All Of My New Fish Are Dead!!!!! Need Some Help.

[hlcroghan]

Originally Posted by tdog7879
http:///forum/post/2975634
I dont even drip my corals for that long.....I guess fish are more sensitive than corals

I will drip the fish for longer than normal and see what happens.......Also in first post i said i would float the bag for 15min and then drip for 15 min. I guess you guys dont think thats long enough if everone is saying PUT ON THE BRAKES....gosh settle down people its my money im wasting not yours.....When i got the yellow tang and the clowns i just let them float in the bag and drop them in and there doing great so is the scooter..Thats why i was saying i got a new shipment of fish from the fish store except for the scooter that had been there for a while.
yes they actually can be more sensitive and inverts are even more so. there are several fish that require 3 or more hours of acclimation time with the drip method. I actually don't float the bag at all and let the drip cause the temp to regulate but then I drip them for an hour or more depending on the fish. Some fish can take being dropped in but honesly you will have a ton more success if you are a bit more patient in your choices.
I know that people on here can seem kind of like they are jumping on you but they genuinely want to see your fish do well and for you not to be frustrated and needlessly kill fish or spend more money than necessary. However, with you saying it's no big deal if you just throw them in, it makes some people on here grit their teeth like nails across a chalkboard, so take it with a grain of salt and remember we are all here to enjoy and learn....

 

[the_hadleys]

Well said hlcroghan.
Dude yourself. I don't mean to jump on you... I just hate to know they might be suffering because of impatience... And yes you eat fish but I assume (maybe that's my problem) that you're in the hobby because you enjoy fish and caring for their needs - just as someone with a cat or a dog would own a cat or a dog.... I also assume that you're not keeping a SW tank so you can eat the fish you put in it.

 

[tdog7879]

Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2975677
yes they actually can be more sensitive and inverts are even more so. there are several fish that require 3 or more hours of acclimation time with the drip method. I actually don't float the bag at all and let the drip cause the temp to regulate but then I drip them for an hour or more depending on the fish. Some fish can take being dropped in but honesly you will have a ton more success if you are a bit more patient in your choices.
I know that people on here can seem kind of like they are jumping on you but they genuinely want to see your fish do well and for you not to be frustrated and needlessly kill fish or spend more money than necessary. However, with you saying it's no big deal if you just throw them in, it makes some people on here grit their teeth like nails across a chalkboard, so take it with a grain of salt and remember we are all here to enjoy and learn....

NOW ......Thats a good post!!! but i never said i throw the fish in...thats what a lot of fish store do. Thanks

 

[the_hadleys]

You asked for help and opinions tdog7879, that's all we were giving you.

 

[tdog7879]

Originally Posted by The_Hadleys
http:///forum/post/2975687
Well said hlcroghan.
Dude yourself. I don't mean to jump on you... I just hate to know they might be suffering because of impatience... And yes you eat fish but I assume (maybe that's my problem) that you're in the hobby because you enjoy fish and caring for their needs - just as someone with a cat or a dog would own a cat or a dog.... I also assume that you're not keeping a SW tank so you can eat the fish you put in it.
Yea i just by fish and toss them and fatting them up and then i go get my fishing poll an do some fishing!! then i brake out the frying pain

But in the mean i bust my a&% to keep my corals happy

 

[hlcroghan]

Originally Posted by tdog7879
http:///forum/post/2975809
Yea i just by fish and toss them and fatting them up and then i go get my fishing poll an do some fishing!! then i brake out the frying pain

But in the mean i bust my a&% to keep my corals happy

Well, my recommendation would be a large grouper with a varied diet of lean shellfish and white fish and then when he is nice and fat........BREAk OUT the fishin' pole!!!! Whoo hoo....good eatin' in the neighborhood! And....he won't bother your corals!!

 

[tdog7879]

Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2976024
Well, my recommendation would be a large grouper with a varied diet of lean shellfish and white fish and then when he is nice and fat........BREAk OUT the fishin' pole!!!! Whoo hoo....good eatin' in the neighborhood! And....he won't bother your corals!!

fried grouper sandwich ...ummm ..my favorite!!!

 

[lauremf2002]

20 bucks is still 20 bucks in my book. I drip everything for at least an hour. I mean why not? Its not that much trouble and who wants to lose money even if it is just 20 dollars

 

[nigerbang]

Drip......whatever.. temp acclmate... never lost a fish in years of keeping..

 

[hlcroghan]

Originally Posted by NigerBang
http:///forum/post/2976348
Drip......whatever.. temp acclmate... never lost a fish in years of keeping..
Really? You don't drip your fish at all? I would be curious to know how you have been so lucky not to have any fish die at all?

 

[nigerbang]

Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2976378
Really? You don't drip your fish at all? I would be curious to know how you have been so lucky not to have any fish die at all?
After opening a bag that the fish has been transfered in it cause a ammonia spike.... Worked for me for the last 7 years...

