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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2919868
So you would rather see your children pouring soup at a soup kitchen for the homeless than ensuring they learn the basic educational needs needed to succeed and learn the history of this country and the foundations of its laws and such. So basically you would rather them prepare for a job flipping fries than learning the stuff needed to code new computer programs or the math skills needed to be an accountant. Nice.
When's the last time you've spoken to a high school student? Virtually every college admissions form for any higher institution of learning asks about what extracirricular and COMMUNITY SERVICE projects and time has a student performed while attending school. If you leave it blank, you might as well not apply. My daughter's high school allows juniors and seniors to use their study periods to plan their community service projects. It has nothing to do with being 'forced' to assist with your community. If you raise your children properly, it should be something expected from them. Doing community service doesn't interrupt or interfere with a child's education. 95% of community service is done after school hours. My daughters always do theirs during the summer break. You'd rather have your kids become one of the obesity statistic, spoiled lazy brats in this society that would rather spend the day at the mall, or go tagging some wall instead of taking a couple hours out of their day helping someone else besides themselves. Those are the kids who WILL be flipping the burgers all their lives, because no decent college will let them in. I can see where your priorities in life are.
As far as getting an education?
Have you looked at your state's requirements for graduation and grade promotion? Texas has the glorious TAKS test. They require kids starting in 3rd grade to pass at least the Reading and Math portion of the test. Teachers from grades K - 12 no longer teach traditional cirriculum. They spend the entire day 'Teaching the TAKS'. They have 'TAKS DAY Pep Rallys' on test day. 3rd grade kids refuse to go to school because they're afraid they won't pass and get held back. Some get physically ill worrying about it. My daughter's high school denys juniors and seniors their off-campus lunch periods if they fail even one of their TAKS test. Both my daughters are A/B honor students in the Top 5% of their classes. Both take AP and Honor classes. But if they fail even ONE of their TAKS tests, they don't get promoted or can graduate from high school. I worry about this with my older daughter because she has always stuggled taking standardized tests. Don't know if it's a mental block, or her ADHD. She just has a hard time taking them. So even though she excels in her classwork, making 90's or higher in all her tests, she could potentially be refused to graduate because the Federal and Texas State Government says she has to pass some stupid test. The educational system in this country has gone down the tubes ever since Bush and his cronies enacted No Child Left Behind. The government forces my kids to take some test to prove they know the basic skills, yet the teachers don't even teach those skills any longer. Tell me again how great THIS socialized program is?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2919937
Tell me again how great THIS socialized program is?
Nice long post. didn't need to write it. Could have just wrote this and I would have responded. I NEVER said this program was great. What I commented on was YOU stating you would rather have your children doing community service rather than learn the requirements on Basic skills testing. You said you would essentially rather see you child, plant a tree or serve soup in a soup kitchen than learn basic math. That IS what YOU said.
I never said no child left behind was great.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Bionic, we have something similar in Florida, the FCAT. You take it in 3rd grade, and get till 5th grade to pass it, then again in 10th grade and have till you are suppose to graduate.
But honestly, if a student is having that hard of a time, passing a standardized test, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE THEY GOING TO HANDLE COLLEGE EXAMS??? If higher education is their goal? The tests have gotten harder since I took them, now include science which I'm all for, but they aren't anything close to a upperclassmen exam in college.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2919924
Wow. Well I'll start off by saying that there are a lot people who support Obama just because he is Obama and they should really support him based on who he is and what he stands for. In the same right there are a lot of people who do not support Obama simply because someone told them he's a socialist (which is untrue), or because they are hard core republicans that would vote for Satan if he were on the Republican ticket. It can be argued that Satan has already been on the Repub ticket and will shortly be leaving office, but I won't go there. I just wanted to clear the air, I support him because of what he stands for and he is a more honorable man than most in politics. Another reason I support him is because the man actually did get to where he is today by his own doing, unlike most past presidents or future presidential hopefuls who were born into wealthy families that groomed them for politics since they were little because they already had their filthy fingers in Congress or the Senate.
I imagine that you're basis for saying that if the kid wants to sit and text all day he should is because we live in America and we're all free to do whatever we want. True, we live in a free country (mostly), but there are certain things you have to do aren't there? You're children HAVE to go to school, or be home schooled, you have to have a job unless you want to live on the street, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. So, when people make comments like yours what they are basically saying is: "I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE BUT MYSELF AND IF SOME KIDS ARE GOING TO BE STUPID WASTES OF LIFE COLLECTING WELFARE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO BUSY TEXTING ALL DAY INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE, THEN BY ALL MEANS AS LONG AS IS DOESN'T AFFECT ME" Guess what though? Those fat lards that sit at home all day, don't know how to put a sentence together, and play xbox live all day yelling insults at anyone who isn't american are affecting you...because your tax money goes to supporting them in their do nothing life because obesity is a "disease" now and you are handicapped if you're obese. So not only do they get the best parking, but you pay for their gas and the grease filled food they're going to buy after they wheel themselves into the restaurant on their power scooter that you also paid for through medicare/medicaid (which are socialized medicine BTW). So, tell you're grandparents that they're communist for using medicare/medicaid and collecting Social Security (which is also a socialist program in case the name didn't give it away). Pretty much anything that the government chooses to do for all of the citizens of the U.S. is socialism because it affects every single person uniformly. I'm tired of people saying that anything that this man proposes is socialism. What about the blatant removal of our rights given to us by the constitution that was the Patriot Act that was given to us by the almighty GWB?
BTW, standardized tests like SAT's or PSAT's are good to gauge the intelligence of the student when leaving high school to be accepted into college. These are good tests. The No Child Left Behind b.s. is absolute garbage (and is totally socialist). I'll tell you why its bad, the kids need to pass the test to go to the next grade and for the teacher to keep his/her job. So what happens? The teachers only teach the exact stuff that will be on the tests. There's no open discussion or elaboration on things in classrooms anymore just: "learn this and pass the test".
P.S. I'm totally not against social security or medicare, but I just wanted to point out that those are in theory socialist programs.
When did I say it was cool that people were munching off medicare/aid?
Stop and sit back and think way these kids are a lazy/unmotivated as they are... PARENTS. Their parents are the ones paying the bills, their xbox live, their cell phones. They're the ones who never motivated their children to 'do the right thing.' And chances are, the kids are still going asking their parents for hand outs till they're 30. Or, the kids are just a direct reflection of their parents, who are cheating the system, in which case, the kids are destined to be slackers anyways. But for every person who might cheat the system, the economy gains a burger flipper, dryclean operator, car wash operator, etc...
Most of those socialist programs I'm not cool with and would love to see most of them removed. But that's a different thread.
Can you specifically outline (direct quote) what part of the Patriot Act you don't agree with?
 

