Away With The Irs!!!

[aztec reef]

well then they shouldn't be ALLOWED to work here in the first place..not ALL illegals get payed under the table, that's my point .plain and simple..yet is ok for them to work for a PAYCHECK like everyone is and getting taxed AUTOMATICALLY.and not get refund

Now, the ones getting pay under the table is because the OWNER happends to be a US citicizen and that's what he knows best..he knows this way is the best for the ECONOMICAL GROWTH of their company..does that make sense?
The point is that the IRS only agrees and comes out with all of this conclusions for their benefit.. Guess what the motive behind this is?? the all mighty$$$$. makes perfect sense.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
well then they shouldn't be ALLOWED to work here in the first place..not ALL illegals get payed under the table, that's my point .plain and simple..yet is ok for them to work for a PAYCHECK like everyone is and getting taxed AUTOMATICALLY.and not get refund

I think you are confused about 1. legal immigrants, 2. those here on work visas, and 3. illegal immigrants. illegal immigrants don't pay taxes and don't get refunds. they're not on the books, so no, they don't pay taxes. that is why they work in under the table businesses like farming, landscaping, and construction.

 

[nvmycj]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
ok now im confused i beleive this applies to your income as well this is what the defanition is of a flat tax
True flat tax
a true flat tax is a system of taxation where one tax rate is applied to all income with no exceptions
It wouldn't be a flat tax on your income. It's STRICTLY a 15% SALES tax of items you purchase. Your income is YOURS, tax and IRS free. What you make, you pocket.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by Pontius
I think you are confused about 1. legal immigrants, 2. those here on work visas, and 3. illegal immigrants. illegal immigrants don't pay taxes and don't get refunds. they're not on the books, so no, they don't pay taxes. that is why they work in under the table businesses like farming, landscaping, and construction.
So you're saying that all mexicans that work at barfo bell, mac donals, burger king king, carwash, janitorial services,wood mills,plastic manufacturer, and other numerous companies get pyed under the table????? or do you think those are LEGAL since they're working for a PAYCHECK??
are the owners of this landscaping and construction companies Illegals ??? whos' at fault the owner(us citizen) for not following US laws or the illegals for being ALLOWED to get a job there??
of course the IRS comes up with this solutions, think about this.. is the Economical growth rising?? yes,
was the Economy growing 10-15 years ago?? why didn't they come out with this idea 10 years ago(maybe they knew but they just didn't benefit much from it then)??? because ten years ago it didn't make sense...or what?

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
So you're saying that all mexicans that work at barfo bell, mac donals, burger king king, carwash, janitorial services,wood mills,plastic manufacturer, and other numerous companies get pyed under the table????? or do you think those are LEGAL since they're working for a PAYCHECK??
are the owners of this landscaping and construction companies Illegals ??? whos' at fault the owner(us citizen) for not following US laws or the illegals for being ALLOWED to get a job there??
of course the IRS comes up with this solutions, think about this.. is the Economical growth rising?? yes,
was the Economy growing 10-15 years ago?? why didn't they come out with this idea 10 years ago(maybe they knew but they just didn't benefit much from it then)??? because ten years ago it didn't make sense...or what?
They are only working legally if they are being paid the minimum wage and are paying income tax.
Both are at fault, the business owner is for hiring them and the illeagal aliens are for breaking into the country and not paying taxes.
The laws have been the same for years but not enforced. Whos fault is this?
The Judicial system and the Department of Homeland Security for allowing it.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
So you're saying that all mexicans that work at barfo bell, mac donals, burger king king, carwash, janitorial services,wood mills,plastic manufacturer, and other numerous companies get pyed under the table????? or do you think those are LEGAL since they're working for a PAYCHECK??
are the owners of this landscaping and construction companies Illegals ??? whos' at fault the owner(us citizen) for not following US laws or the illegals for being ALLOWED to get a job there??
of course the IRS comes up with this solutions, think about this.. is the Economical growth rising?? yes,
was the Economy growing 10-15 years ago?? why didn't they come out with this idea 10 years ago(maybe they knew but they just didn't benefit much from it then)??? because ten years ago it didn't make sense...or what?
if there are Mexicans working at fast food joints, I would guess, yes, they are either legal or on work visas. some of the owners of landscaping and construction businesses are illegal, some are just citizens hiring them illegally. some will hire a legal sub-contractor who then turns around and hires illegals that work under them so that the main contractor can't get in trouble. who's at fault? they're all to blame...the government, the employers, AND the illegals. was the economy growing 10-15 years ago? yes, it was.