 

[jerryatrick]

Tdog I would seriously consider the problem to be where you are purchasing these fish.
As for acclimation some of you folks need to realize that the old school folks are still floating and releasing without problems. I personally drip acclimate new fish for no more than 30 minutes. When I used to drip acclimate for over an hour I put a thermometer in there one time. The temp started out at 77 deg and had dropped to 73 deg in that hour. The dripping water from the tank that you are acclimating the fish to is not coming in fast enough to keep the water temp stable. So IMO the temp swings from acclimating to long are stressfull and not needed.
Tdog, I also read that you acclimate your corals longer than your fish? Why? Float the coral bag for 15 mins max and place the coral in the tank. Fish should be cared for more when acclimating.

 

[nigerbang]

copy and pasted
This advice will dissturb many old hands at the hobby, but there is sound reasoning behind it, and it has worked well for John and numerous retailers and hobbyists who have followed his advice. Why? While in their shipping bags in small volumes of water, fish are constantly excreting both ammonia (which can build up to harmful levels) and carbon dioxide (which lowers the pH). As soon as you open the bag at home, the CO2 begins to leave the water, and the pH rises, initiating a chain reaction that makes any ammonia in the bag more toxic, So as long as conditions in your tak are suitable, the faster the fish get out of the bag and into the water, the better."

 

[oceansidefish]

Personally I am most concerned with the addition of a Mandarin to a tank of your size that already has a scooter blenny. In this case you will have 2 fish competing for the same food source...In the case of your tank especially from the pics I have seen, and not knowing whether or not you have a refugium....Should definately stay away from placing a Mandarin in an already stressed pod population.

 

[tdog7879]

Originally Posted by Oceansidefish
http:///forum/post/2976441
Personally I am most concerned with the addition of a Mandarin to a tank of your size that already has a scooter blenny. In this case you will have 2 fish competing for the same food source...In the case of your tank especially from the pics I have seen, and not knowing whether or not you have a refugium....Should definately stay away from placing a Mandarin in an already stressed pod population.
I have a fuge loaded with tons of pods.....so whats your thought on that? I was also going to buy more triger pods(the ones in the bottle) to add even more to the system. Also thanks for all the advise from other people... I do agree that FS i go to could be a issue ...i have seen them get there shipments and they open the box ,pull the bags out and cut the bag scoop the fish in to the tank ....I normaly just get corals from this store and this is the first time in a long time that i have bought any fish.

 

[oceansidefish]

Originally Posted by tdog7879
http:///forum/post/2976516
I have a fuge loaded with tons of pods.....so whats your thought on that? I was also going to buy more triger pods(the ones in the bottle) to add even more to the system. Also thanks for all the advise from other people... I do agree that FS i go to could be a issue ...i have seen them get there shipments and they open the box ,pull the bags out and cut the bag scoop the fish in to the tank ....I normaly just get corals from this store and this is the first time in a long time that i have bought any fish.
Even with a fuge I would not risk adding a Mandarin...They eat hundreds of pods a day and your system would be depleted in no time. The pods in the bottle are expensive and unless you are ok with adding a bottle every other day after your pods are gone I would skip the Mandarin. You would maybe get a few months out of them at most before they BOTH starved to death.

 

[tdog7879]

Originally Posted by Oceansidefish
http:///forum/post/2976528
Even with a fuge I would not risk adding a Mandarin...They eat hundreds of pods a day and your system would be depleted in no time. The pods in the bottle are expensive and unless you are ok with adding a bottle every other day after your pods are gone I would skip the Mandarin. You would maybe get a few months out of them at most before they BOTH starved to death.
even though my tank has been set up for over a year? does anyone else have another opinion on this???

 

[gypsana]

Originally Posted by tdog7879
http:///forum/post/2976575
even though my tank has been set up for over a year? does anyone else have another opinion on this???
I started this hobby because of my love for Mandarins. After a lot of research I am not going to get one even though I have a 90+ gal with fuge and tons of pods. In my research I have come to realized that I can not afford to keep the pod population up enough and I would hate to see it starve to death. Very few people have had these fish for a long time. In the future if I can culture pods I will consider having one.

 

[life~reefer]

Originally Posted by Oceansidefish
http:///forum/post/2976528
Even with a fuge I would not risk adding a Mandarin...They eat hundreds of pods a day and your system would be depleted in no time. The pods in the bottle are expensive and unless you are ok with adding a bottle every other day after your pods are gone I would skip the Mandarin. You would maybe get a few months out of them at most before they BOTH starved to death.

Originally Posted by tdog7879
http:///forum/post/2976575
even though my tank has been set up for over a year? does anyone else have another opinion on this???
I don't want to get into this quarrel but i think a mandarin is fine in a tank that size after copepods have had time to multiply. I would wait a month more and add a bag of copepods each week just to be safe but that is just me. : )
PS: i see your from the hampton roads area what LFS do you go to?? Hopefully reef chief! Man i love that store!!

 

[tdog7879]

Originally Posted by Life~Reefer
http:///forum/post/2976609
I don't want to get into this quarrel but i think a mandarin is fine in a tank that size after copepods have had time to multiply. I would wait a month more and add a bag of copepods each week just to be safe but that is just me. : )
PS: i see your from the hampton roads area what LFS do you go to?? Hopefully reef chief! Man i love that store!!
Yes i do go to reef chief also animal jungle and sometime pet paradise...You should pm me and maybe we trade!!!!