All of this over cartoons?

[cowfishrule]

wow
this thread is more entertaining than i thought.
i could watch chappelle's show, or i could read through all this and enjoy more laughs.
keep up the good work!!
btw, raised as a catholic, in my adulthood i realized how religions are nothing but crap.
how about them apples?

 

[scubadoo]

At one point, Hilter ordered the Pope be kidnapped. he planned on instituting a National Socialism as a'new" global religion...as released in Jan, 2005. Socialism was the true religion...the rest was a dog and pony show used as a propaganda tool and to further the gathering of internal strength and power required for total control.
Throughout history and in recent history...radical nut jobs have slaughtered and murdered folks...plain and simple.
the Koran actually teaches this hatred and encourages it. I do not beleive the Christian Bible teaches hatred.....but, there are nut jobs that wish to interpret it this way. usually to promote some radical agenda and/or for personal gain financially.
You cannot compare what is taught in the Koran to what is taught in the Bible....too different. One is built on hatred...the other is not.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by 37g Joe
sorry about spelling errors I really need to proof read befor posting.
I usually take my glasses off when I am on the puter and then realize what a horrible job I have done typing when I put them back on. I don't worry about it.....not enough time.

 

[darth tang]

I wonder how many that defend the Muslim faith as peaceful, have actually read the Koran?

 

[teeny]

Originally Posted by waterpolo
Our history about racism isn't a reflection on us now. We were not a capitalist society when there was the union vs the confederates. The Union after they made their amendments prohibited slavery but the confederacy (the south) refused to free blacks. It was basically a nation split in half. A 3rd of the states that we have now did not exist back then so you can't say history "bites us in the butt" We were different back then.

i was not going to say anything about this topic but this one blew my mind. history will always bite us in the butt and we are not as different form back then as you think.
watch the movie CRASH and you will really change your mind.
the sterotyping is still around us, that is proven in this forum alone. someone else wrote hate breeds more hate, i think hate breeds fear and then more hatred. most people fear what they hate.
do i agree how the people are handling this "cartoon" issue, of course not but that is how most of them are raised. it sounds like most of you are pretty upset that we as americans sit back and allow racist, stertyping, and any other form of negative behavior happen, well that is our fault. there was another cartoon that was put out where they showed jesus being turned over to the pres. and someone else and jesus was listed as a traitor. why wouldn't you use your choice of "freedom of speech" and talk out about it? why would you allow that??
the difference between us and other countries is that we are afraid of getting sued for any stupid thing. that is why many folks choose to "ignore" it or remove articles from persons so not to offend.

 

[beth]

I think it is because we have a very high sense of freedom, including freedom to speak or display offensive things. So, you don't see riots over a cartoon in the West, instead you see discussion or debates about it. In Islam, they riot and kill to solve problems. And that is because they FEAR becoming like us, and will do anything to prevent that, even when their own people want to become more like us. And no, I don't mean adsorbed into our culture or tossing their religion aside. I mean embrace the basic values that we have regarding freedom for all, tolerance, acceptance, freedom to speak unafraid, freedom of religion, etc. It is that FEAR that drives all the fanatics in the Muslim world. They know that those ideals are a real threat to the totalitarianism that pervades most of their governments, belief systems and societies. So, they react violently, rather than reasonably.

 

[darth tang]

Originally Posted by Teeny
i was not going to say anything about this topic but this one blew my mind. history will always bite us in the butt and we are not as different form back then as you think.
watch the movie CRASH and you will really change your mind.
the sterotyping is still around us, that is proven in this forum alone. someone else wrote hate breeds more hate, i think hate breeds fear and then more hatred. most people fear what they hate.
do i agree how the people are handling this "cartoon" issue, of course not but that is how most of them are raised. it sounds like most of you are pretty upset that we as americans sit back and allow racist, stertyping, and any other form of negative behavior happen, well that is our fault. there was another cartoon that was put out where they showed jesus being turned over to the pres. and someone else and jesus was listed as a traitor. why wouldn't you use your choice of "freedom of speech" and talk out about it? why would you allow that??
the difference between us and other countries is that we are afraid of getting sued for any stupid thing. that is why many folks choose to "ignore" it or remove articles from persons so not to offend.
No, the difference is we , as a society, understand and tolerate a person's freedom of expression and speech. If we find something offensive we don't riot, destroy, and ask for death. We email or contact the institution or person in a civil manner. That is NOT what is being done in that part of they world. They have become violent over this and THAT is far more wrong. In reality it is just a picture or words..........and you can ignore it and go on about your daily lives without it affecting you. We do that in this country.
Now, does this country still have some racists...sure. Racism is something that will never be truly stamped out.....but here the norm is you are a civil racist ...there Racism ends in violence more times than not.
Here our leaders civily denounce such actions when necesarry. There, the governments incite the people further to action. Big difference.