stevedave08

Member
Alright, now let's all get along. I'm 26 and I graduated high school at 17. STandardaized tests should not be used for grade promotions. Like I said before, SAT's and PSAT's for college are one thing, but when you have a tsandardized test for every year to pass to the next grade then you'll have teachers who only teach the basic crap on the test and not anything else. They call them FCATS here in Florida...such garbage. Anyway, I'm gonna go stare at my empty 75 gal. on it's stand cause my equipment hasn't gotten here yet. Take care.
 

gypsana

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2919924
Wow. Well I'll start off by saying that there are a lot people who support Obama just because he is Obama and they should really support him based on who he is and what he stands for. In the same right there are a lot of people who do not support Obama simply because someone told them he's a socialist (which is untrue), or because they are hard core republicans that would vote for Satan if he were on the Republican ticket. It can be argued that Satan has already been on the Repub ticket and will shortly be leaving office, but I won't go there. I just wanted to clear the air, I support him because of what he stands for and he is a more honorable man than most in politics. Another reason I support him is because the man actually did get to where he is today by his own doing, unlike most past presidents or future presidential hopefuls who were born into wealthy families that groomed them for politics since they were little because they already had their filthy fingers in Congress or the Senate.
1. I will not support someone who's policies I do not believe in.
2. He is a socialist and are most democrats
3. I am not a Republican, nor would vote for satan if I knew it to be satan (a lot of politicians are close enough in my opinion!)
4.How did he get where he is today? He is wealthy and corrupt! And claiming that he is honorable will be proven to be a lie. The person spearheading the birth certificate lawsiuts is a Democrat by the way.
 

stevedave08

Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2919980
When did I say it was cool that people were munching off medicare/aid?
Stop and sit back and think way these kids are a lazy/unmotivated as they are... PARENTS. Their parents are the ones paying the bills, their xbox live, their cell phones. They're the ones who never motivated their children to 'do the right thing.' And chances are, the kids are still going asking their parents for hand outs till they're 30. Or, the kids are just a direct reflection of their parents, who are cheating the system, in which case, the kids are destined to be slackers anyways. But for every person who might cheat the system, the economy gains a burger flipper, dryclean operator, car wash operator, etc...
Most of those socialist programs I'm not cool with and would love to see most of them removed. But that's a different thread.
Can you specifically outline (direct quote) what part of the Patriot Act you don't agree with?
I agree that kids are a direct result of how their parents raise them. I didn't say that you thought it was cool to munch of medicare. I was using medicare as an example because a lot of these dumb kids do end up at home, not working, collecting unemployment and on medicare. However, as much as kids are a result of their upbringing, if they are exposed to other things like caring for others or putting some community service time , they may be exposed to how real the world really is as oppsed to the virtual, gaming, texting world they live in at the moment. I personally worked 50 community service hours every year since 6th grade through 12th and I'm a better person for it for sure. Did it teach me everythig I needed to know about life? No...but it was a learning experience.
 

