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reefraff

reefraff

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I have always been in favor of civil unions but was a little iffy on gay marriage. One of those things where I had mixed emotions but really wasn't strong one way or another. After seeing that turdillious flakejob who asked the question attack her and the response from a couple of gay organization I will now not just vote against gay marriage, I will vote against civil unions too.
I am sick and tired of seeing people attacked for having an opinion. Those of us who opposed Obama were called racists even when we could site numerous specific reasons having nothing to do with race for our opposition. In fact I think a whole lot more racists voted for Obama than against.
I really hope some gay organizations denounce this idiot. My new found stand against civil unions could easily be swayed back. Still not sure on marriage.
 
coral keeper

coral keeper

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/3025422
Personally I think she deserves a big ole high five for sticking to her guns. She knew what she was doing when she answered it and stuck to her beliefs. Honesty should be rewarded. Instead she was penelized because she didnt answer the question "correctly"..
BTW
Homosexuality is a mental diease. We should treat it as such. We treat people who are mean as hell for mental disorders. They get prozac. We need to find a cure for homosexuality....
Maybe she should have said that.

LMAO!
 
gypsana

gypsana

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3025221
So being openly gay or a superflamer (why not just say fag?)
I could have! I have gay friends and they dislike super flamers just as much as anyone else and yes they will call them superfags and not get their panties in a bunch.
 
prime311

prime311

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She could easily have answered the question without stating whether or not she personally believed in gay marriage. Thats what she shouldve done. No lies or compromised morals and would be playing to the judges. Maybe I'm in a pageant and I think gay marriage is ok because Aliens came to earth and told me so. Sure if I say that I'm stating the truth but I doubt anyone would be giving me brownie points for being honest. A pageant is all about looks and presentation and if you give an answer that is divisive then you are going to be knocked for it. Oh and i also think beauty pageants are incredibly gay and probably hold more interest to a gay man then a straight one these days anyway.
 
scsinet

scsinet

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It's amazing to me how many people in this country are all for freedom of speech... as long as they agree with who is speaking.
On a larger topic, to me, the idea of "beauty pageant" means more than just whether or not you are..."difficult to look at." I've always kind of felt like the questions are to establish the presence or lack of inner beauty.
So, an individual that feels a certain way about the topic of gay marriage may be perceived as having or not having inner beauty depending on the moral fiber of the observer.
Should she have been penalized? Yes and no. Here's a differnet question... HOW COULD she have directly answered that question and not been harmed by it? It was a BS question in the first place because emotions run hot on both sides of the issues. If you are judging the contestants based on the answer they give, she was done the moment the question was asked.
If you judged the contestant based on their fortitude of thought and the strength of their convictions, she deserved to win.
I will point out that in no place in this post have I taken a stance myself on the subject, but I will say that I really admire this young lady for speaking in what she believed. That takes some serious huevos.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3025992
It's amazing to me how many people in this country are all for freedom of speech... as long as they agree with who is speaking.
On a larger topic, to me, the idea of "beauty pageant" means more than just whether or not you are..."difficult to look at." I've always kind of felt like the questions are to establish the presence or lack of inner beauty.
So, an individual that feels a certain way about the topic of gay marriage may be perceived as having or not having inner beauty depending on the moral fiber of the observer.
Should she have been penalized? Yes and no. Here's a differnet question... HOW COULD she have directly answered that question and not been harmed by it? It was a BS question in the first place because emotions run hot on both sides of the issues. If you are judging the contestants based on the answer they give, she was done the moment the question was asked.
If you judged the contestant based on their fortitude of thought and the strength of their convictions, she deserved to win.
I will point out that in no place in this post have I taken a stance myself on the subject, but I will say that I really admire this young lady for speaking in what she believed. That takes some serious huevos.
WHat it all comes down to is that pathetic waste of sperm who asked the question shouldn't have been allowed to turn the pageant into his own personal propaganda tool. They should should not ask questions on political issues to avoid this kind of crap
 
gypsana

gypsana

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3026111
WHat it all comes down to is that pathetic waste of sperm who asked the question shouldn't have been allowed to turn the pageant into his own personal propaganda tool. They should should not ask questions on political issues to avoid this kind of crap
 
bigarn

bigarn

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3026111
WHat it all comes down to is that pathetic waste of sperm who asked the question shouldn't have been allowed to turn the pageant into his own personal propaganda tool. They should should not ask questions on political issues to avoid this kind of crap
Yep ... The best part of him ended up on the sheets.
 
