Another Disgusting Oil Spill!!

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3268124
If the fishing grounds are spoiled what do you think it's going to cost BP? You are talking long term loss of how many people's livelyhoods? 5.5 Billion ain't squat, did you bother to look at their debt? If their income stream is dried up in legal costs and settlements it wont take long before they reach the brink. Same thing happened with WR Grace with Asbestos. Not to say they didn't deserve it but what happened is we the people ended up footing the costs once Grace declared bankruptsy. Worst thing for us would be BP sued to the point where they do the same.
I love how everyone involved was called in front of Congress for the usual dog and pony show. Congress takes the oil company money, I imagine before the hearing they laugh about the political theatre they are about to perform and afterwards all go out for dinner, confident they have pulled the wool over everyones eyes.....again. Is that too paranoid?
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3268265
Seems the boy is leaving out the 2001 cuts which created the 10% bracket while only droping the top bracket by 1 percent and that the 2003 cuts increased the income level for the 15% bracket by more than 10 grand. That had a huge effect on the lower middle class because the next bracket is 25% which is the biggest jump in the tax code.
Alan Colmes must have left that part out of his radio program............

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3268138
When the Bush cuts expire this year, the rates go back to the budget surplus, deficit reduction, booming job growth and economy of the Clinton years. Sad fact - I didn't vote for Clinton either time....
you forget a key fact, during the Bush tax cuts, we recieved far more revenue than we ever recieved during the clinton years. But don't let actual facts stand in your way...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3268269
you forget a key fact, during the Bush tax cuts, we recieved far more revenue than we ever recieved during the clinton years. But don't let actual facts stand in your way...
Here is a chart showing the percentage of GDP the deficite was following the tax cuts. Notice what they did after 2003 after Bush was finally able to get the size cuts he wanted on 01 and had to compromise on
Fiscal year (begins
10/01 of prev. year) Value % of GDP
2001 $144.5 billion 1.4%
2002 $409.5 billion 3.9%
2003 $589.0 billion 5.5%
2004 $605.0 billion 5.3%
2005 $523.0 billion 4.3%
2006 $536.5 billion 4.1%
2007 $459.5 billion 3.4%
2008 $962.0 billion (proj.) 6.8%

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3268267
Alan Colmes must have left that part out of his radio program............
Maybe it was Rachel Madcow

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3268272
Maybe it was Rachel Madcow
LOLl
Reef, the funny thing about Rachel Madcow is that Beck only crossed her once, say what you want about her politics, but she is smarter than Rush, Beck and Hannity combined. LOL
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3268274
LOLl
Reef, the funny thing about Rachel Madcow is that Beck only crossed her once, say what you want about her politics, but she is smarter than Rush, Beck and Hannity combined. LOL
Fishtaco
I don't find her to be overly graced in the brains department but she is probably the cream of the crop as far as BSNBC goes. I used to watch her show some before I finally got disgusted with that station and started watching CNN for alternate views. I wouldn't underestimate Beck. Once you get past the goofyness the guy is pretty smart. He certainly brings up a lot of interesting topics about people you don't hear anywhere else.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3268281
I don't find her to be overly graced in the brains department but she is probably the cream of the crop as far as BSNBC goes. I used to watch her show some before I finally got disgusted with that station and started watching CNN for alternate views. I wouldn't underestimate Beck. Once you get past the goofyness the guy is pretty smart. He certainly brings up a lot of interesting topics about people you don't hear anywhere else.
I'm still pretty much listening to NPR during the day to get my news, I know you think it is liberal, but they seem to go to some length to present both sides of the story, much more so than the 24 hour news places.
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My wife likes Rachel a lot and sometimes I pay attention to the show, I do think her work to expose C-Street has been pretty good and there are both dems and reps living there. As far as the rest of MSNBC, I do get some lols when Matthews asks GOP members of Congress if they think Obama is a legal citizen and they dance around the subject to avoid the wraith of the wackos, other than that, they are just the mirror image of Fox.
Fishtaco

 

[stdreb27]

** shakes head*** I guess I should start calling myself an independent to be cool...

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3268281
I don't find her to be overly graced in the brains department but she is probably the cream of the crop as far as BSNBC goes. I used to watch her show some before I finally got disgusted with that station and started watching CNN for alternate views. I wouldn't underestimate Beck. Once you get past the goofyness the guy is pretty smart. He certainly brings up a lot of interesting topics about people you don't hear anywhere else.
Forgot to add, my wife does tend to lean towards the liberal view and we both post on another politcal forum. She is smart, always has her facts straight and is very welll written and I get a kick out of how hard of time some of the older conservative men have dealing with her. You just can't buy entertainment like that.
Fishtaco

