Away With The Irs!!!

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
aztec the irs has nothing to do with illegals and your right we should eliminate illegals comeing across the border and get rid of welfare so people will actually work and take there place

how can the Illegals Not have anything to do with the IRS???? and Yet we still debating how much Illegals are taking advantage of the tax system.. isn't the taxes the IRS??

 

[shogun323]

I used to run a kitchen for Sweet Tomatoes (aka Souplantation out west) and I remember when we turned down a hispanic applicant in his 20's by saying, " I am sorry but according to your social security number, you are a 65 year old dead white man."

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Quite a few Illegals do pay income taxes. They steal the social security number of some poor slob who then gets to spend months, if not years trying to prove it was not them working a second job. The illegal scumbag that steals the number just claims a dozen expemptions so they pay nothing but FICA taxes. The Social Security administration estimates the costs to correct the files to be from 500 to 1500 dollars per incident depending on the particular situation.

ok, do you think that doesn't benefit the IRS????cause like i said it before they do NOT get refunded!!! so yes, they do claim alot of exemptions but not 12, The reason Illegals do this : they figure, well if we'are NOT getting refunded, then we best get it ourselfs.. but believe me, that doesn't even compare how much the IRS ends up keeping from all the Illegals being employed...
SSA office should work together with the IRS so that that doesn't happend...
I should work at the IRS.. i have a lot of BS to tell those guys

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by shogun323
I used to run a kitchen for Sweet Tomatoes (aka Souplantation out west) and I remember when we turned down a hispanic applicant in his 20's by saying, " I am sorry but according to your social security number, you are a 65 year old dead white man."
That's all it takes

 

[nvmycj]

Originally Posted by SaltyCrab
I didnt read the entire thread so I dont know if this point was made but If this ever happened everyone would be buying their products on the internet and be dodging sales tax even if it was law. If this ever goes into effect invest heavily in UPS because their stock will probably triple.

Not true. It wouldn't matter where you buy you stuff, be it on-line or WalMart. You're still gonna pay 15%, no matter what or where.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
ok, do you think that doesn't benefit the IRS????cause like i said it before they do NOT get refunded!!! so yes, they do claim alot of exemptions but not 12, The reason Illegals do this : they figure, well if we'are NOT getting refunded, then we best get it ourselfs.. but believe me, that doesn't even compare how much the IRS ends up keeping from all the Illegals being employed...
SSA office should work together with the IRS so that that doesn't happend...
I should work at the IRS.. i have a lot of BS to tell those guys

Hello, They do indeed claim enough exemptions that not a dime in income tax is collected on their pay, how does that benefit the IRS?. The IRS still must do all the paperwork and then go through the nightmare of sorting out all the fraudulent uses of the Social Security numbers. Not only are no income taxes collected but their is a lot of extra work, net loss to the IRS>

 

[reefforbrains]

Aztec, your spinning your wheels when you have already nailed it on the head.
Enforcment at the individual company and personal level for HR and documentation practices with existing fines and procedures WILL fix the situation.
We already have all the system in place, it is just not enforced. Too many people have bleeding hearts thinking "aww they work so hard and want to try and better thier lives. They will do menial work for dirt wages, why is everyone so hard on them?"
Thats exactly the problem. (albeit completley off topic from the OP) you really have already illustrated that illegals cost the economy money and hurt the average citizen. Fraudent papers and doctored I9s that work the system so the particular worker in question already pays far less taxes is correct, but even if its a single dollar they pay in, that is still money that puts monkey wrenches in the system for the IRS. If its money earned here in the states then it should be eligible for taxation here in the states IMO. So I consider it stealing by the employee rather than stealing by the Government since they do not issue refunds to those people that payed even a single dollar but cannot collect on it come tax time because they have used fraudulent information.
Its only the catch 22 for workers with false docs not getting a refund to begin with so they would naturally want to minimize the taxes they pay during the year. Sounds logical and fair from the workers standpoint. But it is illegal and not enforced.
If it were to be enforced the whole run around by worker and government would end because the same loopholes that let the individual work illegally are the same ones that screw the economy, and screw that employee when its tax time would ALL be closed by simple enforcement of already existing laws.
The effects of a single, or even a thousand illegal/false documented workers is dilluted in the workforce so the individual tab for each of us legitimate tax payers is very small in everyones mind. But once you quantify that re-distribution of taxes we the tax payers, pay out- it is staggering for something that seems so trivial.
Sorry if I went in a few circles but back to the OP's Question about flat tax.
If flat tax were in place it would still create many loopholes such as if I put my money into a high yeild gold account at any standard bank and got back 7% APR I would effectivly never pay taxes again. Sure I would pay on the money I spent bt the money I made on intrest would be far more than the money I had to pay out.
Rich WOULD get richer, poor would be struggling......but thats life IMO