 

[chipmaker]

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[chipmaker]

Muslims have more rights in this ocuntry than any othe religion. Look at the animals that rasied he double L because non muslims were handling their so called holy book the Koran, the wrath of the US Government came down. They get equipped i prison with any thing that they deem is part of their religion. But john doe the catholic, protesant, jew or athiest don;t have a chance in hades of getting half these anemities.........yet alone any action if someone throws a bible on the floor etc....If not liking a muslim is racist, I still would like to know how you feel its being racist....there are blacks, whites, asians, americans, germans, brits etc etc that are muslims. So if they are a muslim so be it , I certainly will not go out of my way to urinate on any of them if they were on fire outsdie my front door as long as they are a muslim......Now if you wanna talk about hating arabs, or somali's or Iraqi's etc, thats a whle new ball game.......that would be considered racisim.......still think it would be a super idea to turn that entire section of the world into a glass covered parking lot with a few nukes.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Here you go church boy...
...The actions of Hitler and the Nazis were as “Christian” as those of people during the Crusades or the Inquisition. Some leading Nazis preferred a neo-pagan theistic religion over Christianity, but this was never officially endorsed by the Nazi Party or by Adolf Hitler. Christians may not like seeing Nazism as having anything to do with Christianity, but Germany saw itself as a fundamentally Christian nation and millions of Christians in Germany enthusiastically endorsed Hitler and the Nazi Party, in part because they saw both as embodiments of German and Christian ideals.
Two things...
First... That's crap. The Nazi party did whatever it could to gain popularity in the masses... To call Germany a "Christian" nation during WW2 is insane. Iraq had a population of Assyrian Christians. We going to blame them for the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds? Of course not... If you spoke out against the policies of the government in Iraq you were killed. Same with Hitler in the 30's and 40's.
Second... Ya gonna try to blame the slaughter of civilians in Russia, China, and SE Asia on the "church" as well?

 

[darth tang]

Let's make it real simple. When was the last time a western government called for the extinction of an entire religion or race of people. Now...when was the last time this was done in the middle east, Africa, and Asia......Oh yeah, this morning. Enough Said.
Darth (Proud to be an American) Tang

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Teeny
do i agree how the people are handling this "cartoon" issue, of course not but that is how most of them are raised. it sounds like most of you are pretty upset that we as americans sit back and allow racist, stertyping, and any other form of negative behavior happen, well that is our fault. there was another cartoon that was put out where they showed jesus being turned over to the pres. and someone else and jesus was listed as a traitor. why wouldn't you use your choice of "freedom of speech" and talk out about it? why would you allow that??
Here are a couple of examples of how we do things in the "west".
Pat Roberson makes a dumb comment... Christian leaders immediately denounce it.
"Will and Grace" plan on mocking Christianity in an upcoming episode... concerned Christians complain to NBC.
"Book of Daniel" (correct title I think) got so many complaints they cancelled the show (certainly could have been bad ratings...).
Point is, Christians didn't storm NBC and burn buildings down... or threaten to kidnap and behead execs.
Freedom of Speech should be protected.. for and against something. Rioting and calling for violence, however, is not "freedom of speech".

 

[petieaztec]

Originally Posted by mudplayerx
I don't hate the arab man. I fear him.
Sorry this is a little late but we fear everything we are unsure of. i know i have not been in the ocean for two years because i am afriad of sharks and i have not heard of a shark attack in CA for awhile. the same is true for for mud's comment we don't know what people are capable of so we fear them.