jp30338

Member
Since this thread has turned political and Obama is OFFICIAL.
All you Obama bashers you are the minority. 69,456,897-popular vote
 

stevedave08

Member
Originally Posted by gypsana
http:///forum/post/2919990
1. I will not support someone who's policies I do not believe in.
2. He is a socialist and are most democrats
3. I am not a Republican, nor would vote for satan if I knew it to be satan (a lot of politicians are close enough in my opinion!)
4.How did he get where he is today? He is wealthy and corrupt! And claiming that he is honorable will be proven to be a lie. The person spearheading the birth certificate lawsiuts is a Democrat by the way.
1. Good for you, you don't need to support anyone who's policies you don't agree with. Do you have better ones?
2. Socialist is a term thrown around so quickly these days...may I have some proof of this?
3. I agree, most politicians are close enough.
4. He wasn't always wealthy, and the wealth he does have is well deserved after busting his tail his whole life and graduating from Harvard law. The corrupt thing, what are you going to say? Rezko? WOW.
5. The birth certificate lawsuits are full of S and the supposed democrat spearheading it is probably a) not really a democrat or b) A scorned Hillary supporter
BTW, I have no party affiliation, I just call them how I see them. Most people who bash Obama are just throwing out empty words, with no factual information to back up their thoughts, or in this case, other people's thoughts that they are just regurgitating. Oh, and one last thing. I love when people talk about bias media, but never mention fox news' unhealthy hatred of our new Commander in Chief.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2919976
Bionic, we have something similar in Florida, the FCAT. You take it in 3rd grade, and get till 5th grade to pass it, then again in 10th grade and have till you are suppose to graduate.
But honestly, if a student is having that hard of a time, passing a standardized test, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE THEY GOING TO HANDLE COLLEGE EXAMS??? If higher education is their goal? The tests have gotten harder since I took them, now include science which I'm all for, but they aren't anything close to a upperclassmen exam in college.
Most college exams are not standardized tests. You normally have to take the SAT or PSAT to get a score to get into a college, but most college courses don't structure their normal exams like the state standardized tests. The TAKS tests in Texas are pretty much the equivalent of a final exam. They cover every topic taught during the entire school year. The high school exams go back to courses taken in 9th grade. You have the 11th and 12th grade to pass the four (now five) exams. How much information from your 9th grade classes do you remember? The TAKS is equivalent to you spending an entire semester in a college class, and ONE test determines whether you'll pass that class or not. How many college courses did you take that your requirements for passing that course were based on one grade from a single test? Like I said, some students have a hard time taking standardized tests that cover such a wide variety of information. Most kids who are in the Top 10% of their class regard the tests as simplistic. It's the kids who have retention problems (like my daughter with ADHD), and the kids who just have mental blocks with these type of tests who fail. I know a girl that was an A/B student who tried every chance she had to pass her Math TAKS test to graduate and couldn't. She ended up not being able to graduate with her class, and wasn't allowed to walk up the stage with her fellow students to get her diploma. She ended up taking and passing the GED equivalent test to get her high school diploma to go to college. Her parents spent over $2000 at one of those Sylvan Learning Centers to 'teach' her how to take the SAT. She got an 1850 and was admitted to UT Austin. What's laughable is one of her first classes was a Pre-Calculus course. She passed the class with a 95 average.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2919924
Wow. Well I'll start off by saying that there are a lot people who support Obama just because he is Obama and they should really support him based on who he is and what he stands for. In the same right there are a lot of people who do not support Obama simply because someone told them he's a socialist (which is untrue), or because they are hard core republicans that would vote for Satan if he were on the Republican ticket. It can be argued that Satan has already been on the Repub ticket and will shortly be leaving office, but I won't go there. I just wanted to clear the air, I support him because of what he stands for and he is a more honorable man than most in politics. Another reason I support him is because the man actually did get to where he is today by his own doing, unlike most past presidents or future presidential hopefuls who were born into wealthy families that groomed them for politics since they were little because they already had their filthy fingers in Congress or the Senate.
Obama got to where he is today via "The Chicago Political Machine" Not his own doing.He has no record other than voting present a lot .No one really knows where he stands because he has kept his past secret.At this point he has nothing but words to run on.
As to the one you refer to as Satan leaving office,his presidency may have been different all together had we not been attacked 9/11,The fact is we havent again since, and to his credit we are a much safer country today. The outgoing and the incoming Presidents have different circumstances that will form their legacy, not necessarily the way they would like but thats the way it is none the less.
I didnt vote for Obama ,but i will give him a chance before i start ripping him .I hope for the sake of our country he is a good President,time will tell.
 