wattsupdoc

wattsupdoc

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Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/3025962
She could easily have answered the question without stating whether or not she personally believed in gay marriage. Thats what she shouldve done. No lies or compromised morals and would be playing to the judges. Maybe I'm in a pageant and I think gay marriage is ok because Aliens came to earth and told me so. Sure if I say that I'm stating the truth but I doubt anyone would be giving me brownie points for being honest. A pageant is all about looks and presentation and if you give an answer that is divisive then you are going to be knocked for it. Oh and i also think beauty pageants are incredibly gay and probably hold more interest to a gay man then a straight one these days anyway.
Sorry but this reply is exactly the thing that is wrong with this country. We are so afraid of saying something that might offend someone else that our own morals, convictions, personal beliefs are all set aside and ignored. Your reply is exactly what she shouldn't have done. So many are fakes and frauds that it is hard to distinguish what our own feelings actually are. We tolerate things because we are afraid we might be offensive to some person. While there are things that should not be tolerated, so shouldn't this kind of ideology. We as a general public should welcome and reward others for saying what they belief is right or wrong. Regardless of how it may make us feel. My wife's cousin is gay, or bi, or something. He;s a real nice guy. We get along just fine. The only thing is the guy has a mental problem. We as a society should recognize this and learn to treat it. Why don't we?
 
pontius

pontius

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Originally Posted by uneverno
http:///forum/post/3025221
Wow!
Where to begin on this one???
So being openly gay or a superflamer (why not just say fag?) should automatically disqualify one from making such important decisions as judging women in beauty pageants? 'Cuz really - the world turns on that...
In addition, her answer was ludicrous. She appreciates living in a land where there's a choice? Where would that be? It's certainly not California.
I will give you that the question was really, really difficult though. She should be cut some slack on that account. A for effort.

where do you get "certainly not California"? the choice was put on a ballot and the voters spoke. that's what I call choice.
and if you all think her answer was bad, I advise to listen to the q/a of the girl who won. the question was something like, "how should tax payer money be spent.". and her answer went something like, "I think it should be spent on welfare and stuff". what is "and stuff"? that's an award winning answer?
 
makoshrk2

makoshrk2

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/3026207
Sorry but this reply is exactly the thing that is wrong with this country. We are so afraid of saying something that might offend someone else that our own morals, convictions, personal beliefs are all set aside and ignored. Your reply is exactly what she shouldn't have done. So many are fakes and frauds that it is hard to distinguish what our own feelings actually are. We tolerate things because we are afraid we might be offensive to some person. While there are things that should not be tolerated, so shouldn't this kind of ideology. We as a general public should welcome and reward others for saying what they belief is right or wrong. Regardless of how it may make us feel. My wife's cousin is gay, or bi, or something. He;s a real nice guy. We get along just fine. The only thing is the guy has a mental problem. We as a society should recognize this and learn to treat it. Why don't we?
This is funny, because I usually offend someone at some point in everyday. I was born without a filter on my mouth, and I like it that way. People do not like the truth when it involves themselves.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by makoshrk2
http:///forum/post/3026308
This is funny, because I usually offend someone at some point in everyday. I was born without a filter on my mouth, and I like it that way. People do not like the truth when it involves themselves.

Who would have guessed
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
http:///forum/post/3025422
Personally I think she deserves a big ole high five for sticking to her guns. She knew what she was doing when she answered it and stuck to her beliefs. Honesty should be rewarded. Instead she was penelized because she didnt answer the question "correctly"..
BTW
Homosexuality is a mental diease. We should treat it as such. We treat people who are mean as hell for mental disorders. They get prozac. We need to find a cure for homosexuality....
Maybe she should have said that.

Homosexuality is NOT a mental illness,and there is no such thing as a mental disease-FYI
I am in the mental health field so please get your facts straight before you open that redneck mouth of yours.
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by SCSInet
http:///forum/post/3025992
If you judged the contestant based on their fortitude of thought and the strength of their convictions, she deserved to win.
I will point out that in no place in this post have I taken a stance myself on the subject, but I will say that I really admire this young lady for speaking in what she believed. That takes some serious huevos.
Yes, but only if she didn't win does she have "serious huevos". If there was no consequence to her stance, then there is no evidence of fortitude, and she is just another empty skin. She said what she meant in response to a stupid question, and she should expect to have to live with the consequences.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/3026610
Homosexuality is NOT a mental illness,and there is no such thing as a mental disease-FYI
I am in the mental health field so please get your facts straight before you open that redneck mouth of yours.
Can you explain the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia then? They both are "conditions," right? Why is one okay, but the others not?
 
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