 

[saltycrab]

I didnt read the entire thread so I dont know if this point was made but If this ever happened everyone would be buying their products on the internet and be dodging sales tax even if it was law. If this ever goes into effect invest heavily in UPS because their stock will probably triple.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
So you're saying that all mexicans that work at barfo bell, mac donals, burger king king, carwash, janitorial services,wood mills,plastic manufacturer, and other numerous companies get pyed under the table????? or do you think those are LEGAL since they're working for a PAYCHECK??
are the owners of this landscaping and construction companies Illegals ??? whos' at fault the owner(us citizen) for not following US laws or the illegals for being ALLOWED to get a job there??
of course the IRS comes up with this solutions, think about this.. is the Economical growth rising?? yes,
was the Economy growing 10-15 years ago?? why didn't they come out with this idea 10 years ago(maybe they knew but they just didn't benefit much from it then)??? because ten years ago it didn't make sense...or what?
Why are you trying to bring illegal immigration into this? It's not relevant.. We Americans need to establish the best tax system for ourselves. I'm so weary of policies, politics, and day-to-day live revolving around illegals.
They are illegal. Thay have no rights as Americans. They are completely irrelevant to US tax reform.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Why are you trying to bring illegal immigration into this? It's not relevant.. We Americans need to establish the best tax system for ourselves. I'm so weary of policies, politics, and day-to-day live revolving around illegals.
They are illegal. Thay have no rights as Americans. They are completely irrelevant to US tax reform.
Actually it has to do with what the IRS is about. And you guys keep bringing this Illegal problem like is the biggest issue of taxes.. please..
We have been stablishing the best tax system throught history what is your point?
you're weary? yet illegals are taking advantage of the IRS/taxes, that's not relavent?

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by Pontius
if there are Mexicans working at fast food joints, I would guess, yes, they are either legal or on work visas. some of the owners of landscaping and construction businesses are illegal, some are just citizens hiring them illegally. some will hire a legal sub-contractor who then turns around and hires illegals that work under them so that the main contractor can't get in trouble. who's at fault? they're all to blame...the government, the employers, AND the illegals. was the economy growing 10-15 years ago? yes, it was.
exactly, but Illegals don't know any better..they know that is braking the law to come here ILLEGALLY yet they do Not know it is illegal to work ILLIGALLY here. Or maybe the word doesn't get across that good..maybe it's illegal to verify documents, who knows? we can agree on that..
I can guarantee, i'll bet my paycheck on this. that only about 10% of LEGALS
are working in such joints.. and guess what they're usually supervisors,managers,head of floor crew,ect.. you will never see ANY LEGAL immigrant working in such joints would you?
So if the economy and demand was growing 10 -15 years ago then why didn't this new tax reform make any sense to the IRS back then ? can you answer that? IT doesn't seem like an Ingenus idea to me..

 

[seasalt101]

they are billegals that means they should not be here if they are they are criminals and as criminals they do not deserve anything but prison

 

[jovial]

If they know it's illeagal to be here then it stands to reason that they also know it is illeagal to be here.... and work. Not being able to read English dosent help either.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Actually it has to do with what the IRS is about. And you guys keep bringing this Illegal problem like is the biggest issue of taxes.. please..
We have been stablishing the best tax system throught history what is your point?
you're weary? yet illegals are taking advantage of the IRS/taxes, that's not relavent?
No, it's not relevant. If I get my way illegal workers in the US won't be an issue. And yes, many illegals are taking advantage of the system. More American (The majority non-taxed I'm sure) dollars are sent to families in Mexico then Mexico earns in any other industry (other then oil revenue). Illegally earned US dollars are the second highest revenue source of Mexico. So, yes, I'd say the system is being exploited.
Our tax system is good, but it's been better. The problem is that over the years taxes slowly have been added over and over. It's past time to address the issue.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
exactly, but Illegals don't know any better..they know that is braking the law to come here ILLEGALLY yet they do Not know it is illegal to work ILLIGALLY here. ..
And yet they run from authorities every time a place is raided...
They know. Come on. Like know one talks about it? Like its some big secret? They know they are breaking the law on both counts and they continue to do it.

 

[seasalt101]

no matter how you slice it illegals have nothing coming legals are fine illegals are criminals and should be treated as such, i say make a border long canal 1/2 mile wide from the pacific to the gulf ang the last 150 yards place a steel electric grid 6 inches over the water that would eliminate the problem my other plan is similar to omaha beach if you get the picture come over legally...tobin

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
no matter how you slice it illegals have nothing coming legals are fine illegals are criminals and should be treated as such, i say make a border long canal 1/2 mile wide from the pacific to the gulf ang the last 150 yards place a steel electric grid 6 inches over the water that would eliminate the problem my other plan is similar to omaha beach if you get the picture come over legally...tobin
Land mines along the border, would be a serious deterrent.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jovial
Land mines along the border, would be a serious deterrent.
Fining employers and mandatory prison time for employers is a better deterrent. All we have to do to solve the illegal immigration problem is start sending employers to jail. No jobs=no illegal immigrants.
That would save a bunch of our tax dollars too.

 

[jovial]

Probably isnt happening because there isnt enough pressure being put on legislators to do this.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Fining employers and mandatory prison time for employers is a better deterrent. All we have to do to solve the illegal immigration problem is start sending employers to jail. No jobs=no illegal immigrants.
That would save a bunch of our tax dollars too.

ok why haven't you done it??

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
And yet they run from authorities every time a place is raided...
They know. Come on. Like know one talks about it? Like its some big secret? They know they are breaking the law on both counts and they continue to do it.
come on, we all know that they DO know!! a 5 year old knows what is wrong to do also .. and what do you? do you let them keep on doing it or do you give them time out/ correct the problem?? or let them keep braking the law? if there was no Illegals working there wouldn't be no raids would there??
it doesn't take a genus to come up with that..