stevedave08

Member
Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2920051
Obama got to where he is today via "The Chicago Political Machine" Not his own doing.He has no record other than voting present a lot .No one really knows where he stands because he has kept his past secret.At this point he has nothing but words to run on.
As to the one you refer to as Satan leaving office,his presidency may have been different all together had we not been attacked 9/11,The fact is we havent again since, and to his credit we are a much safer country today. The outgoing and the incoming Presidents have different circumstances that will form their legacy, not necessarily the way they would like but thats the way it is none the less.
I didnt vote for Obama ,but i will give him a chance before i start ripping him .I hope for the sake of our country he is a good President,time will tell.
Say what you want, but don't bring up something like 9/11 to cover up the idiocy of our now previous president. The guy is a goofball idiot that is probably a cool dude to go have a beer with, but not a person who should have been president...twice! The U.S. has been the laughing stock of the world for the past 8 years because we had a doof for a president. Seriously, I wouldn't wish something like 9/11 happening under any president's watch and granted it's no easy thing to deal with as POTUS, but the guy is just dumb. We haven't been attacked because security nationwide was tightened and the Dept of Homeland security was created(which was not his idea).Oh, and I'm sorry the "Chicago Political Machine" you speak of, doesn't get people elected president. You've got to do that on your own and apparently the majority of Americans agreed that Obama was the better choice. It's not like he stole an election like GWB, he was actually elected BY THE PEOPLE. I just hope there are more people like you, willing to say, let's give him a chance and see what happens. Hopefully things will get better. Random fact: I own two mini dachshunds.
 

gypsana

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2920009
1. Good for you, you don't need to support anyone who's policies you don't agree with. Do you have better ones?
2. Socialist is a term thrown around so quickly these days...may I have some proof of this?
3. I agree, most politicians are close enough.
4. He wasn't always wealthy, and the wealth he does have is well deserved after busting his tail his whole life and graduating from Harvard law. The corrupt thing, what are you going to say? Rezko? WOW.
5. The birth certificate lawsuits are full of S and the supposed democrat spearheading it is probably a) not really a democrat or b) A scorned Hillary supporter
BTW, I have no party affiliation, I just call them how I see them. Most people who bash Obama are just throwing out empty words, with no factual information to back up their thoughts, or in this case, other people's thoughts that they are just regurgitating. Oh, and one last thing. I love when people talk about bias media, but never mention fox news' unhealthy hatred of our new Commander in Chief.

1. Yes I do
2. You will have to do your own research, I can not write an essay on here.
3.Fair enough
4.One can not go to Harvard on pennies.
5. He is neither, he is a lawyer that respects or constitution as everyone should and he is not alone in his fight. You base an opinion on no research or facts. If it is fully of S than why has he not provided it. Easy enough for anyone to do, if they have one.
BTW I do not watch TV.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2920059
The U.S. has been the laughing stock of the world for the past 8 years because we had a doof for a president.
Yet he has an 80% approval rating in the continent of Africa....figure that out.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/2919924
.... It can be argued that Satan has already been on the Repub ticket ....
As a staunch Conservative and a somewhat educated student of theology I can safely say; No it cannot be argued.
 

stevedave08

Member
Originally Posted by gypsana
http:///forum/post/2920064
1. Yes I do
2. You will have to do your own research, I can not write an essay on here.
3.Fair enough
4.One can not go to Harvard on pennies.
5. He is neither, he is a lawyer that respects or constitution as everyone should and he is not alone in his fight. You base an opinion on no research or facts. If it is fully of S than why has he not provided it. Easy enough for anyone to do, if they have one.
BTW I do not watch TV.
1. Then maybe you can run for president one day and put your ideas out there because we all have that right.
2. A typical response, but then again maybe you really don't want to write an essay.
3. Agreed
4. One can go to Harvard with no pennies as long as you are smart enough to get a scholarship, and you are able to get student loans. That is how he went to Harvard, his grandparents weren't wealthy. In fact he just recently paid off his student loans.
5.In the last month of the presidential race I remember several media outlets showing a birth certificate which was given out by the Obama campaign. I can't be sure cause I don't remember, but either way I believe it's being done for media attention and by people who refuse to beleive he actually won on his merit and choose to keep hating him.
BTW congrats on not watching t.v....i wish I didn't.
Random fact: I like pygmy chameleons.
 

stevedave08

Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2920069
Yet he has an 80% approval rating in the continent of Africa....figure that out.
Right and about a 30% approval rating here in the United States. Maybe GWB should go be president of Africa and send all of their children to war for no reason. I bet his approval rating would drop then.
War in Afghanistan = Justified (They were hiding Al-qaeda)
War in Iraq = Not justified ("They tried to kill my daddy!')
 
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