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3268286
** shakes head*** I guess I should start calling myself an independent to be cool...
Hey, I can't help being cool or a independent voter, right now I have been trying to decide who to vote for in our governors race here in Oregon. I like the moderate Republican, but it kind of feels like throwing my vote away which is too bad.
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3268274
LOLl
Reef, the funny thing about Rachel Madcow is that Beck only crossed her once, say what you want about her politics, but she is smarter than Rush, Beck and Hannity combined. LOL
Fishtaco
If she is in debate I will grant you she can be ntelliggent, or atleast present a valid argument and back it up. Her radio show however throew around more insults and stereotypes about the other party than those three combined. She is no different than them, and if you think she is, you are fooling yourself.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3268288
Forgot to add, my wife does tend to lean towards the liberal view and we both post on another politcal forum. She is smart, always has her facts straight and is very welll written and I get a kick out of how hard of time some of the older conservative men have dealing with her. You just can't buy entertainment like that.
Fishtaco
you should get her to join...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3268289
Hey, I can't help being cool or a independent voter, right now I have been trying to decide who to vote for in our governors race here in Oregon. I like the moderate Republican, but it kind of feels like throwing my vote away which is too bad.
Fishtaco
There is no such thing as an independent voter if you follow or listen to politics. The independents are those that don't. Those that can be swayed by speech. Those of us that actually hold opinions and views are not independant.
re you independant on abortion or do you have a personal view?
Are you indepedant on taxes or do you have an opinion?
are you indepedant on gun ownership or do you have a position.
Independant means you do not affiliate with an opinion or belief.
You do, you are not independant...you are moderate or left of center....

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3268291
If she is in debate I will grant you she can be ntelliggent, or atleast present a valid argument and back it up. Her radio show however throew around more insults and stereotypes about the other party than those three combined. She is no different than them, and if you think she is, you are fooling yourself.
Darth, that's all I was saying, I never listened to Air America and only know her from seeing her on MSNBC. The only reason I watch at all is because my wife watches her a couple times a week and sometimes I sit down and watch too. I was commenting on when I saw her rebuttal after Beck went after her, she presented her side and looked the camera in the eye and told Beck to back-off and to the best of my knowledge he did which was funny.
Fishtaco

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3268292
you should get her to join...
No, it would not be as much fun, you guys would be too nice and the entertainment value would be slim to none. Besides I need my own space.
Fishtaco

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3268293
There is no such thing as an independent voter if you follow or listen to politics. The independents are those that don't. Those that can be swayed by speech. Those of us that actually hold opinions and views are not independant.
re you independant on abortion or do you have a personal view?
Are you indepedant on taxes or do you have an opinion?
are you indepedant on gun ownership or do you have a position.
Independant means you do not affiliate with an opinion or belief.
You do, you are not independant...you are moderate or left of center....
Darth, I call myself an independant because that is how I am registered for voting, if it will make you happy I have no problems with the term moderate to describe my political views.
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3268298
Darth, I call myself an independant because that is how I am registered for voting, if it will make you happy I have no problems with the term moderate to describe my political views.
Fishtaco
That is much better actually. I hate when people claim to be independant. No one is indepedant. therer is always a group a person most likely affiliates with.
But are you moderate?
The last four election, how did you vote?

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3268307
That is much better actually. I hate when people claim to be independant. No one is indepedant. therer is always a group a person most likely affiliates with.
But are you moderate?
The last four election, how did you vote?
Local elections I am all over the board, but I try not to vote for either far-left or far-right canidates. National elections, I voted Dem, Rep, Dem and Dem but did not feel good about any of the votes I cast, I detest the lesser of two evils thing that it always boils down to. I would have voted for Romney last time if he had got that far.
Fishtaco

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3268296
No, it would not be as much fun, you guys would be too nice and the entertainment value would be slim to none. Besides I need my own space.
Fishtaco
I dunno, as far as I'm concerned a good argument for liberal ideas spoken from a liberal is a a 4 leaf clover...
So I'm always curious when someone says well articulated liberal ideas...