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[jonthefishguy]

Originally Posted by zeke92
actually i have a small company atm and sell snails and freshwater fish and clams, i am also getting into selling seahorses and clownfish soon. and a while back i had people that breed things with me, so some kids know things that adults don't expect them to is what i'm saying. i could motivate someone about to be let go. just cause were kids doesn't mean we can't motivate or help someone with emotional problems.
anyway, sometimes when i get into age debates, i always laugh when i remember one thing...
right this moment there are so many kids my age hacking into adult's computers and the adults have no idea why there are 50 popups every minute

Once again...that truly shows your age. If you think its funny that people are getting hacked then you have some serious issues. And you see why we wouldnt ask you for advice or take you seriously.

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by zeke92
right this moment there are so many kids my age hacking into adult's computers and the adults have no idea why there are 50 popups every minute

Some of us adults know how to do the same thing, but being adults (and having wisdom along with the knowledge) we have restraint and use those skills to protect the lesser knowledgeable.

 

[zeke92]

read my last post and please stop trying to be rude about something you have no idea about.

 

[zeke92]

Originally Posted by m0nk
Some of us adults know how to do the same thing, but being adults (and having wisdom along with the knowledge) we have restraint and use those skills to protect the lesser knowledgeable.

me and most of my friends that do this stuff learned for that exact reason. the reason i started learning was to stop people from hacing and ruining games like runescape. most of us play around with websites, find holes, and then alert the owners.
not all hackers are bad.
some of us are the good guys, don't get us mixed up with bad people, and script kiddies.

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by zeke92
wow, the fact that you took that piece of info and tried to make me look like a terrible person shows your age aswell.
me and none of my friends have ever harmed a computer or disrupted anyones privacy or files.
there is a difference between the hackers you are thinking of and us.
people fear what they don't understand, and you don't understand hacking, so you immediately say were destroying computers and invading privacy. pity -.-

Explain to me how this comment, which you find funny, is something I misunderstand:
right this moment there are so many kids my age hacking into adult's computers and the adults have no idea why there are 50 popups every minute
If they are harmless and have no impact why are there so many programs to stop them? Why are there firewalls and all manner of security to prevent your innocent hacking?
If you are hacking, you are not engaged in lawful, welcome enterprise, and I do not applaud it. Yes, I suspect most adults..whom you feel are clueless as to what is going on...would not be amused either. There is nothing I had to misconstrue to make it look bad. To laugh at "adults" who do not know teens are "hacking" their machines?? How did I misconstrue that?

 

[jonthefishguy]

Okay Zeke, I think you need to calm down. You obviously can talk but get offended when we call you out on your comments. Thats the childish attitude in you speaking. If you get offended, turn off the computer and go to bed. One of the lessons in life you will soon learn is that you need to own up to what you say and do, because sometimes it will come back to bite you.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by zeke92
actually i have a small company atm and sell snails and freshwater fish and clams, i am also getting into selling seahorses and clownfish soon. and a while back i had people that breed things with me, so some kids know things that adults don't expect them to is what i'm saying. i could motivate someone about to be let go. just cause were kids doesn't mean we can't motivate or help someone with emotional problems.
anyway, sometimes when i get into age debates, i always laugh when i remember one thing...
right this moment there are so many kids my age hacking into adult's computers and the adults have no idea why there are 50 popups every minute

When I was 9 I had a small company that sold lemonade and fruit punch and I employed my little brother and sister and by the time I was 10 I was a guru and had amassed a small jar of quarters!
In all seriousness, you are not making yourself look good here and should take a step back and think about what you are saying and the way you are presenting yourself.

 

[ophiura]

Originally Posted by zeke92
me and most of my friends that do this stuff learned for that exact reason. the reason i started learning was to stop people from hacing and ruining games like runescape. most of us play around with websites, find holes, and then alert the owners.
not all hackers are bad.
some of us are the good guys, don't get us mixed up with bad people, and script kiddies.

This is much more positive, IMO, but NOT what you referenced to begin with! Why did you not focus on the POSITIVE use of this?

 

[m0nk]

Originally Posted by zeke92
me and most of my friends that do this stuff learned for that exact reason. the reason i started learning was to stop people from hacing and ruining games like runescape. most of us play around with websites, find holes, and then alert the owners.
not all hackers are bad.
some of us are the good guys, don't get us mixed up with bad people, and script kiddies.
No, not all hackers are bad, but as I grew up and actually began working and getting more training in the Security industry, it became apparent how many problems were being caused by the "good guys". You have to realize there is potential for the "bad guys" to be listening on the "good guy" tactics, watching, waiting for a hole to be revealed and taking advantage of it before the target company/site/etc can do anything about it. Lets say the bad guy is watching what you, the "good guy" is doing, they could be watching your outbound traffic, possibly capturing emails and finding the exploit you're identifying for the target. They're letting you do all the work and they're taking all the "reward".
"You know the definition of a hero? Someone who gets other people killed."
Edit: just food for thought...

