Abortion...So here's your thread

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by jonthefishguy
Bottom line is ABORTIONS have been around for centuries and will continue to be around for centuries more regardless of whether people are for it or against it, whether it is legal or illegal and whether you like it or not. There is nothing you can do about it. If there was, you would have already done so. So my stand point is.....do whatever you have to do.
R ape and murder, slavery and poverty have also been around for centuries. I choose to oppose those things as well.

 

[fishycpa]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Wow; so based on that tidbit all mammalian newborns are parasites as they suck nutrients from their mothers. So until a baby is weaned it is not a life?
To carry that one step further, a child is dependant on thier parents or other guardian until they are apx. 10-16, they would almost certainly not survive without them...parasite?

 

[saltn00b]

the problem is you cant generalize, you cant say "well, not in your specific situations, but in general this practice should not be allowed because of XXXXX." they are allowed because of the individual that needs it. not disallowed because the masses should not need it if they are moral people. as stated , there are plenty of instances where morals have nothing to do with it. and thats a freedom we all have should you ever need it, living in this country.

 

[alix2.0]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Wow; so based on that tidbit all mammalian newborns are parasites as they suck nutrients from their mothers. So until a baby is weaned it is not a life?
it, in my opinion, is a life as soon as it is concieved. but it is not a human untill the second it is born. may sound contradictory, im not very eloquent. this conversation makes me sick however, so i dont really want to get into it.
basically, i agree with jonthefishguy. if you dont like it, dont do it. people will always get abortions whether you like it or not. it is highly unlikely that screaming your beliefs at someone is going to change their opinion on something. i am not going to waste my life justifying my beliefs to people who only want me to say something controversial so they can try to justify their beliefs.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by saltn00b
the problem is you cant generalize, you cant say "well, not in your specific situations, but in general this practice should not be allowed because of XXXXX." they are allowed because of the individual that needs it. not disallowed because the masses should not need it if they are moral people. as stated , there are plenty of instances where morals have nothing to do with it. and thats a freedom we all have should you ever need it, living in this country.
Again; your freedoms cannot overlap my rights.
A woman's freedom should not overlap an unborn child's life.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
it, in my opinion, is a life as soon as it is concieved. but it is not a human untill the second it is born. may sound contradictory, im not very eloquent. this conversation makes me sick however, so i dont really want to get into it.....
So is a fetus delivered by C-section never a human?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
but a dog is a living being. a fetus is, untill birth, a parasite.
Look up the definition of parasite....a baby after born is technically a parasite. try again.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Nope...
They do get to choose whether or not they support terrorist regimes and cells, however.
Much like the Germans in Dresden or the Japanese in Hiroshima.
but its their right to choose what they believe... so is your freedom over lapping their rights...

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Again; your freedoms cannot overlap my rights.
A woman's freedom should not overlap an unborn child's life.
Amen.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by ruaround
but its their right to choose what they believe... so is your freedom over lapping their rights...
Anyone can believe whatever they want. Just so it does not interfere with other people.

 

[alix2.0]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
So is a fetus delivered by C-section never a human?

i feel ill
i dont understand this question. the baby was still born wasnt it?

 

[clown boy]

No.....

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Again; your freedoms cannot overlap my rights.
A woman's freedom should not overlap an unborn child's life.
besides, freedom and rights are not synonamous... what is the point of this statement???

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Anyone can believe whatever they want. Just so it does not interfere with other people.
LMAO!!! that is perfect... classic right there...

 

[jtrzerocool]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
No.....
so you concider a C-section not giving birth?

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by ruaround
LMAO!!! that is perfect... classic right there...
Yes, I suppose what I said is very funny if you think that an unborn person is not a person. But he/she is. So a decision to terminate his/her life does interfere with him/her.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by ruaround
besides, freedom and rights are not synonamous... what is the point of this statement???
The point is that the mother's rights shouldn't interfere with her child's right to life.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by ruaround
but its their right to choose what they believe... so is your freedom over lapping their rights...
I don't care what they believe until they try to kill me or fellow Americans...

 

[alix2.0]

Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
so you concider a C-section not giving birth?
yeah i dont get it either... my brother was born via c section, are you saying that he is a 10 year old fetus?

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by jtrzerocool
so you concider a C-section not giving birth?
Technically it's not. But that's beside the point...