 

[37g joe]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Here you go church boy...
Traditional evaluation of Christian complicity in the Holocaust and other Nazi crimes focuses on the degree to which Christians allowed themselves to be used for Nazi purposes, but this presupposes a distinction between Nazis and Christians which didn’t exist. Christians actively supported the Nazi agenda. Most Nazis were devout Christians and believed that Nazi philosophy was animated by Christian doctrine.
Christians today find it implausible that their religion could have anything in common with Nazism, but they need to recognize that Christianity — including their own — is always conditioned by the culture around it. For Germans at the beginning of the 20th century, Christianity was often profoundly anti-Semitic and nationalistic. This was the same ground which the Nazis found so fertile for their own ideology — it would have been amazing had the two systems not found much in common and been unable to work together.
Nazi Christians didn’t abandon basic Christian doctrines, like the divinity of Jesus. Their oddest religious belief was a denial of the Jewishness of Jesus, but even today there are German Christians who object when Jesus’ Jewishness is focused upon. Nazi Christians didn’t follow an idiosyncratic version of Christianity nor was it “infected” with hate and nationalism. Everything about Nazi Christianity already existed in German Christianity before the Nazis came on the scene.
The actions of Hitler and the Nazis were as “Christian” as those of people during the Crusades or the Inquisition. Some leading Nazis preferred a neo-pagan theistic religion over Christianity, but this was never officially endorsed by the Nazi Party or by Adolf Hitler. Christians may not like seeing Nazism as having anything to do with Christianity, but Germany saw itself as a fundamentally Christian nation and millions of Christians in Germany enthusiastically endorsed Hitler and the Nazi Party, in part because they saw both as embodiments of German and Christian ideals.
actually Hitler was not a christian nor where the nazis they went towards more misticism & the occult. Hitler even made it a crime to have your child dedicate towards christ. He made them dedicate thier children under his name. Hitler perscuted Christians and jews alike. now if you want to bring up the spanish Inqusition then you have more of a point of where people who called themselves christians persecuted Jews. You have been hoodwink you have bought into the lies of the liberal agenda. I am personally Semitic (Jewish by nationailty/hebrew) but practice Christianity. What frustrates me is that people lie about the holcaost. and say things like hitler and the nasis where folowing christian Ideals. hitler killed church leaders and outlawed the church wherever he went. The Nazis and hitler where deep with in the occult in practices and cerimonies. The church was against the nazi party from the begining and they became an enemy of the nazi party. I dont know where you are geting your info but people like you are dangerous you are so stuborn to belive in false information you spout it off and make other people believe it.
As some one who is semitic and had family members who died in the holocost I am greatly offended by your coments you dishornor them.

 

[37g joe]

also hitler and the nazis belived that the german people where more evolved than other races and that jews and aficans where lless evolved and basicly animals. Where did they get these Ideas "Darwinism". The nazi party was on the secular side of the isle and liberals try to ignore that.

 

[scubadoo]

Sports is my religion....when my team wins the Super Bowl I shall return home and riot. Hopefully, it will not be next year as there is not much to burn down due to the katrina damage. Besides.....nothing will be dried out for 5 years :cheer:

:scared:

 

[petieaztec]

don't roit celebrate. be happy not mad about a good thing.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by petieaztec
Sorry this is a little late but we fear everything we are unsure of. i know i have not been in the ocean for two years because i am afriad of sharks and i have not heard of a shark attack in CA for awhile. the same is true for for mud's comment we don't know what people are capable of so we fear them.
You are correct..those that took part in 9/11 did not wear signs...so we must all view those that ressmble the enemy in a different light now. Sleeper cells are probably still present in this country due to our lack of border control.
The only thing I am pretty sure of we will be hit again ...and I applaud those that are doing whatever they can to prevent it this time....regardless what they must do on a daily basis....and what we must do.
This enemy is non-conventional...they do not ride into town with tanks and marching soldiers. They realize they will be elminated QUICKLY should they go the conventional route...but these rats usually move around under the cover of darkness...and so do roaches.

 

[scubadoo]

Originally Posted by petieaztec
don't roit celebrate. be happy not mad about a good thing.

I was joking... :cheer:

 

[petieaztec]

Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I was joking... :cheer:
I know, i was joking back, that is why i put the dancing guy.