro-life mentality. The law states when an embyro becomes a human life. The problem with the pro-choicers is they think life begins when the $perm enters the egg. The fanatic pro-lifers want to ban embryo storage for parents who may want a child later in life.
I also like stdreb27's answer to perfectdark. Where do you think those 'statistics' come from? Maybe from pro-lifers? Where are the independent studies from organizations that are not biased? All your facts come from data compiled by pro-lifers. Look at pro-choice data, and the numbers are completely different.
Keep the government out of MY business. Hey, why stop at abortion? Let's completely ban the ownership of guns and not allow ANY smoking -- cigars, pipes, or cigarettes. Those two kill more people than abortion. Don't see you getting on the crusade to stop those practices.
I'd be interested to see this go to the Supreme Court again. The whole basis for legality is not whether the mother should have the choice, but whether you consider the unborn child a person:
"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Basically, what 1journeyman was saying.
Vote another bible thumper into Office, and you may get your wish. Every Republican has the pro-life mentality. The law states when an embyro becomes a human life. The problem with the pro-choicers is they think life begins when the $perm enters the egg. The fanatic pro-lifers want to ban embryo storage for parents who may want a child later in life.
I also like stdreb27's answer to perfectdark. Where do you think those 'statistics' come from? Maybe from pro-lifers? Where are the independent studies from organizations that are not biased? All your facts come from data compiled by pro-lifers. Look at pro-choice data, and the numbers are completely different.
Keep the government out of MY business. Hey, why stop at abortion? Let's completely ban the ownership of guns and not allow ANY smoking -- cigars, pipes, or cigarettes. Those two kill more people than abortion. Don't see you getting on the crusade to stop those practices.
clown boy
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Originally Posted by rudedog40
Hey, why stop at abortion? Let's completely ban the ownership of guns and not allow ANY smoking -- cigars, pipes, or cigarettes. Those two kill more people than abortion.
That's not true. As many people as were killed on 9/11 are killed every day by abortion.
Hey, why stop at abortion? Let's completely ban the ownership of guns and not allow ANY smoking -- cigars, pipes, or cigarettes. Those two kill more people than abortion.
That's not true. As many people as were killed on 9/11 are killed every day by abortion.
jonthefishguy
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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
That's not true. As many people as were killed on 9/11 are killed every day by abortion.
Obviously your statement confirmed what I had suspected which is you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about and just rambling on and on. You missed the point he was trying to make which was that MORE PEOPLE DIE OF GUNS, CIGARS, CIGARETTES AND THE SUCH. Not to mention achohol. People die from side effects from these drugs everyday. Your 9/11 comment had NOTHING to do with this topic. So until you actually have something educational to say instead of just rambling nonsense, it might be better to just sit on the sideline and participate ONLY when you have something related to the topic instead.
That's not true. As many people as were killed on 9/11 are killed every day by abortion.
Obviously your statement confirmed what I had suspected which is you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about and just rambling on and on. You missed the point he was trying to make which was that MORE PEOPLE DIE OF GUNS, CIGARS, CIGARETTES AND THE SUCH. Not to mention achohol. People die from side effects from these drugs everyday. Your 9/11 comment had NOTHING to do with this topic. So until you actually have something educational to say instead of just rambling nonsense, it might be better to just sit on the sideline and participate ONLY when you have something related to the topic instead.