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Hello, They do indeed claim enough exemptions that not a dime in income tax is collected on their pay, how does that benefit the IRS?. The IRS still must do all the paperwork and then go through the nightmare of sorting out all the fraudulent uses of the Social Security numbers. Not only are no income taxes collected but their is a lot of extra work, net loss to the IRS>

I have to keep spinning my wheels on this, cause of this Nonsense..
So they do claim a lot of exemptions..So if the IRS and the Illegals don't keep that money. where is it????? is it going up in smoke?
So the IRS is going through a lot of trouble.. whoop tee doo...Why don't they stop that problem.. that's is not a NEW problem ..it's been like that decades ago..Do you think maybe cause they're getting payed well for their trouble..cause if it was an Economical explotacion, don't you think the IRS will be all over it????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
i'm done with the Illegals..Now
flat tax: what about the people that buy stuff at the bidding joints or through the internet, are those people going to get taxed or are the sites. or is it going to stay the same???
how does society benefit from this tax form? we all know , that we have eat and live thus why is obvious that we'll spend money forever..I see how that makes sense..
let me bring Illegals up for just a second, lets say all this Illegals keep working Illegally, they're not going to get taxed. but they do buy groceries, so that makes sense, what about the money that gets sent back south? is that going to get taxed? it should.
IRS looks at it like this: Every single person on America buys stuff, food , electronics, ect.. But does everybody in America work?????????????????

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
I have to keep spinning my wheels on this, cause of this Nonsense..
So they do claim a lot of exemptions..So if the IRS and the Illegals don't keep that money. where is it????? is it going up in smoke?
So the IRS is going through a lot of trouble.. whoop tee doo...Why don't they stop that problem.. that's is not a NEW problem ..it's been like that decades ago..Do you think maybe cause they're getting payed well for their trouble..cause if it was an Economical explotacion, don't you think the IRS will be all over it????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
you're talking here about someone who comes to the US ILLEGALLY, then STEALS someone else's identity, then gets usually enough exemptions to pay very little or no taxes. and you're wondering why that person doesn't get a refund? I'm just trying to clearly understand what you're trying to say. because if that's what you're saying, that is completely moronic.
your final paragraph there makes no sense to me. you keep referring to the IRS like they are the ones allowing illegals to come into country and work, it's already been explained that that is NOT the IRS. is it possible you're talking about the INS?? INS= Immigration and Naturalization Serve. IRS= Internal Revenue Service.
I think the INS no longer exists and has been replaced by the Dept of Homeland Security.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by Pontius
you're talking here about someone who comes to the US ILLEGALLY, then STEALS someone else's identity, then gets usually enough exemptions to pay very little or no taxes. and you're wondering why that person doesn't get a refund? I'm just trying to clearly understand what you're trying to say. because if that's what you're saying, that is completely moronic.
your final paragraph there makes no sense to me. you keep referring to the IRS like they are the ones allowing illegals to come into country and work, it's already been explained that that is NOT the IRS. is it possible you're talking about the INS?? INS= Immigration and Naturalization Serve. IRS= Internal Revenue Service.
I think the INS no longer exists and has been replaced by the Dept of Homeland Security.
Yes, and you don't think the IRS is weary of that? here's my Q for the hundreth time..there's a reason why this Illegals are ALLOWED to continue with this NONSENSE and it's all about the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR.. do you think if Illegals were really taking advantage ogf the system the IRS wouldn't be all over it???
INS= immigration and Naturalization services, it does still exist,,Now the IRS is the Internal revenue services and that ny friend is the Taxes ,the Goverment, Uncle sam,the MAN..
the homeland security is a NEW Agency after 911. aka ICE they're the ones that do the raids at companies.. this guys seem like they have been chilling out lately cause i haven't heard of any raids lately... the INS still works at the border and other stations in Cali..
My point is that the IRS ,Corporate America is Allowing this NONSENSE. and it won't stop untill the grater power does something about it..