 

[zeke92]

when i said it was funny that so many kids were hacking adults that had no clue what was going on, that was just an example that kids can be just as smart, resourceful, and knowledgeable about things then anyone else.
but yeah i shoulda started out with the positive parts.
but like i said, firewalls, are meant for the people that try to cause problems and find it funny to destroy hardrives and steal files. not us.
and about the business thing, that was VERY insulting. VERY.
in the spring last year i made at least 100 bucks a week selling to many people all over the us through my website (currently offline, building new one). I've spent tons of time and money into breeding snails and show-worthy guppies (yeah, guppies doesn't seem to hard, but breeding show-worthy strains of guppies is very hard). and if you think breeding clownfish and seahorses is childish, it took 150 dollars for the tank, 100 dollar filter, and the horses were 40 bucks each. my business isn't really a little kiddy business. and when someone says crap like that, it's very rude and insulting. that just goes to show you don't think a kid can have a successful business.
and fyi, I'm about to be supplying snails and clams to a locally owned fish store as well. very childish little business thing right there.
yeah i should probably cool down, but two things that keep me going. one, is ageism, it just completely pisses me off to no end. and another thing is some inconsiderate person acting like i have a little kiddy business and insulting me like that.
btw ophiura, this debate is nothing personal, just a debate. don't want you to hate me over a little debate or something

 

[zeke92]

Originally Posted by m0nk
No, not all hackers are bad, but as I grew up and actually began working and getting more training in the Security industry, it became apparent how many problems were being caused by the "good guys". You have to realize there is potential for the "bad guys" to be listening on the "good guy" tactics, watching, waiting for a hole to be revealed and taking advantage of it before the target company/site/etc can do anything about it. Lets say the bad guy is watching what you, the "good guy" is doing, they could be watching your outbound traffic, possibly capturing emails and finding the exploit you're identifying for the target. They're letting you do all the work and they're taking all the "reward".
"You know the definition of a hero? Someone who gets other people killed."
Edit: just food for thought...
only script kiddies and the newer people that don't know much would let that sort of thing happen. most people have a nice firewall (configured to let them do stuff) and a proxy and many other things to block this stuff from happening.

 

[jonthefishguy]

I dont consider side business's a business unless you do it legally. I call those fly by nights. One day its up and the next day its gone. Your a child dabbling in the business world of selling livestock which is good. However, it isnt legal and I dont take it seriously but I do commend you on your willingness to try and make money for yourself. Although you have spent time and money on your project, you are not any different than those of us that do the same thing legally.

 

[zeke92]

all the livestock i sell are legal. my website is legal. what is illegal about my business?

 

[matt b]

Originally Posted by Jmick
When I was 9 I had a small company that sold lemonade and fruit punch and I employed my little brother and sister and by the time I was 10 I was a guru and had amassed a small jar of quarters!
In all seriousness, you are not making yourself look good here and should take a step back and think about what you are saying and the way you are presenting yourself.
im not saying i think what zeke dose with the hacking is ok BUT you are making yourself look bad IMO.. its not the 80s any more kids can do and know more then you think!!!

 

[zeke92]

Originally Posted by MaTT B
im not saying i think what zeke dose with the hacking is ok BUT you are making yourself look bad IMO.. its not the 80s any more kids can do and know more then you think!!!
i <3 Matt B

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by zeke92
all the livestock i sell are legal. my website is legal. what is illegal about my business?
I'd imagine you'd need a license of some sort...
Also, I'd love to see some pics of your set up.

 

[zeke92]

nothing I'm doing right now is illegal. but i am gonna try to get my business legalized as an official business.
i'm just hoping it don't cost a ton of money or something

 

[jonthefishguy]

Do you pay/charge taxes? Are you registered with your local county courts?How about the State comptrollers office? I am not trying to bash you, but there are more than just the simple stuff.

 

[jonthefishguy]

I hate to dissappoint you but unless you are 18, registering a business for yourself isnt going to happen unless your state somehow makes an exception. You are not legally old enough to make business decisions legally and therefor you will still have to run it the same. But good luck.

 

[zeke92]

sounds like your trying to bash me. all I've heard of to be an official business is to get a liscence thing from he secretary of state.
and when i said the stuff about the seahorse and stuff i keep forgetting this is a fish forum and you guys kinda know that stuff