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Yes, and you don't think the IRS is weary of that? here's my Q for the hundreth time..there's a reason why this Illegals are ALLOWED to continue with this NONSENSE and it's all about the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR.. do you think if Illegals were really taking advantage ogf the system the IRS wouldn't be all over it???
INS= immigration and Naturalization services, it does still exist,,Now the IRS is the Internal revenue services and that ny friend is the Taxes ,the Goverment, Uncle sam,the MAN..
the homeland security is a NEW Agency after 911. aka ICE they're the ones that do the raids at companies.. this guys seem like they have been chilling out lately cause i haven't heard of any raids lately... the INS still works at the border and other stations in Cali..
My point is that the IRS ,Corporate America is Allowing this NONSENSE. and it won't stop untill the grater power does something about it..

the IRS is not allowing it, because they are not in a position to allow or not allow it. the president and congress are allowing. yes, it IS about money. the big businesses make a killing off the illegal immigrants so they lobby the government to give them amnesty despite the fact that they ARE costing the system 3 times more than they are putting in. this has next to nothing to do with the IRS.
and no, the INS no longer exists. it was split up under 3 agencies under Homeland Security in 2003.

 

[reefforbrains]

Money being sent back or just burned as the descretion of the one that earns it would not be taxed.
Thats presenting the same situation as saying someone who puts that money into an account would pay tax on it.....back to sqaure one with a form of income tax.

 

[aztec reef]

looks like there's a lot of loop holes, but guess what? they aren't New..
you don't think the IRS knows that? why would they even come up with this new tax form, if they weren't aware of it....or do you think we're smarter than the IRS, cause we know this and they don't?..
pontius,
I thought the IRS, the president,congress, were part of the goverment.. doesn't the goverment call the shots of the IRS.. or do you think the goverment doesn't know what the IRS is doing?
"the INS no longer exists. it was split up under 3 agencies under Homeland Security in 2003." yeah and that was after 9/11 like i said and they go by the name of "ICE"a.k.a Immigration and Customs Enforcement.. and that my friend is the INS.. it just changed it's name cause of terrorism..
the only different is that they deal with, Immigration+ Homeland security and Drugs..

 

[petjunkie]

Anyone watch Freedom vs. Fascism? Interesting movie about not having to pay taxes and how none of our income tax money goes to road, education, etc. Also how income tax is illegal, not that most people are going to stop paying anytime soon but a good movie to watch anyways.

 

[triga22]

Yea income tax is illegal. If our goverment needs money block trhe border and send the illegals back. Each illegal cost the goverment 1.3 million dollars for the lifetime they spend here. Times that by 50 million illegals you got 65,000,000,000,000.Thats alot of money. BLOCK THE BORDER!!!!

 

[reefraff]

Don't buy into the "income tax is illegal" crap. There are ways to avoid being prosecuted but the 16th amendment was ratified and unless the supreme court were to rule it unconstitutional taxes are legal.
There is a great book out called Vultures In Eagles Clothing by Lynn Meredith that is written about getting out of taxes but they go into some other governmental misdeeds that are quite interesting. Some of it is conclusions are accurate and some aren't but an interesting read just the same.

 

[triga22]

Ok but blocking the border is smart.